Hey guys, want to know what are some of your thoughts regarding driving diesel powered vehicles. May it be the Ford Focus TDCI, BMW 320d, Peugeot, the pickup trucks, etc, etc.

need to q long long to pump or not??

I ticked on "No I'm unsure about its reliability". Other factors that may come into play:-

1) Most diesel powered vehicles are in the higher priced bracket, not many choices.

2) Price of diesel close to RON95, not too much of a difference

3) I notice usually there are more spills at the floor of diesel pumps, overall slightly less clean than petrol pumps. Since most diesel users are large trucks and lorries.

4) Occassionally there are quotas for diesel usage at petrol stations. Sometimes diesel are unavailable. Limited to RM50 per vehicle.

Yes, sometimes there are queues, especially by large trucks or lorries if the petrol station is on a highway.

I've owned a diesel before, and drove several modern diesels. Not in Malaysia though. But yeah, I'm fine with it.

I'm okay driving a diesel car but not when refilling it at the station. It's not only the floor that is tainted with strong diesel smell due to the lorry or truck drivers in a hurry(usually less careful or considerate than common passenger vehicles), but the handle of the pump as well. It's usually oily when you touch it. Fortunately, we have a driver on our trips with diesel-powered cars.

My impression on Diesel is noisy and smelly. Don't feel right with it

On a bad day, especially on the North South highway, yes. At one point of time there are 3 to 4 large trucks or tankers queuing up with our (small) SUV, everyone fighting for the station. And usually the large trucks will take quite some time to fill up, so yeah, there is some tension build-up when many vehicles are "Fighting" for one or two diesel pump stations.

Highway stations maybe yes but never experienced before for stations around the city. Generally, Petronas pumps around PJ/Bangsar area have low traffic.


General public perception on diesel-powered cars is noisy, smelly & dirty but once I show em my monthly diesel bills & distance covered (700-800km 100% city driving OR 1000 100% highway driving, both for a 60L tank or RM120 per full tank) which can match or even better a hybrid plus the torque that can outrun most if not all hybrids anytime, they are impressed.

This post has been edited by teikwing: Dec 9 2013, 01:14 PM

I been thinking to get a used unit of Ford Focus TDCI for quite sometime. Resale value remains good at 85-90K for a 2010 unit. Still ain't sure on how the aftersales from Ford Mysia thought.

why not?
power, reliability and FC all also have
long run, definitely save money because low FC

but there are ppl that still prefer petrol for NO REASON AT ALL
for example theres a customer that i serve...he wanted a X6...since i only have diesel available...showed him that
he asked me which is better..i STRONGLY recommend diesel...he STRONGLY want petrol...just because he say diesel is noisy....what to do...haizzzz

So often when I pump petrol I'll see the sign: "diesel habis"...

So really have to been aware if you are driving a diesel car?

I let my wife drove my Diesel SUV, yes its a bit dirty.. and sometimes the quota towards end of the month finished.. but the savings that she had compare to my own usage daily driven petrol car is more that enough to make my experience with diesel car nicer. ....

Oh did i mention VGT? .........

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Dec 9 2013, 02:04 PM

waiting Honda's new engine I-DTEC. Not sure Malaysian G's will bring in or not.

You don't have experience with new diesels, do you?

VW diesels are a bit noisy, but they pack quite a punch and are very frugal. Ford isn't so noisy. BMW etc. will be rather hard to distinguish probably.

i'm not sure abt other car
but in BMW...they have a weird design on the fuel hole that its smaller than our nozzle
so it will not fully enter and u cannot pump full throttle
only way it to remove the "gate"

1. After 25th each month difficult pump diesel due to "Quota" habis
2. Malaysia's diesel is... shit. Still using Euro 2.5 whereas people using Euro 5/6.

The top 2 concern for me. Otherwise its all good.

I'm ok with diesel but only turbo diesels not NA diesels. Many years back, my family used to own a Wira 2.0D . It spews black smoke like nobody's business ala counter strike flash bang. Very frugal on fuel though. That one I agree.

That's true. Those higher priced cars often come with a large cc petrol engine equivalent and they often come with smaller diesel engine as options.

For me personally I think diesel is not suited for smaller sedan cars. For bigger and heavier SUVs / MPVs, yes they are beneficial in terms of power and torque you get from a smaller engine.

Yup. That is very unfortunate. I'm a new diesel user and with the little experience and observation I have, the bigger stations even have diesel pumps alongside the RON 95 / RON 97 pumps. In that way, mostly diesel powered private cars / SUVs will use it unlike the outside one that is usually reserved for bigger lorries.

If you see this sign occasionally at the pump station around your area, then by all means don't drive a diesel.

A full tank of diesel will most of the time outlast the longest highway stretch in Malaysia.

+1

I believe I read an article somewhere that hybrids are not environmental friendly at all. If you factor in the waste generated during production of the batteries, the notoriously gas-guzzling Hummer is actually greener than the Prius. Also, not to mention the disposal of these batteries. Sometimes when I think about hybrid, automatically Lynas comes into the picture.

Diesel fuel is Malaysia is not the cleanest. I believe the continental cars still have problems handling our diesel and that is probably why diesel cars as a general get a bad reputation.

Well, when a person can afford the X6, saving fuel is not on his top priority.

If you see this sign occasionally at the pump station around your area, then by all means don't drive a diesel.

VGT for the win !


This post has been edited by jchue73: Dec 9 2013, 03:21 PM

I believe it is designed that way as a safety feature so that it is impossible for you to put in the larger petrol pump
nozzle into your diesel tank.

Don't know how much the government will subsidise the EURO 5/6 diesel but when it comes, are we willing to pay the price somewhere close to RON 97 pricing?

Yes to turbo diesel.

My friend's family had a BMW diesel, a 5-series forgot specifically which model. Being a BMW the car of course looks rightfully luxurious and upmarket.....until my friend start the engine and the loud diesel clatter can be heart 4 houses away

Anyway, I don't mind owning a diesel car but my biggest doubt is still the local diesel quality and availability.

INternational prices for RON97 and Diesel is still quite far apart. I dont see how a Euro 5 diesel can be same price as RON97.

Lets take Shell prices in Singapore as an example.

RON98 : SGD 2.31
Euro 5 Diesel : SGD 1.68

Price of RON98 is 37.4% higher then Euro 5 Diesel.

This post has been edited by MeToo: Dec 9 2013, 03:39 PM

it was not a brand new car....its a recon
he asked for my opinion which is better.....i recommend diesel but he dn't wanna listen...so no choice
and BTW...all of the diesel car in our country are RM100k and up also

IMO, its a pain in the ass
u have to pump real slow...if any faster, it will spill
if full tank will take u a long long time

Actually initially I had that issue but when I learned from the other diesel owners, there is a way to actually slot it in correctly so that the diesel doesn't spill out. Most of the time it means slotting in the pump at a slanted angle so that it can enter in correctly.

imma try next time..... ...see if it works
thx for the tip
PS am not very tall

Hahaha don't need to be tall, when I meant angle, normally the angle we put it in is that the handle will be pointing downwards as normal. Try rotating it clockwise and try to slow push it in, you might find the right angle putting it in.

So, if the hose is bigger then the hole... u need to rotate it around, and find an upside down angle to push it in?

Yeah, noise clatter is one thing but I hate the sour diesel smell in the morning when you start up the car.

I am aware that their prices are far apart. Going by that logic, our diesel price should be much cheaper than RON 95 but they are not. That is why I mention I'm not sure how much the government will subsidise the EURO 5/6 diesel. If going by current strategy for diesel pricing which the EURO 2.5 diesel prices almost similar to RON 95, I bet the price of the EURO 5/6 diesel will be somewhere between RON 95 RON 97. I'm sure the government will still keep the EURO 2.5 diesel for lorries and the higher grade diesel EURO 5 diesel (if they come) for SUVs / cars.

Oh, ok. If I were buying a recon car, I would also personally avoid diesel too since the diesel engine is not tuned to our crappy diesel.

Learn something new today.

I have both diesel and petrol cars.... I love the diesel!!

the only complain I have is it's like what most ppl said, dirty at gas stations.... this is mainly due to the fact diesel is similar to cooking oil... it doesn't evaporate..... hence that dirty, oily stain....

getting a petrol worries me even more
look at mudah...10/10 car sold is petrol and is only 2-4 years old

I also got recond turbo diesel.. so far no issues but mechanic says have to service more often. Noise acceptable coz nvh quite good.. personally, I like the macho growl of a diesel engine.. But I always joke and tell ppl I drive lorry.. as long as I ok, don't care what other ppl think

The Amount of Torque....

This post has been edited by 2JayZ: Dec 9 2013, 04:37 PM

Oh no. What would people say next? Your car runs on minyak masak?

Now if they can only make the turbo diesel as responsive as a petrol, I would be all happy. Perhaps the chip is the ticket.

Getting from mudah is a no no for me to begin with.

Yeah. As long as the driver and passengers feel good, it's fine by me.

Speaking about Hyundai, they are strict about the 5k service intervals. They warned me again before officially handing me the keys.

is ADDICTIVE !

And not to forget giving ppl behind us a WTF face when we pulling away faster than them in a black smoke thanks to our EURO2 diesel grade

Drove to Siam before and pump their PTT euro4 diesel, no more black soot @ the back of the exhaust tip.. also regained the lost Horsepower..

Not sure how true is this but Euro 4 diesel is coming to our shores in 2015
http://www.cbt.com.my/2013/12/09/euro-4-di...sumers-in-2015/

@travis_ckf: Yeah. That's their plan... FOR NOW. They talk a lot when the day is long, what will happen in the end is anyone's guess. Haven't they planned to introduce Euro 4 diesel before? Did it come? Nah. Why should it be any different this time?

2015 is taking too long....

If it's planned in 2015, chances are likely that it would be in 2016, or later.

Not really pulling away 'faster' situation for me, But I have to endure the black smoke at the back. I wud have a WTF face if the car infront black smoke me....often a pickup and inside me would often curse niama ....thinking that buy car but dono how to maintain...or old car mentality....if it black smoke behind me then I don't k but not in front of me....I would slow slow down to wait the black smoke disperse to the air.

inb4 Prodigy - Diesel Power

and take a warning on your way out.. this is not /k.

YOu have a better chance of Malaysia becoming a Developed Nation by 2020.......

They been setting target and 'talking' about it for way too long...

Anyway, I heard form my frens in the oil majors, they are actualyl bringing in Euro 4 diesel for the time being, due to a shortage of Euro 2.5 diesel in the market.

This post has been edited by MeToo: Dec 9 2013, 06:05 PM

Agreed with you , Diesel engine have higher fuel efficiency compare to a Petrol/Gasoline engine , they convert more power from fuel and less heat was wasted as most of them are turbocharged .

U driving a F10 520D is it ? I drove one too , it's way more fun than driving a hybrid with a FC even better than hybrid . It has its huge torque developed low down at the rev range and there is power & torque everywhere in the rev range .

getting a petrol is a NO NO for me either

and i'm fine with 5k service interval actually..its better
the more often u check and change the fluids in your car...the better
and 5k...u can push it to 7k...i did it to mine all along
money saving and better for the car

No, if the nozzle is larger than the hole, you are at the wrong kiosk. Those are meant for lorries and trucks. Different compared to those meant for smaller vehicles.

You just need to remove the Diesel Particulate Filter which most recon diesel cars come with.

Highly doubt that, the only refineries which will start mass refining the Euro grade 4/5 diesels are expected to be at Pengerang in Johor (by PETRONAS). The final investment decision for the RAPID project is only due next year and after factoring in the time for construction and built up and deployment across Malaysia, we are easily looking at 2016 at the very earliest or 2017/2018 hopefully.

Whoa.... u actually have to remove the particulate filter so our diesel can run properly without clogging things up...

Just how BAD is our Euro 2.5

Every end of the month hard to find diesel.
That's the problem

Hyundai is strict about sticking to 5k service intervals + / - 10%. I think 7k would ask for trouble in voiding warranty. Not worth for them to find excuse to void warranty.

I'm told the Santa Fe's R2.2 CRDi engine does not come with DPF. Are the new Mercs, Bimmers and Audis diesel powered cars don't come with DPF also?

E90 320d. Same N47 engine as your F10.

Coming from a petrol NA 2.5L car, I have no qualms or complains whatsover after getting a diesel. I saved much more in terms of fuel expenditure, gets much more fun driving and pulling away from traffic with the immense amount of the torque & generally lower maintenance (no spark plugs, fully syn engine oil serviced every 7k km, fuel filter every 40k km & generally bullet-proof engine).

Hence I would say for someone with a budget to get a car which has an option between petrol (turbo or NA) and diesel, I don't see a reason why not to get the diesel. Diesel being dirty & the clatter is only a very minor issues which are outweighted by various benefits of a diesel.

my advice
service at SC..follow their regulation for the 1st year or 20k KM
thn u can use your own oil...particularly delo gold...should be good until 7k

i use delo gold on my petrol car up to 10k. ppl say me insane
i just smile back, lazy to explain to them

petrol..i'm using liqui moly
damn long lasting as well

Thanks for the tip. Petrol I don't mind but with diesel I rather go 5k intervals even after free service or warranty. Turbo engine some more. With the dirty diesel, I prefer to have the oil changed and flushed more frequently. No good keeping all that dirty soot cycled in the engine.

Just wonder if any of you using any sort of cleaner additive into the diesel in regular maintenance basis? To prolong the injector life (for example)...?

Pickup truck, the rear bumper tested and proven to be wira-proof

i dont own diesel cars but i drove few of the diesel cars. What i like the most is the torque come early in lower RPM compare to petrol engine, i dont like revving engines. Besides that, i drove my friend's old Corona diesel engine which has similar FC to kelisa or sometime near viva 1.0.

I've never owned a diesel car before and I used to hate diesel cars, coz have only driven those in crappy Isuzu MPVs long time ago which were loud, slow, and vibrating like hell. But it seems the technology has gone way ahead and gets better, so maybe, who knows I might own one when I'm an old grandpa. For now, gasoline engine is still what I prefer.

Been driving my mates E90 325 2.5 inline-6 gasoline before , felt that the 320d is more fun to drive around the city ,the feel of torque rush from it just cant get it on a 325 , even its 500cc larger & have another 2 cylinder ...

The downside of a 320d i think just the clattering when at idle . when its working hard ,its actually sound quite good too .

The Triton/Pajero Sport 2.5 VGT is a good diesel car too , with the Variable Geometry Turbo it just pulls anywhere on the rev range , its a really fun car to drive too ...

The next car i would buy for a DD , i would choose a TurboDiesel vehicle too

This post has been edited by Wilson13B: Dec 10 2013, 07:19 AM

absolutely, they are much more relaxing to drive, longer mileage

Currently driving a Ford Focus TDCI, great torque, great FC =) no problem getting diesel so far

time to service my diesel car this friday... do you guys add any addictive or cleaner? my service center uses Shell oil which I heard heard is not as good.....

Does Hyundai allow you to bring your own oil?

Interesting article here.
http://green.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/diese...-cancer-deaths/

i have no idea... i doubt it though.....

shell/petronas are as usual garbage oil despite good "grade"
i use my liqui moly SL also better than shell/petronas's SM/SN
diesel just use delo gold

Read a few articles about this Diesel Particulate Filter.

It's not so easy just to remove it right, as the fuel map etc may need to be re-adapted.

And from all diesel heads here, is it good or bad to have the DPF removed ? Let say if we have Euro 4 diesel in MY. I know now we have no choice but to remove it.

Its bad for the environment to remove it when you have Euro 4 fuel.

But you have no issues when pumping in Euro4 fuel without the DPF. A number of diesel heads in Singapore have done that as well as those from the North who try out V-Power Diesel in Thailand.

DPF is not necessary to be removed if Euro4 fuel is used, all modern DPF have a regen function where they can burn off the collected soot after a certain number of operating hours.

Euro2 is problem because the amount is more than the regen can handle hence that's why some cars have it removed when sent here

if the price of the car is cheap aka half price ill go for diesel car else big nono

but diesel cheaper and drive longer

duncare... just want cheap price car

lol cheap car but at rm4 per litre is of no use bro, cost of buying is once, cost of running is forever

No problem with driving a diesel car, but will hesitate to buy one, unless willing to tanggung 40-50k/year depreciation for the first 1-3 years.... Have a look at the 2010-2012 E90 320d second hand price. Mind you, that's market price, second hand car dealers will pay 8-15k less for it.

This post has been edited by landlily98: Dec 11 2013, 01:38 PM

Very good points brought up here, so I see even though there is a majority of 75% that say it is ok, but most of the cases, the price of the car/vehicle is high (can't find a new diesel car for <RM100k) as well as the low depreciation rate.

Heard from a friend which drive a Golf MK5 GTD at Europe before , the DPF things require a fluid top up around 30K Kms or so and the fluid are quite expensive .

i personally doesn't seen a Diesel car with that system in Malaysia before .

Actually Diesel engine are far cleaner than a Petrol counterparts as it produce little to no NOx , the only problem is the unburnt particles known as black soot so the DPF is there for this matter .

LOL ... bought a Pajero MK1 with 2.5 Turbo Diesel , cost around 20K nowadays only , if u get one with Green Diesel the roadtax are cheaper aswell

If performance is what you are after, you don't want a diesel. some people here don't even know what they are talking about apart from reading spec sheets. Diesel cars do not outrun people in highways, if a 50m stretch of city drag race is considered a race, yes, you can "smoke" people.

diesels are great for HIGHWAY, you get great FC, on par with hybrid really. Not on City. RM120 for 600km 100% city is NOTHING compared to a hybrid. Proper hybrid like HSD can do 600km in half the price. Another example of ignorant posting

Basically diesels are great for city drive with the torque, trying to challenge other petrol heads in a long stretch road is just pure ignorant of your own car. But FC wise diesel are much better at highway, while city is nothing to shout about really.

Don't believe what i posted? feel free to clarify via Mr Google.

I believe diesel engine will be the big thing based on the current trend on pickup trucks over here at east coast of Sabah.

The aftermarket performance parts from Thailand for 4x4 is selling like hot cakes and the power it produces really baffles my mind. Just a few thousand ringgit & 200+hp is ready for your disposal yet the auto gbox able to withstand even higher hp.

Does hybrid have that kinda torque nowadays? Never driven one before. . Maybe wi'll try the next time they bring in 4x4 hybrid.. But 4x4 hybrid just sounds weird right now

First thing first, let's not make this a diesel vs petrol vs hybrid bashing thread.

Diesel ain't perfect. I believe most who are driving a diesel are not looking at pure performance but more of a balance between power & FC ie. fun to drive & yet returns decent FC as for a petrol to offer such "fun", one mostly likely will not be able to enjoy such FC. Any petrol or hybrid offers 6-7L/100km FC with 184bhp/380Nm of fun?

For mixed city/highway driving, an example of how diesel has much better FC compared to a hybrid:

http://a6hybrid.forumms.net/t34p15-latest-fuel-consumption

Most clocked 8-9L/100km while the similar class BMW 520d clocks about 7L/100km on average. No idea on HSD systems, maybe you can highlight a few to share?

Any car offers great FC for highway so long that you drives in behaved manner, be it petrol, diesel or hybrid.

Depends on how you define outrun. Most diesels have their torque available from 1.7-3.8k rpm which are very much useful in terms of overtaking on highways or for a short sprint, should one feels adventurous.

Here's some reading for those interested to know more about modern day diesels (mostly reviews):

http://jalopnik.com/how-i-annihilated-the-...-got-1188783507

http://jalopnik.com/2014-bmw-535d-the-jalo...view-1466759461

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-diesel-truck-b...supra-464851791

Very balanced review for Jetta of all variants (petrol vs hybrid vs diesel) and how the TDI gpt a very slim margin over the hybrid in the FC test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/20...li-vs-25-review

Ad-blue is there to reduce Nox emissions probably because the engine is only rated to euro4 but emissions require euro5 already, so without having to change a new car, manufacturers install this treatment system to cope as stop gap while they develop new engine to meet euro5.

like the skyactiv 2.2 diesel, they already got it euro5 or 6 maybe even but can do away with the ad blue because it meets the emissions standard already

my issue with hybrids is, you have to adjust your driving in order to meet the claimed fuel consumption, meaning you always have to be aware of not accelarating too hard, concentrating on all those lights and bars and what not.

a diesel is itself inherently efficient already, even if you dont pay too much attention to driving style you'll still enjoy savings and when you do put your foot down it doesnt get all screamy at you that you're killing trees, choking the world etc etc , flashing angry lights and graphs until you slow down

anybody here added tuning box(racechip, dtuk, vector, etc) to their diesel engine? apparently can gain quite alot of power.... but was told that may cause black smoke when we floor it.....

I am so glad to see that so far the discussion has been mature and informative. I will post my (longer) reply when I have the time later to answer a few queries that was raised for me.

My number one pet peeve.

I test drove the CRZ, and was blown away by how (under) power the car is. When i put it to "Economy" I thought the car broke down and is not moving... until the sale person nodded sagely and said "Memang macam ini, tak ada power".

If I have to drive liek that to get xyxKM/liter..... then give me the smog producing tree killing diesel any day.

Even without the tuning boxes when you put the pedal to the medal, you get black smoke coming out of the exhaust. It is the typical characteristic of the diesel engine.

1) Yup totally agreed, the cars with the larger CC petrol engines will outrun the diesels because the diesel engines will then run out of breath. They call it the PME syndrome.

2) Actually it is RM120 for 750km 100% city driving. Still less than the Hybrid but without the fun of the torque pull.

3) Long stretch flat road, yes, the car with more horsepower will usually fly away. But on a hill climb, the torque from the diesel does play a very important role and help them out.

Its a given as usually petrol cars comes with higher HP if cc being equal. But, how fast we wanna go on the highway? I usually dont push anything above 220.... if someone still coming at those speed i wont bother to push anymore, why bother push to 230/240/250... sure u can go... but the safety/risk ratio just went thru the roof.

So reckon anything above 200kmh is kinda a moot point.

oh ok... I've not noticed black smoke on mine(from the rear view mirror) yet..... maybe coz it's still new.....

Highways aren't the best place to test that. I notice that a lot more on the track, after turns 14 and turns 15 in Sepang.

I aint bringing a pickup to sepang lol!

I'll just use it for spewing black smoke at the car behind, shining my headlights into the car infront, and generally bullying smaller cars on the road