no problem wan la. that's why designs should adhere to web standards.

during my path of learning CSS, IE vs Firefox gave me quite some headache. eventually there are some workarounds.

I hate to use table actually, now I move to use alot of layer <div> instead. Because on some browser, if you don't set all sizes value for all nessasary parts, the table will display incorrectly ... and table codes are damn long.... So I had move to use DIV controlled by CSS

i need some help in designing a lead capture page for my affiliate program...

is anyone here who is familiar with such task,
and how much will it cost to get it done?

hope this is the right place to post this question...if it is not please let me know where to post it and where I can get a freelance to get my task done.

thanks for the time...

ok. i pointed you to this thread so that you get the basic idea of pricing and such.

appropriate place to advertise your NEEDS is here
http://forum.lowyat.net/JobEnlistments

or you can search for services offered by others here
http://forum.lowyat.net/ServicesNoticeboard

Hmm, I want to build fancy website, but I DON'T know Flash... Maybe I just play tricks with layers.. but if the PC not modern or fast enough may cause laggy if there are too much layers with transparent or alpha images... Hmm, any advice?

But I think just that, the alignment are broken.

This post has been edited by M1X: Jun 19 2007, 02:09 PM

How much do you guys think average cost for freelancers to charge for a website like this http://www.coolnlite.com/

don't need flash to build nice websites wan la.

FLASH tends to move slower on lower spec machines.


will you be providing the content?
will you be provding the pictures?
will you require domain and hosting?

some of the things you should consider as it may affect pricing.

dude, does all the gal models comes from jap av pics lol, i would say it's more like a student's work. below 1k.... correct me if im wrong.

The layout is kinda "messy" ? I can't find my way well... If you add some lines as divider or something it looks better (just my opinion).

M1X, Flash is over rated. It's entertaining but it still lies in what your website is for. If it's like like some MTV sorta thing then maybe it's beneficial to be in Flash. Else, just stick to good ol static stuff with a great design and layout.

ronasdfghjklzxc, if you're a student - max 1000. if you're a freelancer, you could aim for 1500 and above. if you're a company, well that's a different story.

from my point of view, the website fails terribly because the company looks as though:
1. Selling chiqs.
2. Racing.
3. Car modifications.
4. Car tinting.

If you noticed the order of things, it's what I perceived the company's website to be doing instead of straight away understanding they do car tinting.

If it's your client, recommend something better to them with a focused direction.

Hmm, so how is this one? I draw this last night, just a prelimianry design of my new site. Any advice? I'm still 'newbie' in these kind of stuff.



http://www.image2u.net/is.php?i=1414&img=shot.jpg
(image updated, different from above one)

I plan to use layers and javascripts to add some interactive stuff, just bought a book of web design, may learn some from it.

This post has been edited by M1X: Jun 22 2007, 12:06 PM

i think hor..the most harder website is...
the most simple website...

i remember when i just start my first job as web designer..and i found out my work is messy, is very hard for u to transform ur work to simple, shouldnt use simple maybe professional? clean and sleek and nice? and with differentiated of ur website created for that company with the same position, maybe same color themes? but with different concepts? this is the most hard one

dont think simple is easy, the more simple u want, the hardest and more u need to think. u need experience and time, i already done few website in web design field and now i convert it to my business and working as programmer and doing some server support.

as how u convert it to business? just go register a name and get a name card and just do. u cant expect anything come fast and give u earn for few K's from the start, u need a lot of source.

and for the pricing matters, i think is just personal and situations, i charge a simple web applications modifications with RM 2500++, which some other programmer think my work is simple and with that price is expansive, but thats the customer willing to pay wat?

sometimes it depends, if u r in freelance, then it need to c how r u change ur freelance status to another more appropriate name, get a business name but with slightly higher pricing than normal but below those sdn bhd, is that better right? most of my work is coming from 1 regular company which they outsouce most of their project to me. but 1 thing is, u need to act their development team when u finish a good job and customer request for a dinner, well that is the bad things i found out from me... aiks ...

This post has been edited by cypher: Jun 30 2007, 11:33 AM

Yes, simple actually hard. I've also assigned with a wedsite design for bussiness, but very very damn hard even though it acvtually a very simple work. KISS is very hard though (Keep It simple and Stupid) ...

I much love to play with graphics, so I more like to design and built multimedia sites such as gaming stuff.

Guys, help me on this. I was given an assignment by my lecturer, she need me to find out a quotation which will show how much an animation filler will get. A far as i understand the animation filler she meant is the animation done for certain TV channel like Astro NTV7 etc etc. As u notice Astro got a nice advertising which show a lot of robot playing different kind of sports. That is wat she meant. Lets say i m the animation filler how much can i get? Or where can i get more information like this. I need the contact person also. Guys if ur company also offering or looking for expert on this field pls kindly share with me how much ur company willing to pay?

www.coolnite.com could've only costs RM500 for my opinion, mainly because it bleeds a design concepts from the 90s HTML era (those era when Flash does not have AS and people are experimenting with dynamic websites). We don't use splash-screen anymore, it just aint natural. Learn about composition, bro. Dwell into print design as well, it will do you good.

http://shop.kedaisaya.com/ on the other hand, could've cost more than RM800. Way more. Why? Some would say - open source, lousy design template or even free script. The client would've cared less about the free script. If they known about this (and still think they could've put it themselves together, then, god bless them let them try). The truth is, the website delivers its content. I can forgive the simplistic design because the website 'works'. I know what I'm surfing for, what can I look for, and even what can I get. Not all website surfers are CSS purists and PHP loyalists. Oh FTR I also knows how to design (lol) but I hate the fact that people are bleeding colours and embosses just because they know how.

I have been browsing through a hectic 7-page post and here I am, pitching my POVs on the web-design industry. I agreed mostly on etsuko's posts. Most of the clients does not understand the real hardship of getting a good website out.

Why does it always has to have an outrageous price tag? For starters, for those who had their eye on the web-design business; web design is not just about pitching together a funky design to a nicely worked-up CSS.

Its about information engineering. Its about the ingenious way some professionals come up to bring out the information, while at the same time getting a good design up. Its about bringing together the balance between usability of the website with the design of the website. that's hard. not to mention the composition of the website (bringing out the marketing value of the site, which most of us web-designers forgot when we focused too much on the design.) For me, its all about bringing the information up and about, which many amateurs failed at delivering.

Be sure to remember the business side/reason of why a client wants to have a website.

"As far as the client is concerned, the interface IS the product."

This post has been edited by iammagic: Jul 17 2007, 11:40 AM

Hey guys,

I'm actually looking for some to design a website. My budget range is within Rm1000-Rm2000. Would be great if any one of you could pm me your contact number or email add so that i can fill you in on the details. All communication is appreciated. Please do so as it would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

-Jonny

Hey guys,

I'm actually looking for some to design a website. My budget range is within Rm1000-Rm2000. Would be great if any one of you could pm me your contact number or email add so that i can fill you in on the details. All communication is appreciated. Please do so as it would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

-Jonny

(ps:sorry for the above reply. used wrong account)

Thank you for the compliment and support.

As for the kedaisaya, well - I think it needs an interface upgrade. Badly.

Many sites do - big or small. From personal websites to medium sized like Lelong to even giants like eBay.

The main difference is that eBay has a team to improve stuff like Google.

Medium and smaller all don't really care about the information engineering and just want something to look good.

From a designer's POV, web 2.0 works because it's made to be very easy and simple. You don't have to pause for a minute to know what they do or what it's for. You will just know.

In terms of the cost, here in Malaysia there isn't a difference. They just know how to say "I want it to look web 2.0" without even knowing what is it. pfft...

For us at Simpleet, the product is the overall website from interface to the backend.

Oh, not forgetting we make websites for users.

Wow, etsuke. Simpleet eh, new one? A new initiative name for Websites Made Simple?

Nope.. Websites Made Simple was my own so-called company name which I freelance under and used mainly as a blog.

Simpleet Solutions is my registered company with my partner (which most in Codemasters may know)