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 2ndhand 308Turbo or New Preve, which is worth it?

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post Oct 27 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Oct 25 2013, 11:07 AM)
Do you own Volkswagen in the first place? Or you just took that as your username to bash conti with false problems, etc in which you are personally with crappy N-brand.

Based on your comment, it shows that you are the type that stick to Japanese make and won't go conti at all. If that is the case, aren't you supposed to avoid P1 as well when they no longer get MMC engines especially Preve/Suprima? It's not even Japanese made.

Warranty or not, you still fork out own money for the service. Your N-brand Teana/Sylphy, the fragile CVT gearbox maintenance, you still have to pay with own money while under warranty. So what crap are you talking about here? As for the few unlucky but lucky cases for some Sylphy owners that had the CVT gearbox steel belt dislocated a bit, lucky for them it happened while under 3 years warranty, any guarantee for them after the 3 years? How do you explained the X-Trail, Sentra N16 and Cefiro engine blown cases due to excessive overheating when no more warranty? Aren't they paying with own money too?
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What is this nonsense you are spewing? And what is it about my N-brand Teana and Sylphy? Why was this in the discussion? I think something is wrong with your head.
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post Oct 27 2013, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Oct 25 2013, 11:46 AM)
Your old city vtec CVT is indeed feels more powerful than the 09 City. However if higher speed, the new one feels more stable. New one is heavy, thts y Vios can out accelerate it and FC goes up. Not only because of the 5AT vs CVT. Weight penalty sux man.. doh.gif

I owned the previous version City with D15B Vtec engine Type-Z. When I test drove the current facelifted City, I was like  doh.gif  WTH...0-100km/h  its so slow...LOL.  Gearbox not as jerky like my old 4AT though.
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Agree, my previous model is 09 city. Real slow machine. Vtec? Lol
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post Oct 27 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Oct 25 2013, 11:07 AM)
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Try not to go for uncertained vehicles which will bring you problems later on. Why not buy new? Nasim's after-sales are notoriously known to be poor, and in the even of a breakdown and parts need to be replaced, it's not only you are paying more for these replacement parts but the possibility that you may need to wait for several weeks for the parts to be available. Few friends who owned Peugeot don't have much good words for it when it comes to reliability and maintenance. When it comes to driving, it can be good. But when problem crops up after warranty period, then you will feel it. Especially if warranty period is over.

The Preve is quite a solid car with decent handling. Only the Turbo engine is not very refined and loud but guess that is what to expect for a vehicle that's below RM70k. Brand new you have peace of mind.

And I believe Proton's after-sales service is anytime better than Peugeot Nasim's too.


Do you own Volkswagen in the first place? Or you just took that as your username to bash conti with false problems, etc in which you are personally with crappy N-brand.

Based on your comment, it shows that you are the type that stick to Japanese make and won't go conti at all. If that is the case, aren't you supposed to avoid P1 as well when they no longer get MMC engines especially Preve/Suprima? It's not even Japanese made.

Warranty or not, you still fork out own money for the service. Your N-brand Teana/Sylphy, the fragile CVT gearbox maintenance, you still have to pay with own money while under warranty. So what crap are you talking about here? As for the few unlucky but lucky cases for some Sylphy owners that had the CVT gearbox steel belt dislocated a bit, lucky for them it happened while under 3 years warranty, any guarantee for them after the 3 years? How do you explained the X-Trail, Sentra N16 and Cefiro engine blown cases due to excessive overheating when no more warranty? Aren't they paying with own money too?
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I have to agree with Volkswagen2. I owned conti cars in my life and owned a Volkswagen as well. It was ridiculously riddled with issues and problems and most of the time I had to camp at the service center waiting for the car to be fixed and also had to go through with fake promises time and time again. The longest I had to wait was a month for my DSG box to be replaced due to part shortage. The same story I have heard from my colleague who was also my so called "brother-in-arms" because while I was going through shit, he was going through the same shit with Peugeot as well. Long replacement times for parts and constantly seeing the damn check engine light appearing on our dashboards.

Test driven the latest Proton's and personally, I believe Proton has really gone a long way and the cars themselves are fundamentally good. If a friend asked me the same question between a 2nd hand Pug308 or a Preve and his criteria is reliability and getting from Point A to Point B with the least amount of hassle, I will without a doubt say get the Proton. If he wanted the Pug308, I will say go with his own choice and heart but I will definitely share with him all of the issues that past owners have faced, warn him of the possibility of having to constantly send the car in to the Service Center especially if his work schedule isn't exactly flexible.
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post Oct 27 2013, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(blu3 @ Oct 27 2013, 12:10 PM)
Agree, my previous model is 09 city. Real slow machine. Vtec? Lol
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I miss my oldshoe city type z vtec yr 2002. When the rpm reaches 4k you really can feel the vtec kick in. It is like the whole drivetrain wake up. Sadly the vtec nowaday cant feel that.
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post Oct 27 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(cy97 @ Oct 27 2013, 03:17 PM)
I miss my oldshoe city type z vtec yr 2002. When the rpm reaches 4k you really can feel the vtec kick in. It is like the whole drivetrain wake up. Sadly the vtec nowaday cant feel that.
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yup..me too used to drive a type z 1.5 vtec from 2003 to 2009... very good car!!! fast and simply fun..replaced with the current city..not so fun..
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post Oct 27 2013, 07:03 PM

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whats wrong.

ive drive about 3 years of peugeot 406 then upgrade to 407 till now.

problem? nah, mostly the abs sensor n maybe 1 day the double wishbone system will die but we got a club and sources here in malaysia. dont worry, u like the car then just buy it.

this is not renault kangoo, this is peugeot la
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post Oct 27 2013, 08:20 PM

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Used peugeot?Good luck!
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post Nov 1 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 27 2013, 11:27 AM)
What is this nonsense you are spewing? And what is it about my N-brand Teana and Sylphy? Why was this in the discussion? I think something is wrong with your head.
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There is no nonsense. Based on your comments all these while, you know nuts about conti. There is nothing in your comment that talks about conti all these. Those who really owned conti could have given some facts properly.

If VW so that unreliable, wonder why so many buy them nowadays? The Passat and Golf look dull but people still go for them when they could go for the nicer Mazda 6. So why is that? For Japanese brand, the most reliable is Toyota followed by Mazda then MMC, etc. Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?
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post Nov 1 2013, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2013, 12:36 PM)
There is no nonsense. Based on your comments all these while, you know nuts about conti. There is nothing in your comment that talks about conti all these. Those who really owned conti could have given some facts properly.

If VW so that unreliable, wonder why so many buy them nowadays? The Passat and Golf look dull but people still go for them when they could go for the nicer Mazda 6. So why is that? For Japanese brand, the most reliable is Toyota followed by Mazda then MMC, etc. Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?
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You say no nonsense, I say nonsense.
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post Nov 1 2013, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Oct 22 2013, 06:43 PM)
Depends on your luck. If you are normal driver and NEVER pedal to the metal, and never rev until 4800rpm, then the problem is minimised..
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dun wanna rev >5k buy diesel la
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post Nov 1 2013, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2013, 12:36 PM)
There is no nonsense. Based on your comments all these while, you know nuts about conti. There is nothing in your comment that talks about conti all these. Those who really owned conti could have given some facts properly.

If VW so that unreliable, wonder why so many buy them nowadays? The Passat and Golf look dull but people still go for them when they could go for the nicer Mazda 6. So why is that? For Japanese brand, the most reliable is Toyota followed by Mazda then MMC, etc. Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?
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Why is it everytime you open your mouth rubbish just flows right out of it? Keep it up. Good for some laughs.
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post Nov 1 2013, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2013, 12:36 PM)
There is no nonsense. Based on your comments all these while, you know nuts about conti. There is nothing in your comment that talks about conti all these. Those who really owned conti could have given some facts properly.

If VW so that unreliable, wonder why so many buy them nowadays? The Passat and Golf look dull but people still go for them when they could go for the nicer Mazda 6. So why is that? For Japanese brand, the most reliable is Toyota followed by Mazda then MMC, etc. Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?
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Please know that a lot of people buying the car does not mean it is good. Is Proton Saga BLM good?
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post Nov 1 2013, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2013, 12:36 PM)
Honta is never durable while N-brand, not sure whether they have overcome the overheating issue. Can you explain?
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beside a toyota, my family n i owned 2 used n 1 new Honda, no problem pun...wat ru talking about lol
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post Nov 1 2013, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(izutaisa @ Nov 1 2013, 12:43 PM)
dun wanna rev >5k buy diesel la
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Well, the Prince engine in 308 is quite manja.. U rev rev a lot later it will go to limp mode and depollution error
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Nov 1 2013, 05:08 PM)
Well, the Prince engine in 308 is quite manja.. U rev rev a lot later it will go to limp mode and depollution error
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lol limp mode. reflash ecu may solve this?
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post Nov 12 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Nov 1 2013, 03:59 PM)
beside a toyota, my family n i owned 2 used n 1 new Honda, no problem pun...wat ru talking about lol
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Do you own N-brand like Cefiro, N16, X-Trail that have several cases of overheating at SC? Read properly.

As for your crappy Honda, drive it rough together with your Toyota, 10 years later, you tell me which one still in 1 piece. Answer is Toyota. Honda engine will experience more leakage, wear and tear, failure, etc compared to Toyota. Understand?

This is why Toyota is reliability king. Honda is not, not even close. Mazda, MMC and even Korean Hyundai-Kia are more durable than Honda. You can find Toyota and now Korean made included on harshest condition Arab states today. Mind you, only cars that have proven reliability/durability survive on those terrain and condition.

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QUOTE(runemastertan @ Nov 1 2013, 02:48 PM)
Please know that a lot of people buying the car does not mean it is good. Is Proton Saga BLM good?
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Ofcourse, car price here are so expensive, they don't have much choice.

Thanks to people like jolokia mentality that put their own priority and interest on top, they ruin things up and make others suffer. Even he himself not getting much bonus and incentives compared to few years back due to all time low car sales and economic slump. He doesn't think about others, so he too became victim of other bad people with similar mentality as his.

When more and more people are poor, every1 is holding back their horses and stick to exiting rides. Would you pay RM20 to go to this weekend motorshow? jolokia will definitely be there with his free visitor pass granted to car companies certain staff.


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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 12 2013, 09:41 AM)
Do you own N-brand like Cefiro, N16, X-Trail that have several cases of overheating at SC? Read properly.

As for your crappy Honda, drive it rough together with your Toyota, 10 years later, you tell me which one still in 1 piece. Answer is Toyota. Honda engine will experience more leakage, wear and tear, failure, etc compared to Toyota. Understand?

This is why Toyota is reliability king. Honda is not, not even close. Mazda, MMC and even Korean Hyundai-Kia are more durable than Honda. You can find Toyota and now Korean made included on harshest condition Arab states today. Mind you, only cars that have proven reliability/durability survive on those terrain and condition.
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Crappy? Lol....why are you so emotional &..

...I don't get your logic.
U mention honda never reliable but it's few of the more reliable brands irregardless of order...my previous post I just mention we have hontas at home and didn't give problem. I think it's a valid owner input/
these r little cars not to be driven harsh like in Arab states, what has Korean cars and toyota made in the harshest condition has relevancy to do with honda being a reliable car for a normal household usage in malaysia ROFL....
Are you hallucinating there. and are the brands toyotas and korean car brands being under attack here?

most cars after 10years will not be surprisingly to replace parts be it any brands. there are both 10 over to 20 years toyotas and hontas cars OTR
DUDE....R U OK



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post Nov 12 2013, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 12 2013, 09:41 AM)
....10 years later, you tell me which one still in 1 piece. Answer is Toyota....
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I have a 7 year old Vios at home....and uh....no.

have changed driveshaft, valve seals, wheel bearings etc. etc. some of them as early as the third year. Now the engine mounting is due for replacement. My friend's dugong changed O2 sensors in the second year.

Some of them are understandably wear and tear, some just failed prematurely.

yea.....still no. Toyota wears out just as soon as any other brand.

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Back to the topic plz. Huhu

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