More money wasted....

wonder what is the toll rate? If I'm from Denai Alam going towards Midvalley using penchala link then sprint hwy. I think my toll per way almost RM10. How to sustain this kind of life in malaysia?

Let me guess, awarded by direct tender again?

go mid valley with dash, penchala link and sprint was a waste. unless you really want to beat the traffic jam.

the good thing is from denai alam to penchala link only need 1 dash toll, so i think around rm7

yup... beat the jam. Time is money mah.... woh... but use too much money to buy time.

do you mind to share what is your current routine path, time (go and back) and duration?

I notice there is two toll plaza according to the map.
one for RRIM and the other one for mutiara damansara. Have they change the plan ?

But 1 toll rm7 ???

according to study, the design was 2+1 toll, means max only 2 toll.
of course this may change.
from the plan, denai alam toll and mutiara toll was must (means that max from u10)
PRIM toll only paid for exit persiaran surian, jalan sungai buloh and jalan lapangan subang, plus kwasa damansara too.

i just estimate the cost by multiply twice for penchala link rm2, kerinchi link rm1.5 = rm3.5 ~15km

Highway will promote car usage, car usage will go up, traffic jams will not be reduce.

MRT/LRT/Whatever will promote public transport usage, car usage will go down, traffic jam can be reduce.

i think the contributor towards car usage is cheap gas, despite our expensive car price, our petrol is 7th cheapest in the world.

SUKE SUKE, saya SUKE lah ada banyak highway ni

Cheap gas or not, there are lot of place not reachable by public transport, too much of a hassle (switching LRT/bus many times) or just plain slow (traffic jam). Alot of people drive to work it is neccessity, not luxury.

This post has been edited by kalandra: Dec 3 2013, 04:10 PM

it is a catch 22. take bus transportation for example, the cause of inconsistent schedule is because buses get stuck in traffic jams. even if Rapid adds more buses, the problem only gets compounded as more buses contribute to the jam. due to inconsistent schedule, less people take public transport, especially since we have cheap petrol. and that means rapid is less likely to add new routes cause demand isn't there.

i think luxury is a significant part why people drive. in developed countries, white collar workers waking at 5AM is normal because they need to take the early bus. in malaysia some ppl do enjoy luxury of waking up after 7-8 and still making it to their office cause they can use their cars.

in any case, I don't think highways contribute to the problem when it can be used for BRT (e.g. bus only lane).

This post has been edited by coolsarawak: Dec 3 2013, 04:46 PM

turun rumah, can go straight to sg besi and go to johor..err, why the heck I wanna go to johor?

If public transport is sufficient to take you from point A to point B, driving is a luxury. I know plenty of friends who drive because they have to, not because they don't want to take public transport. And alot of them try leave early, example : leaving home before 6.30am and reaching office at 7.15am even when work start at 8.30am to avoid the traffic jam.

I know ppl who work near lrt station tat stillddrive. I know couple of folks who stop carpooling cause no flexibility, tho arrangement is functional

I dun think there are only 1 group. Some drive for luxury while others drive for necessity. Which 1 bigger can be debated. But if u can encourage the luxury drivers to use public ( e.g. PR is talking about state funded free bus tickets like GO KL as an incentive), then there will be demand increase for more public transport (e.g. rapid increase more bus and routes) which hopefully will get more of the necessity drivers using public as well (e.g. since more routes, they can functionally use buses)

This post has been edited by coolsarawak: Dec 4 2013, 11:14 AM

Oh you mean 2 ways in total rm7. I thought one toll one way rm7

In this case from denai alam to kl city is not going to be cheap then.

one way la, brother

penchala link rm2
kerinchi link rm1.5

so i estimate rm3.5 for the dash highway (2 dash toll) *based on current gce rate too

of course from denai alam only 1 toll

This post has been edited by elmond: Dec 4 2013, 12:41 PM