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migrain
post Sep 4 2009, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 10 2008, 10:49 AM)
LO! Mike, smahpop helped you kar? tongue.gif
Not a professional web designer + light template modification. Charge for installation, modification time and training. Around RM1000-1500 max.
Yeay.. this is 1 year old post I quote tongue.gif

Anyway, is this rate more or less still the same for current market? Does this include on-site SEO?

Btw, I also got a request to build an eCommerce website with shopping cart. I used zencart, free template with light modification, simple logo & banner design, few additional modules & modifications. Also made a little on-site SEO (i dunno much, yeah..) and submit the website to Google. But I dunno how much does these works valued at...?

The website (LilOrangez.com is running good right now, as per the owner said. And they seem to be very satisfied with it.

So, seeing it, how much do you think this worth?
DoIhaveName
post Sep 4 2009, 02:54 PM

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Any blog designer here? Currently looking to help design my fresh and new blog
scotjr
post Sep 9 2009, 11:32 AM

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PM me ur quotation.

Blogspot online shop design..


wanna ask for service.

This post has been edited by scotjr: Sep 9 2009, 04:27 PM
TSetsuko
post Sep 9 2009, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(migrain @ Sep 4 2009, 10:45 AM)
Yeay.. this is 1 year old post I quote  tongue.gif

Anyway, is this rate more or less still the same for current market? Does this include on-site SEO?

Btw, I also got a request to build an eCommerce website with shopping cart. I used zencart, free template with light modification, simple logo & banner design, few additional modules & modifications. Also made a little on-site SEO (i dunno much, yeah..) and submit the website to Google. But I dunno how much does these works valued at...?

The website (LilOrangez.com is running good right now, as per the owner said. And they seem to be very satisfied with it.

So, seeing it, how much do you think this worth?
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The price is defined by the individual/company. There isn't any real "market rate". Also, is there such a thing as on-site SEO? AFAIK, it can be done without being at a client's office.

For the e-commerce website, it kinda reminds me of the RM1500 or less packages I see around.

QUOTE(DoIhaveName @ Sep 4 2009, 02:54 PM)
Any blog designer here? Currently looking to help design my fresh and new blog
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You should've stated the preferred platform (Blogger/Wordpres/Textpattern etc) and possibly, budget.

If your budget is less than RM500, think of using a free theme instead. Or, get someone to help you purchase a premium theme. It'll cost less than RM500.

QUOTE(scotjr @ Sep 9 2009, 11:32 AM)
PM me ur quotation.

Blogspot online shop design..
wanna ask for service.
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I'd have to say this is the wrong place to post this.

But I'll leave it to goldy to decide.
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post Sep 11 2009, 03:32 AM

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http://ezdevice.com/scalarPendant/

how much it would cost?
migrain
post Sep 11 2009, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 9 2009, 11:55 PM)
The price is defined by the individual/company. There isn't any real "market rate". Also, is there such a thing as on-site SEO? AFAIK, it can be done without being at a client's office.

For the e-commerce website, it kinda reminds me of the RM1500 or less packages I see around.
You should've stated the preferred platform (Blogger/Wordpres/Textpattern etc) and possibly, budget.
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thanks for the insight. on-site SEO I guess it meant the SEO function included in certain installation, as a plugin or addon etc.. or so I guess. I think I got that term somewhere on the net. Frankly I don't really have much knowledge on SEO. Still learning little by little & trying to understand as much as I can.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(genjo @ Sep 11 2009, 03:32 AM)
http://ezdevice.com/scalarPendant/

how much it would cost?
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Low-end = from RM150

Middle-range = from RM1500

High-end = from RM5000

The breakdown isn't only by an individual but based on other possible scenarios a person may have depending on their experience, work status and etc. For example; if you asked an agency to propose, they would say it ranges from RM50,000. tongue.gif

Plus, there is no design to the example. It's just a "waste of time" Flash banner and simple layout put together. So, it's not worth much.

QUOTE(migrain @ Sep 11 2009, 07:12 AM)
thanks for the insight. on-site SEO I guess it meant the SEO function included in certain installation, as a plugin or addon etc.. or so I guess. I think I got that term somewhere on the net. Frankly I don't really have much knowledge on SEO. Still learning little by little & trying to understand as much as I can..  rclxub.gif
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Well, it's the first time I'm hearing on-site SEO. LOL! Sounds confusing.

Anyway, if it's not a custom plugin, then how can you justify charging for it? Unless the installation of it is so cumbersome or the plugin ownership belongs to you, then you're selling a product.
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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 11 2009, 07:00 PM)
Well, it's the first time I'm hearing on-site SEO. LOL! Sounds confusing.

Anyway, if it's not a custom plugin, then how can you justify charging for it? Unless the installation of it is so cumbersome or the plugin ownership belongs to you, then you're selling a product.
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yep, i consider that too. what i merely do is the setup & a little finesse in the configuration i guess. still a lot more to learn before i can charge ppl on SEO part, at the least.. hehe.. laugh.gif

btw, i'm still looking around. there must be somewhere to refer as a guideline. i found this website that might help with it. gonna have a read thru and see what i can get from it.

here is the link to the website : Freelance Folder

...and i'm not promoting anything here tongue.gif just wanna share something that i think is worth sharing.. biggrin.gif hehe
aliqueamyrei
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Hi,

Wanna ask how much should I quote for 5 pages website with implemented CMS (Joomla, WP or sNews)?

Actually I've been thinking to use Joomla but based on my experiences, when it comes to module customization it was really APITA because of browser incompability (curse IE 6).

For theme, I will use free theme and customize it based on user needs. I could design it from scratch but the time frame is damn short.

The client also want me to handle domain (org.my) & server purchasing process. I think I will go for exabytes for that. But my friend said that buying org.my domain will require some sort of document from company for web server provider verification. Don't know much about that. Anyone got any idea?.
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post Sep 17 2009, 05:18 AM

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wow just revisited this thread

aliqueamyrei = timeframe short = double/triple the charge. and buying anything .my require either Form 9 of the company / SSM /Suruhanjaya syarikat malaysia
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QUOTE(aliqueamyrei @ Sep 16 2009, 11:54 AM)
Hi,

Wanna ask how much should I quote for 5 pages website with implemented CMS (Joomla, WP or sNews)?

Actually I've been thinking to use Joomla but based on my experiences, when it comes to module customization it was really APITA because of browser incompability (curse IE 6).

For theme, I will use free theme and customize it based on user needs. I could design it from scratch but the time frame is damn short.

The client also want me to handle domain (org.my) & server purchasing process. I think I will go for exabytes for that. But my friend said that buying org.my domain will require some sort of document from company for web server provider verification. Don't know much about that. Anyone got any idea?.
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QUOTE(momochi zabuza @ Sep 17 2009, 05:18 AM)
wow just revisited this thread

aliqueamyrei = timeframe short = double/triple the charge. and buying anything .my require either Form 9 of the company / SSM /Suruhanjaya syarikat malaysia
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I'd say double the charge is sufficient because the design is from a template.

But yes, I agree with Momochi. You MUST have the necessary forms - unless the reseller you commonly use knows you already then they may not request the document from you.
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post Sep 19 2009, 10:50 AM

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post Oct 5 2009, 05:42 PM

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Few questions

1) What is the best way to link landing page to home page? Is this is getting more attention from the buyers now? And on average, how much a site with multiple landing page cost?
2) Are there any demand on web analytic in Malaysia? Here, try to evaluate effectiveness of web by preset indicators such as leads, conversion, etc

Any sharing on these are very much appreciated
easyjob
post Oct 8 2009, 11:41 PM

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Any freelancer who interested in web design please kindly PM me your details & portfolio.
The project is available now.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by easyjob: Oct 14 2009, 10:24 PM
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:37 AM

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guys n gals, need some help with setting the price for this site : www.myqra.org

I Paid for the hosting + domain upfront (1 year), site uses CMS, design is not a free theme, Regularly updated and managed as there is an upcoming event. Can say it is fully managed by myself. Site has been online for 3 Months+. Its an NGO.

I am thinking of breaking the price to sumthing like : Hosting cost + Monthly Maintanence fee + Website. Maybe a rough approx would be appreciated. THanks.


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post Oct 17 2009, 02:19 PM

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hmm, just asking. How much is this site's design worth?
http://win7is.com/

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post Oct 19 2009, 03:06 PM

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just seen this tread and really love to read through it..
currently im freelance web programmer. im doing it as part time. I start doing freelance since 4~5 years already till now. Lately i always delayed the timeline.. why? because i think the price is too low, and my client didn't specify the timeline for me. And now i working full time, doing freelance is for me to earn more.. My opinion, the price for web dev/programming is decreasing nowadays.. fully dynamic (high-end) i just got ~1k only..

few years before i can earn a month 2~3k.. now ~1k only..

im not demanding..just my opinion..

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QUOTE(Halia @ Oct 5 2009, 05:42 PM)
Few questions

1) What is the best way to link landing page to home page?  Is this is getting more attention from the buyers now? And on average, how much a site with multiple landing page cost?
2) Are there any demand on web analytic in Malaysia?  Here, try to evaluate effectiveness of web by preset indicators such as leads, conversion, etc

Any sharing on these are very much appreciated
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1. Landing pages are worthless unless there's an added value of having it. Hence, splash pages with Flash animations are a waste of time and money.

2. If you're only going to provide clients with plain reports of how many visitors, changes since last report, it's a waste of money especially if the client finds out. If you're really talking analytics, you'd have to be able to advise clients as well and consult them in increasing/improving their website conversions.

QUOTE(easyjob @ Oct 8 2009, 11:41 PM)
Any freelancer who interested in web design please kindly PM me your details & portfolio.
The project is available now.

Thanks.
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This would be wrong thread - really.

QUOTE(plankton @ Oct 12 2009, 11:37 AM)
guys n gals, need some help with setting the price for this site : www.myqra.org

I Paid for the hosting + domain upfront (1 year), site uses CMS, design is not a free theme, Regularly updated and managed as there is an upcoming event. Can say it is fully managed by myself. Site has been online for 3 Months+. Its an NGO.

I am thinking of breaking the price to sumthing like :  Hosting cost + Monthly Maintanence fee  + Website. Maybe a rough approx would be appreciated. THanks.
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Well...I'd bill for:

1. Domain/Hosting
2. Design/Development (if required)
3. Maintenance fees - up to you if hourly, per day or monthly.

QUOTE(JusticeDeserves @ Oct 17 2009, 02:19 PM)
hmm, just asking. How much is this site's design worth?
http://win7is.com/

Thanks
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Depends on who you ask. A student might only charge less than RM500 for it. A company around there or more. But yes, it depends who you approach for the job. wink.gif

QUOTE(NeophyteHeaven @ Oct 19 2009, 03:06 PM)
just seen this tread and really love to read through it..
currently im freelance web programmer. im doing it as part time. I start doing freelance since 4~5 years already till now. Lately i always delayed the timeline.. why? because i think the price is too low, and my client didn't specify the timeline for me. And now i working full time, doing freelance is for me to earn more.. My opinion, the price for web dev/programming is decreasing nowadays.. fully dynamic (high-end) i just got ~1k only..

few years before i can earn a month 2~3k.. now ~1k only..

im not demanding..just my opinion..
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Your honest answer would seriously kill you if the clients found out you stalled because they weren't the right market for you. LOL! tongue.gif

Anyway, this saturated market is competitive. But forces new web design companies to be more than just a website design company - which is great. Because then, clients will be able to tell better between a volume-modal company and an experienced company.

Note: Experience isn't the number of websites you've built but what you offered in the project and learn from it. smile.gif
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How much does it cost to make an e-commerce site..totally hopeless on using joomla and zencart..need help..
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QUOTE(kerryking @ Oct 21 2009, 09:59 AM)
How much does it cost to make an e-commerce site..totally hopeless on using joomla and zencart..need help..
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Depends on who you approach. There are the from RM599 with maintenance of RM500 per year to the built by a student for RM1500 or less with/without payment gateway setup.

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