Yup, some of my friends also take E&E. INTI has two types, one is 2+2. another one is 2+1. for the first route u have more choices. more UK and australia universities u can apply to include the famous one. but for the second one u only can apply to three universities in UK if i'm not mistaken. that u have to check with inti for the degree program. for my 2+2, two years is about 18K~19k. for 3+1 one i'm not sure

working, i heard most of my senior said so far so good. easier to find compare to other country. but some say different word . so need experience people to tell us

This post has been edited by kelvinbongcn: Jul 9 2006, 02:27 PM

18k ~ 19K ?
cost for the 1st 2 years in malaysia ?
if i take 3+1 degree programme, how much it's gonna cost me at the oversea? ( tuituion fees,visa, cost of living and everything)

Yeah. But the average per lectures will vary because some are not from engineering course. For example, one of my subject consists of E&E, Mobile Comm. and Aerospace students (if I'm not mistaken). So, will sum up to hundreds of students per lecture. I heard that there are at least 350~400 students in Law lectures . Could be more too.

I think that one is called bursary. Some of universities offer that to attract more student to study in their university.

Yes. I agree on this. Immigration authorities are quite strict on those who are first time in UK. They worried that some are there to work instead of study. Therefore, you need to show the amount of money you have when you are at Immigration department. And not to forget the accomodation contract too.

Note : I've seen Immigration authorities hold up a student because he did not produce sufficient evidences to show that he is there for study purposes. Or perhaps, Immigration department is not convinced that he is there to further his studies. Not only that, Immigration officers facing difficulties in conversation with him. Probably, he can't really speak English . In the end, they (the autorities) decided to hold him up and interrogate him further. I'm not sure what happen to him after that.

Yes, you can. But chances of landing a job (Electronic Engineer) there is quite slim provided you have a darn good results. It is down to hard work.

1 year tuition fees = �11,000 (or less. It varies on where you are studying)
Accomodation = �3,000 (reasonable place includes electricity and gas bills)
Food = �2,500 (also depends what you eat, where you eat. If you cook, it is cheaper)

The cost above is rough estimation. Could go more or less.


This post has been edited by goliath: Jul 9 2006, 04:05 PM

how if i work there to support myself? how much cost that i can cover by myself?
means that my family jz need to pay for the tuition fees only?

Science and engineering graduates are allowed to stay back a year to do an internship or whatever. However, once the one year is up, you MUST leave the country unless a company sponsors your work permit.

No, it is not easy to get a job in the UK. In order to get a work permit, your employer must submit evidence that you are the only one suitable for the job, you are the only one qualified for the job. Mind you, it is not an easy process. Why?

Firstly, you're an international which means there mustn't be a local or an EU citizen suitable for the job in order for you to be hired. You can be sure that there will be locals and EU citizens who are exactly like you or better than you. So why you?
Secondly, you're not the only international student in let's say Sheffield. There are lots of international students who are intellectually your equal and there are many who are smarter than you too. So why you?
Thirdly, Sheffield is a good university, but when we consider other universities, in the same league as Sheffield and a league above Sheffield, you sure get one darn big group of capable internationals, locals and EU citizens. So why you?

Like it or not, some companies are prestige conscious and only go for famous universities. In the UK, the famous ones are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial, LSE, UCL, King's and a few more. If you're not from one of the above, you will find it hard to make it into the shortlist.



It won't hurt you if you display some resourcefulness. Don't you know that there is something called 'the homepage of the university'?

As a guide, expect fees to be roughly GBP11k-9k per year for an engineering degree at charter universities. Living cost, GBP500-600 a month outside London. To be safe, have at least RM120k-100k per year.

This post has been edited by feynman: Jul 9 2006, 06:44 PM

part time......You can only work 20 hours a week during term time. However, it is unlikely that you're able to work 20 hours a week. Don't you need to study? Don't you need to attend classes? Your classes start at 9 and ends at 5 or the earliest 3, do you go straight to work after that? No assignments? No projects? Weekends? Are you going to work for the whole day, don't need to clean your room? cook? study? Won't you be tired since your weekdays last from 9am to 9pm?
You should be proud of yourself if you can complete 10 hours.

I think the minimum pay per hour is GBP7 or so.

This post has been edited by feynman: Jul 9 2006, 04:52 PM

thx dude...

ya this only for the tuition fees not include living cost. recently i not sure the tuition fee have any change or not u can check from them. Btw, where are u studying now?

tarc.. 2nd year diploma in electronic engineering... gonna change to other college/uni after finishing this course...

so, any recommendations?

Cheh...when I log on and saw so many replies, I tot there were more tips and stuff...tengok-tengok, doesn't apply to me.

yeahs4.1, tumpang thread ka? I think it would be better if u created a new thread with the appropriate title so more ppl can help u out.



This post has been edited by Silent_scream: Jul 10 2006, 10:26 AM

i tried this before, but somehow the topic is moved to engineering site.. the response also not so good le... sorry lo~

Lecturers don't really care if you attend class or not. They're not even bothered if you don't hand in your assignments. At the end of the day, your future is in your hands.

If you need help, ask. You can ask questions in class, after class, in their office, or even email them. I find that they will always try to help you. If you don't understand their explanation, they will try a different approach, or even call another lecturer.

Books are gonna be expensive. My computing books were on average 40 quid a pop. While the uni library is adequate, it's best if you have access to the departmental library. Befriend PhD students, there are times they'll be marking your papers. I find it's easier to talk to them about my mistakes.

If you're doing a science based subject, make sure you don't miss your lab sessions. Skip all your classes if you like, but don't miss your labs.

Keep your private info private. Don't leave your passport or debit card laying around. Make sure you destroy all your bank statements / bills. If you're moving, make sure all your bills / statements move with you. You don't wanna know what people are capable of...

is it photocopy service is allowed in the library since the books are so expensive? and will we need to do a lot of printing job there? (like print out the assignment and project). Thus, u guys advice is we better buy a printer there or bring from here or pay for the printing service at UK? how much will usually a piece of paper cost? Thanks

This post has been edited by kelvinbongcn: Jul 11 2006, 04:04 PM

No, it's illegal to photocopy book (under the right way) so don't go to a photocopy shop asking them to photocopy a book for you.

You can buy a printer there, but make sure the model is available in both Malaysia and Europe (and not the Europe version) since you can get alot of cheaper inks in Malaysia. Believe it or not, the ink for my printer cost me 30GBP each set (okay I admit, I got the Europe version printer >_> )

I forgotten the price, but one whole stack should be 3 - 4 GBP (depending on quality). As for the printing service, it's 6p for b/w and 12p I think, for color.

Lastly, yes, you need to do alot of printing.

ahhh... printing.

here's a tip on bringing ur own stuff to the UK. u must have a study visa of over a year to do this. pack all ur stuff (printer, ink, PC whatever) into one of fedex's package-box. ask someone to send it after u've settled down in the UK.

UK customs will hold ur package in gatwick. make sure to have ur contact number and email when u send the package. they will contact u in order to release ur package. they will say they're going to impose tax charges on the imported goods.

however, u tell them that u're a student, and just moved to this country, and those are ur personal stuff for studying. they will then send u a form which u'll need to fill. declare everything as personal/private USED stuff. then u'll need to go to ur university's help desk and request a letter proving that u've just registered to that university. send the completed form and the letter back to fedex in gatwick.

after a few hours of processing, the package will be in ur hands probably the next day.



inks are expensive. printers are fairly cheap. and there are virtually no immitatiions here. u buy everything original. what i did was i packed RM200 worth of inks (do check the expiry date!) when i sent my package here. they didnt even bothered to open/check the package, so all my ikan bilis and belacan was safe as well

AFAIK, ikan bilis and belacan don't go well now. Just a joke here, my friend tried bringing some of those stuff in at Manchester and the sniff dog followed his luggage all the way while he was trying to "shoo" away the dog. It was a funny sight.

Most of phd students in my course are Malaysians . Friendly yet helpful. And yes, they mark out papers at times.

I agree with that. Never skip a lab session because it is important (for those who are doing engineering). Marks will be given for lab practicals. If possibe, don't miss tutorials too because you could ask all your doubts there. Heck, don't ponteng at all la!!

Photocopy a book = ILLEGAL

To print a A4 paper, it cost �0.05. So, if you need to print a thesis, lab reports or past year question papers, then it is better to get your own printer. You'll save more. I bought an el-cheapo printer in Sheffield for �25~�30. But it didn't last long because of the print head . On the second trip, I decided to bring along a portable printer (small as in it could be put into my backpack) with few packs of ink catridges (black > colour)

Haha . I brought 1 kg of ikan bilis last time (last year in fact). I split it into 2 packaging and double seal it. On top of that, wrap up another layer with one piece of paper. I guess it is safe then. There was once they stopped me because I went there during SARS outbreak or tsunami incident. They have to check my luggages for virus detection . I was more worried of my ciggies coz I brought extra .

Note : Bring extra ciggies at your own risk!! If you get caught, you'll get blacklisted (in the sense that you'll be stopped each time you enter UK for inspection)

books? no worry, always can ask mr google, emerald or prquest. more than enough for you to do your phd thesis. i assure you on this.

can consider to fly to glasgow as changover, as i believe the spot checks at the airport is not so stringent.

TQ

google, emerald or proquest is not enough for my phd thesis. believe me

undergraduate ok kot.

Photocopying a book? That will be even more expensive than buying one here. You are entitled to only photocopy a certain number of pages and if I am not mistaken you need to sign a form or something.

Heck, it isn't even enough for an MSc. Your supervisor will flip if s/he finds out that you aren't using sources such as Web of Knowledge etc; but instead relying on Google. And oh, no Wikipedia too. Do so for your research projects at your peril.