yes, black & white is important. state it clearly and get them to stamp and sign.

whether it's per task / update, per month (with multiple updates) or per quarter or per year - remember to have an agreement.

when to choose per task / per update or per duration update? check with your client, on the frequency and complexity of the updates. then choose the one that suits you.

the pricing is up to you, as long as you can convince the client then it's all good to go.

Okay I have a customer who gave me his design in photoshop. He asked me to turn it into a Joomla template.

I did it (mainly css heavy editing) and add some modules that need to be edit it's css so it will macth the template look and feel.

How much to charge him?

depends on the complexity i would say, first figure that came to mind is RM 500.

after that you have to justify la, like the CSS was heavy work and how you need to split the design, then test it out into the template and all.

charge more if you think RM 500 doesn't cover your effort.

Okay how about the blank pages that I created for them so that they can just add any info the want in the future? And I forgot to mentioned next I have to setup the whole thing at their server also. Rite now I put it at my server to preview to them. Overall is it too much to ask for 1K?

i don't think it's too much.

your work is slicing, CSS, then testing on various browsers and then when you say SETUP, i'm assuming you're setting up the entire Joomla thing for them - that includes enabling/disabling modules, placing them, and populating the contents and so on so forth.

go with 1k la, they're sure haggle. then nice nice to them drop a little make them happy.

My plan exactly, sure they negotiate and keep on lowering n lowering. My aim is 700 - 800. Okay rite?

looks alright. do business no earn then waffor?

definitely not for the lulz...

actually is there any list of prices for freelancers or designers works as in the range of the prices.... like

php = rm1k-8k
html = rm50 per page

those kind of stuffs.... hmm

aiyoh already explained earlier mah.

there's really no way for you to quantify those.

remember that even in scripting languages you can do loops, include / require other external files. so are we going to base on file size? lines of code?

or are we going to charge per database, then each table, each field, each row of data?

the complexity of the technology behind making websites today is unlike before where you can determine $$$$ per page. of course you still can go $$$ per page but it could end up being either unfair to you or unfair to the client -

at RM 100 per page for a 5 page site, you're charging peanuts. charge too high, then client may not like you.

in the end you just have to estimate base on yourself vs what you're providing (client requirement).

I found this thread rather useful as it touches on a lots of personal experiences and views on The pathway to be come a web designer.

well done to those who contribute here=)

anyway, AFAIK, accounting, bussiness admin, commerce ,all related to bussiness studies students need to master the skills of designing website,they have to learn CSS, HTMl, Javascript and so on.

THus , i can see there is a growing need for website designer.

Anyone mind to explain how these students( Bussiness study) put into use the basic skills of learning up HTML, CSS etc?
Does the skills useful in their future..how about a doctor,do they need this skill as well.
i have no idea on all these HTML, CSS stuff. indeed i have to learn from scratch.

Right, "OMG!" here's a thing I've read a few days ago that hit me with a lot of sense.

In the stone age, barter system is used as buy/sell system that is extremely slow and thus, everybody is equally poor.

In the industrial age, demand for money is very high and quick transactions are required. Thus we have all the banks lending out money and balancing up their storage with "credit". They also have more stores, malls, cinemas, etc in the busiest street of the world.

In the information age (our generation), we have the internet which is the fastest kind of money transfer. Our economist know that shops and malls are limited by working hours and our websites DO NOT TAKE A REST.

So which one is more efficient?
A. An actual shop that is limited by time, people, money and so on.
B. A virtual shop that is not limited by time, people, money ?

It's obvious that those who owns a website for their business will prosper faster than those who didn't.

Thus the need to learn web designing even for business course is to prepare the young for the change.

Well, maybe I don't write as well as the author himself. But this would give you a basic idea of why even business courses students would need to learn web designing now.

How do they do it? They have lectures to teach them. Duh?

This post has been edited by SeeD: Jun 18 2009, 10:13 AM

regardless of how important website is, asking non design / IT student to pick up web development skills is plain idiotic. to build a EFFECTIVE website require so much skill n knowledge than just HTML, CSS, ecommerce plugin and other technical skill.

how about branding? usability? credibility / trust? internet marketing? traffic analysis? all these are experience from expert in order to build a successful ecomerce website. simply ask a business fresh grad to handle the web design project for the company is as stupid as give money to a beggar and ask him to buy stock.

dont get me wrong, it is a MUST to understand how important website is. how it works, how can a business utilize the internet for sales / branding. it provides better view for the student to be able to generate better modern marketing solutions.

This post has been edited by B-Mecha: Jun 18 2009, 10:41 AM

B-Mecha - very good points there (btw, you revoltech collector!?)

to share my experience - one of my client was very happy with what I did for them. all I did was just XHTML / CSS + Design, along with some basic SEO.

initially the site owners were a bit skeptical on how the site is going to help them in their business, but after a while and with a few sales coming in - they've already more than break-even and now are convinced that it works and look forward to upgrade the site further.

my point? do a good job.

glad to hear that. i believe that's the best compliment when client inform the agency that the solution are great!

most of the time the value of the website is depends on how much it can help the client. like nike e-commerce website will worth more than my uncle's shoe shop site, hence i would charge higher for nike even the deliverable is the same.

yup, i'm a revoltech collector (currently 60++ revoltech).

erm... well that's very important to have a good conversation with client. understand what they need. and what can we do for them. not just writing a script.

i am lookin for wordpress designer plz pm me for further discussion

I am looking for web designer for e-commerce site.

Shopping Cart, Catalogue, something like ECSHOP template but as I cant read chinese, i need something in english.

Pls send me your sample of website & ur personal website. Sorry, will only consider ppl who has done it and own a personal website.

ECSHOP got english version, need to find the language pack

but it only for client module... admin module also chinese