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Investment 4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market, Property Investment

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icemanfx
post Dec 22 2013, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(yang1976 @ Dec 22 2013, 12:53 AM)
No discussion can cover all aspects, neither do one simple being can declare his own networth while evaluation is done by 3rd party like bank has its own networth calculation criteria. If you know, why dont u share what is networth to you.
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As a nobody, my networth is not worth mentioning.


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post Dec 22 2013, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(yusiang @ Dec 20 2013, 05:52 AM)
Errr I don't get your logic, you could just sell your property at whatever low price you want whether how high the market prices are.
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Of course,you're right. I know this also but then who would want to sell less when the market price is so much even tho' it's harder to find buyers. They think,what if the burst does not happen LOL.

Perhaps I should sell a bit below market price. Thx

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post Dec 22 2013, 03:27 AM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 21 2013, 01:34 PM)
Imho.. "Greedy Investors" would be defined as " Someone who tries to buy/possess as many properties within or not within their capacity/income not for own use but to make profits out of "flipping" those properties to make high profits for themselves "

We could see a lot of these people when times were better and when the banks had no qualms giving high loans out to buyers. I was suprise young people in their 20 to 30s owning 3 -4 units of condos to themselves and because they have to service these loans, they are harping that their units could be rented out so to cover their loan installments. If the said person were to lose his source of income, he/she would definately be unable to pay for this exisiting housing loans. rclxub.gif During those times, as long as you have a proper source of income, you could easily get 95% - 100% loan for those properties.

To be fair, everybody wants to make extra profits, but I would suggest that people buy within their means and not at the limit of their income. What if the market crashes, or you were to lose your job or something happen to you and being so you could not service your loans anymore?
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This I must agree 100% with you. These are not real investors. They are flippers. But I know of very young real investors with 5 or 6 properties already. Every month it's touch and go. I can't live like this. If I buy a prop and the repayment is RM3k a month I will make sure I have that amount put aside every month for it. I never depend on the rental. Some think since I can rent out for RM2k I just need RM1k every month. Developers always put the expected rental higher in order to sell. You might get RM1k only or worse you can't find rental. Some of these young real investors are greedy but some just want to show off LOL. I mean who cares if someone has 10 props but suffers day and night yo,worried about installments,worried if a bubble takes place,worried etc.

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post Dec 22 2013, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 21 2013, 02:15 PM)
Hardly any gen Y experienced or know about recession, it is waste of time to tell them.
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Hehe you're right. They have never seen. The one in the mid 86-88 was so scary. Prices were falling by the thousands of RM by the week. Let them experience it for once then they will understand what the old birds are talking about. Some very proudly booking 5-6 props like buying kueh liddat wor. So geng,every few months buying one prop. I see also feel hot and cold.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 20 2013, 09:10 AM)
And then he is asking the market to crash so that he has company ?

Quite ridiculous logic.
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You hit the nail on the head. Ridiculous logic but logic all the same.

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post Dec 22 2013, 04:46 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Dec 18 2013, 03:13 PM)
I know someone who bought a few shop lot in Rawang many years ago went bankrupt, as the shoplot literally growing grass..lol
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If he still has them now he would be a multi-millionaire.

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post Dec 22 2013, 04:50 AM

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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Dec 18 2013, 04:44 PM)
They say when u are ong / lucky only , birds will come to you. No luck, can't attract 'bird' lah!  nod.gif Cerita Benar.
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Is it also true that if you're ong pigeons will want to live in the eaves of your roof? The Chinese and Indians believe in pigeons. The Chinese say this type of bird know how to tai suay/despise/look people no up LOL. True?

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post Dec 22 2013, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 21 2013, 06:24 PM)
now, that is true...

no panic yet. but, can't sell easy.

we'll see by mid 2014 - the infamous year of "tekan rakyat".

question is do u want to buy or sell! smile.gif
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I am hunting for a property that is good value for money.

It must be a landed residential house or bungalow lot in a new promising location that should appreciate in mid to long term. Budget is around 700K to suit my conservative loan repayment plan.

I am still bullish with a long term projection.
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post Dec 22 2013, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 21 2013, 02:28 PM)
rclxms.gif Could'nt agree more. But the same thing when we look back when we were young. Somehow, people these days always forget the idea of "slow and steady wins the race" rather they want quick and easy way out of everything.
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This is tuition fee they have to paid dearly. Some may not rise again. Investment is all about timing and of cos long term but new generation tell us old timers is all about fast & big money now.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 21 2013, 11:40 PM)
When Singapore introduced GST at 3%, the economy slowed.

When U.S went into recession in 2008, Malaysia was spared from economic slow down because U.S is no longer largest trading partner. Without FTA with the U.S,  U.S recovery unlikely will have major positive impact locally.

U.S economy recovery mean interest rate will rise, fair guess is by 3% at least. A large portion of malaysian gomen bond buyers will sell and invest in more profitable return elsewhere and likely will cause tightening in liquidity, RM depreciation and rise in interest rate.
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Look like is time to change currency smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2013, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 22 2013, 07:07 AM)
I am hunting for a property that is good value for money.

It must be a landed residential house or bungalow lot in a new promising location that should appreciate in mid to long term. Budget is around 700K to suit my conservative loan repayment plan.

I am still bullish with a long term projection.
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I believe everyone looking for it n some already targetting certain areas. The problem is will u buy now or wait n see. If long term, buying now can still make profit but will u?
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post Dec 22 2013, 07:35 AM

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It seems like loads of buyers out there all waiting to pick up some "dead chickens"....
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post Dec 22 2013, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Dec 22 2013, 07:35 AM)
It seems like loads of buyers out there all waiting to pick up some "dead chickens"....
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No lar. Where got smile.gif
In BBB mode, hungry buyers alot more cos each time sellers sell, they become hungry buyer again. So it still end up 1 buyer more.
In SSS mode, once buyers managed to buy, mostly pau pau jor and mostly need rest as bank loan not easy to get. Sellers managed sold also need feed those hungry mouth(liabilities) n will not be buyer in near future. 1 less buyer now.

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post Dec 22 2013, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Dec 22 2013, 04:50 AM)
Is it also true that if you're ong pigeons will want to live in the eaves of your roof? The Chinese and Indians believe in pigeons. The Chinese say this type of bird know how to tai suay/despise/look people no up LOL. True?
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Beware pigeons dropping is a health hazard.
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post Dec 22 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(TheOwl @ Dec 22 2013, 03:27 AM)
These are not real investors. They are flippers. But I know of very young real investors with 5 or 6 properties already.
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If this is not a bubble, what is?
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post Dec 22 2013, 09:38 AM

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It really happens that some seller wanted to rush to sign SnP within this year for the RPGT issue, a difference of 10%, especially those condo type.
However, buyers cannot really expect a fire sale, probably merely 3%-5% less than normal price.
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post Dec 22 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Dec 22 2013, 07:35 AM)
It seems like loads of buyers out there all waiting to pick up some "dead chickens"....
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DDD is waiting. UUU also waiting. I afraid too many people waiting for dead chicken until cannot find. We need a economic crisis let everyone lose job only then got dead chicken everywhere
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 22 2013, 09:39 AM)
DDD is waiting. UUU also waiting. I afraid too many people waiting for dead chicken until cannot find. We need a economic crisis let everyone lose job only then got dead chicken everywhere
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Economic crisis wouldn't be necessary, when bank interest rate returned to pre QE level should be enough to tip over. Dead chicken will only come when foreclosure start.
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QUOTE(klbull @ Dec 21 2013, 06:44 PM)
The thing about a bubble is that you don't even know you are floating in one, so soothing and gentle is the sensation that you don't want it to end, ever. But it will, someday, and that someday is not that far away given economic events in Malaysia that will adversely impact future consumer spending. For highly geared property speculators, good luck for a not too hard landing in 2015/6.
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Property investment is all talk about timing and risk.
I myself also is a risk taker, and at one time highly geared as I bought 1 house in 2009 & another 1 in 2010.
But i strategy is to choose the landed property, thus the capital appreciation is not as great as those highrise one.

So i think one need to always diverse its portfolio, maybe buy some sub-sales, or medium range apartment etc.

If always focus those low entry 'service apartment' in total new/unproven area, it will badly impacted as you may not able to rent immediately while there could be many flippers within the same development.

If you ask me, the new launched prices is too risky to swallow for a investor like me. (no positive cash flow and high gear)


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post Dec 22 2013, 10:09 AM

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All time high stock market, ringgit against usd all time low, property price all time high, I smell 1997 revisit.

US Federal Reserve hold 30% of our bond compare to only 18% of Thailand bond, so in fact US economy recovery would bring adverse effect on us, as they would go back invest in their own country.

When export market recover meaning businessman need more fund for their business, aka may reduce properties holding thus disposing their holding, DDD & SSS time. happy.gif

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