k. and this information from what year wan ah?

LOL goldfries ur reply make my day. guestbook... i nv build one before.

as a web agency / freelancer, please set a good rate for the output (website) and the service that u provide. think of how many designers out there paying their study loan, cars and house. the time designers go to meeting, do the design changes, type email, sitemap / content planning, presentation are all professional service, please dont do them for free. designers are skillful professional, not fast food restaurant's cashier or toilet cleaner.

website, as a tools to generate more revenue / cooperate branding, which can bring in thousands and thousands of profit, while the site only cost 500? this is the price that i'll quote for a A4 poster design (exclude the printing cost).

This post has been edited by B-Mecha: Jun 1 2009, 05:18 PM

i mean seriously, when was the last time you hear GUESTBOOK?

back in the mid / late 90s when the Internet was starting, GUESTBOOOK was THE thing. back then scripting languages aren't heard of and DB is not including on hosting packages.

people used PERL / CGI to handle text input and save into a text file, and the most common was GUESTBOOK. every site back then had to have one. i don't recall GUESTBOOK being around for the past 5 years or more, it's something people don't use anymore.

The client will actually be spending only on the 10 pages, design and development. RM500 was what I charged close to 10 years ago. LOL!

Guestbook - free ones available. But not worth having it anymore - not coz old, but effectiveness.

Sitemap - can be automatically generated depending how your site is developed.

Contact form - shouldn't be a problem like the sitemap.

Hosting - Serverfreak has low-cost options, or IPServerOne charges only RM99 a year and it's more than enough space.

Here's a quick tip for all you freelancers. They client will only need a ton of space if they store emails on their server. Normally, clients using Outlook and etc would download them to the computer.

I stand corrected on the pricing part. Apparently I've been asking ppl who are undercharging as well *sigh*

thanks for the tips

p/s: goldfries, the copy pasting thingy i was referring to were HTML/CSS templates that are downloadable & editable

Following a constant inflation rate of 7% per year, you should charge RM1000 by now

But I have a feeling that you won't.

LOL! Icednyior already said she heard from friends who were undercutting even further.

Oh, how I can't wait for the Gen-Y to takeover companies.

Let me rephrase you, "Oh, how I can't wait for the foolish Generation Y to take over companies."

But whats the difference ? Following the same fluctuation rate of 7%. Wantan mee that costs 4 bucks now will cost 8 bucks after a period of 10 years.

This post has been edited by SeeD: Jun 4 2009, 11:00 PM

Urm, the Gen-Y generation are the ones who're more open to new ideas. So why call them foolish? LOL!

AFAIK, they are the generation who's life is mostly revolving around the Internet right now. Rather than the directors in the their golden years sitting on their laurels.

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Added on June 7, 2009, 12:34 pmThis is what I call undercutting. LOL!

RM299 for a Wordpress / e-Commerce / Forum. http://littlekittle.com/shop/index.php?act...d&productId=84/

This post has been edited by etsuko: Jun 7 2009, 12:34 PM

lol.. and for you to "promote" it

anyway, yea Gen-Y is open to a widespread of ideas. but i think they are only the "transition generation" where they do the hard work to promote internet usage. the next gen (gen-Z?) are the ones that are going to get the widespread ideas. they will be born with the internet fully ready for the world, or at least more so than us.

why oh why do they undercut at least those stores wont be beating ebay and the likes

Well I'm talking it in terms of economics. LOL

Okay, so how so will Gen-Y affect from the Economist view?

Hi guys.
I'm going to present my website tomorrow.
Check this link. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1035619

But,should i ask them,they pay me every month for updating,or when they wan update they will pay me ?

and how much u normally charge for it first option and 2nd option ?

Ive been reading this thread and found out better use Microsoft outlook.
I'm using web based email where user can reply or receive email without opening Microsoft outlook.is it good this way ?

owh, yes i also want to know how to charge for updating. Had a bad experience where the client (who was a fren) keep wanting to amend almost 2-3 times a week. gila.

about the email, based on personal exp, I hv 2 company emails both using webmail powered by google. But i still prefer to have it all on my desktop using PostBox (its a similar program to Microsoft Outlook and Thunderbird).

you can charge on weekly basis, monthly basis, or even per update basis.

you could estimate the fee based on estimated hour per update, and so on.

if it's too difficult, start with RM 50 per update. *just a suggestion, there's no fix rate when it comes to service.*

but how do you define "per update?"

per text? per picture? per page.

ah so confusing >.<

per UPDATE - get it?

this settles the need to bother about # of text, picture or page thing cos it covers everything.

by incurring such fee on them, they'll think twice - instead of bugging you for a change each time want to put 1 line of text, they'll actually consider send to you more things before requesting update.

if too much then you can raise the price.

oh,so we dont give the price first when they ask to update rite ?
we charge them based on what they ask update rite ?
how many pic,text,event etc2...like this ?

Well I'm not an economist nor I am very good with the economy LOL

But what I can assure you us our money governing system sucks (yes, the whole world's money system sucks). That's the reason inflation continue to exist even as we speak.

That's the reason why I said you can charge double the amount of money you charge 10 years ago now

What we need is an influential GEN Y person who can revert this almost-impossible-to-revert system back.

Meh having said this the money we're using is not even money now ...

Ok I think we're farrrrrrrrrr away from topic now and I'll just end it here.

This post has been edited by SeeD: Jun 9 2009, 09:33 PM

Quick tips for Maintenance.

TASK basis
For each task, comes a fee. Determine a fee and put it into B&W for them to sign on.

HOURLY basis
Irregardless of the tasks requested for update, put into the contract the hourly rate your maintenance cost and get a signature. Also, it'll be good to explain to the client how hourly rates would work best for them as compared to TASK and CONTRACT.

CONTRACT basis
The most common maintenance method practiced. In it, it's documented the number of items changeable to the number of items changeable. I personally find contract basis are double edged swords. Clients have limitations and Providers have a headache controlling Clients if there were no limitations.

Income wise, CONTRACT is best because they pay you an annual/monthly fee. However, you're going to have to think if you want to be burdened by the crazily demanding client later. Is it worth your time and life even if you charged them that price? And don't forget, the type of client you have.

At the end of the day, it's how you want to maintain it, market it and do it.

Whatever it is, make sure it's in Black and White for your own reference and safety.

This post has been edited by etsuko: Jun 9 2009, 10:06 PM