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post Feb 14 2014, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:20 PM)
Thanks PJusa =)

last question of the day tomorrow i will go purchase my inverter lolz
my room is 12 feet x 12 feet x 11 feet ceiling height,
room facing north, 2 adults in the room... is that 1HP is good enough? i dont want asked shop they sure said 1.5hp better cause the can earn more...
im asking them for the calculation non of them can proof that...
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Use google to search for BTU input. Some site have easy input and get the result immediately.

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post Feb 18 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 01:41 PM)
Normally ard 20 ÂșC or more...not so cold for us...but think the dryness v felt is the same....
Any diff with this..
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20c setting is very cool. If you still don't feel the cool, either your AC under capacity or cool air leaking.

Get a room thermometer and check the actual temperature. How much different between your setting.


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post Feb 18 2014, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 18 2014, 02:36 PM)
Is really individual preference. For me always like 23c.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Feb 18 2014, 02:49 PM)
I always set 23c, Nanoe G & Eco Navi function. Is it correct?
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There is no correct or not correct. If you comfort with it and don't mind the bill, that is ok. Just play with some setting what is the highest temp setting you can take. Probably you can save more bill.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 02:56 PM)
Since i only set it on for 4 o 5 hrs...its not so cool..BTW my air-con is only less than 2 month old... smile.gif
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It is not about new aircon. If you buy undersize, your aircon cannot reach the setting temp. Or cool air leaking out from some big gap. So to check the actual, you need some thermometer to compare. The setting temp and actual shouldn't run far away.

My room thermometer record at 26-27 when I set the aircon temp to 25. That I can know what is the actual room temp.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 18 2014, 03:20 PM)
OK. Guess i should get a room thermometer to check it out..BTW, any room thermometer in the electrical shop will do rite ??
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Cheap cheap lah buy at pharmacy or Watson or guardian. Electrical shop mostly sell the digital type.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 18 2014, 03:16 PM)
What is your room size?
Got 3x3x3m height?

If correct would be the original aircond really not cold enough, just look at the outside size feel like really smaller to compare York or Daikin right?

That is my exprience before from it.
So mostly I was use mid fan speed to be create very noisy for my sleep too also used 22c.
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Sorry not mind.

My room is cool enough and the aircon is alright with the size. Set 25c is the max I can take. (Before I feel hot) I need to consider to save bill also. Can't always think how cool I want.
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post Feb 18 2014, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 18 2014, 03:31 PM)
Buy already do some test. Put it into ice water see if it reach ~0c if the gauge can go up to 100c, put into boiling water, ranging somewhere 99c-101c on normal pipe water.
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My room thermometer already been place there for 16yrs. Never calibrate before. Don't no got give me wrong reading or not. Must check 1 day.
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post Feb 18 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 18 2014, 04:13 PM)
When I got the thermometer (the batang type), I usually test it, and found some have variance 2c or more. Put into ice water, can still be at +2c yawn.gif Even on RO water.
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Ice water doesn't mean you can get 0c. If I haven't complete forget, you need to add some salt into the ice to be able to lower the temp to 0c.

Wait, where is my primary science book.
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post Feb 18 2014, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 18 2014, 04:28 PM)
Salt and water impurity will make boiling water temperature higher. Freezing point will also be lower. RO be 0c at sealevel.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 18 2014, 05:10 PM)
Besides the inaccuracy issue/calibration issue,

in iced water, the "batang type" only contact with the "water section", while the ice is in solid form, so the "heat" 0C from ice may not transferred properly/entirely to the thermometer.

Ice changes phase when more than 0C aka turn into water, so when you test the water, surely it won't 0C already.
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post Feb 19 2014, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 19 2014, 10:42 AM)
You making cloud meh, won't have such problem la. Now it can select power mode, low - high. The "Leceh" part is refill water.

It does help especially you have dry cough.
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post Feb 19 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Feb 19 2014, 04:24 PM)
So meaning that i sud set higher than that like 23 - 25ÂșC ???
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Just a guideline for you. The lower the temperature, the more dry in your room. The aircon will reduce more moist. Higher temperature, more humid your room. Less moist is suck out.

So kimsim is asking you to increase the temp to 25c. So your room is more humidity. And probably solve your throat dryness.

But you may have feel hotter with increase temp. Probably you want as cool as 20c but at the same time don't lost the humidity. So that is OK just use the humidifier that you brought to increase the moist.
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post Feb 23 2014, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 23 2014, 10:44 PM)
Hi

All compressor got thier own deisgn, we can't tell can last how long.

Like ME now register online can get 10 yrs warranty for outdoor compressor and 2 yrs indoor.

Usually all compressor design really can last longer life.
The only will worm out of compressor mounting or fan motor bearing fauiled after 7 yrs usaged.

Daikin swing type compressor from them they said my design is award no one can copy.
From ME is used more common design as DC compressor or DC twin Rotary type.

Which one last longer may due to user already.
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All compressor can last over 10yrs. Unless have some quality parts issue. I even have a reciporating compressor (fridge type) convert using for generate air that last 25yrs till now.

But as age goes by, the compression will be lower and lower. As the part will wear and tear and cause some air leak over. All this part inside is metal grinding metal when turn. It use oil to lubricate. As a result, the compressor take longer time to run and cost more for bill.

Rotary have a higher eer compare reciporating type. Which now all the aircon is using it. But abit expensive than reciporating type as the manufacturing it a bit difficult. But probably better now I guess.

Swing type is improving type from rotary. But generally still a rotary type. Just tha vane side is modify.

LG have a linear type of compressor. But use for fridge. Not sure about their aircon.
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post Feb 23 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 23 2014, 11:31 PM)
in the markets they still have some Scroll type for Daikin VRIII and Sanyo aircond japan / USA markets.
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Scroll type is mainly for air compressor using in factory. And there are bigger hp. I never see it in aircon before.

Rotary is more compact with thin and longer. 2nd is reciporating which is fat but shorter. For scroll type, probably much more bigger. Because of the rotary design, it can squeeze inside the outdoor unit better. Whcih can made the outdoor unit smaller. Reciporating type is prefer for fridge because it much more shorter. Rotary cannot run by placing horizontally.
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post Feb 24 2014, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 12:06 AM)
Lol at early morning 12am still discussion an type of compressor... notworthy.gif

Back to topic, any types of compressor should be good buy as what budget you pay for.

DC Rotary or Swing Type for me is not much different.
Cause I don't have them.
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Any hr also can discuss lah.

So hardcore meh till specific what kind compressor inside aircon before can buy. As long as it have better BTU and last long. For the whole aircon, compressor is the most expensive part.
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post Feb 24 2014, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 06:12 AM)
Ya you are right.

Most of AC compressor for non inverter would be after usage 1.5 yrs and above can hear it whinning/humming noise at outdoor, if installed over bedroom outside window when sleeping can be notice it noise issue.

From DC Rotary compressor inverter had improved over the noise and vibrated issue.
They already improved with micro computer and thermometer at outdoor to tell actual temperature when in hot weather would increase high speed and after night time to be reduce for minimum speed for maintenance indoor cooling.
Then called it variable speed for inverter compressor works, should be much longer life than non inverter.

To be compare from non inverter to inverter of the rubber compressor mounting has been save.
Even blower fan motor from inverter won't be easily created much noise than non inverter unit.

At the end still what budget you pay and what you get.
Some ppls like I want pay cheap but replace in every 6 yrs for new one.

Whatever your brand and your choose is installed correct way, can given cooler to suit your room comfort then should be your right choice.

Cheers.
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Most of the sound is come from the blower fan. Compressor itself is run very quite. Specially rotary type. Recipor type have more vibration due to the way it design. While rotary is run in eccentric way which less vibrate. But all this require a good quality compressor. It can further reduce the vibrate with the rubber damper at the compressor leg. I don't no what brand that make good compressor now. The pioneer and best is Panasonic for their rotary. Hitachi also produce compressor at their bangi factory.

For how a compressor vibrate and noise.... ehh... lazy to explain. It very technical and long explain. Boring to read also for ppl here. biggrin.gif

Not sure which brand have actual DC rotary compressor. But most of the so call DC rotary is actually a AC compressor with DC inverter. The inverter is convert AC to DC to variable frequency than back to AC.

I won't place the outdoor unit opposite the wall. It
1) damage the look of the house. Freaking ugly pipe and wire spoil the house design and look like a factory.
2) noise and vibration that transfer through the wall an window. I can't sleep with it. Even how low the outdoor unit noise.
I place it far away at the water tank roof top side.
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post Feb 24 2014, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 10:00 AM)
My answer after place with DC inverter has been solved out whinning/humming noise at all smile.gif
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I don't no inverter or non inverter have any loud sound coming out or not. Cause all the while, the outdoor unit place far away back from my room. It superb peace without the noise.




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post Feb 24 2014, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 10:20 AM)
If your house are "big" for most single storey Terrance house won't be so lucky like you.

Either in front of car porch or at the back yard.
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My house is not big really. About 1000sqf. I hate big house and am poor guy. sad.gif

It is about how creative you hide and place something. If you know about the "character" of the aircon.
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post Feb 24 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 10:50 AM)
Ok you got ur point..
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Some discussion and debate only. Don't worry about it.

Just my 2sen bullshit only. Ha.... biggrin.gif

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post Feb 24 2014, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 24 2014, 12:30 PM)
Go for Mitsubishi electric inverter got easy clean, in future you should thanks me.
Now you still new dunno how dusty on blower after usage it long term
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Agree. Mitsubishi have a best easy clean aircon. Specially the blower side. Why others brand can't design something like Mitsubishi? hmm.gif

It take time to dismantle the flip and clean the blower. Difficult to reach the blower also.

I will get the Mitsubishi aircon for my next change.

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