Speaking of pug 308T , I JUST saw one white pearl one today, a lady of early 30s was driving it....Very nice...I was behind it quite long....NOT because I wanted to because it was jam the two lanes....and not that I was complaining too as the butt is quite sexy....the bonnet there got a silver like metal across it , horizontally.... and the way the rear light side it curves like the girl's hip. thats the cute part.

Turbo written below the 308....

Honestly....it does look like a sporty lady's car to me...I tot the car look great with a lady driver in it cuz the car doesnt look aggressive but sorta smallish sporty in a pretty one.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 22 2013, 07:51 PM

Y r french car (or european car in general?) so bad meh? maintenance or durability problem?

Man....I like your review. brutally honest and alot of facial expression there . But it doesn't change what most other ppl think of the car but good honest contribution though. I hope ppl will consider what you say as well but let's all not be too dramatic here shall we hehe

then it is both maintenance (very expensive repairs tere, mate) and durability problem then....since it's rare, of course, its only logic that the parts r Much less accessible....even recon jdm also abit uncommon de and koreans too, what more frenchtoast....my fren had a inokom atos...i think that'll be his last kimchi ever....

regarding the durability, i think those frenchtoast r made for relatively 'colder ' climate country especially the car parts/componenet, so when u bring over/import to msia to use in Msia climate.....erm....go figure

Damn scary man.....good heads up for those who want to consider used pug 308T.

but is there a way to check ont he usage/durability of the turbo and the chain? and is chain so easily break one meh.... how much horsepower tis car oh....lol

How about the performance , is it comparable to 05 City vtec too?

At first , of course, I would immediately thought that the 308T can out accelerate the city vtec but after I came across 308T official 0-100 is 9.1s ....that reminded me of the city vtec launch by WKN was around 9.1s too...however, unofficial 0-60 time but it's close...

so I'm asking u since u own both cars

I believe so. but I m not 100% confirm. To verify, you have to dig abit from WongKN articles. he did a detailed write-up on the city vtec.

but it should be stock cuz he was testing various launch mode with the car and the best one was about 9.s....if modding it would defeat the purpose ady.

I usually feel very respectful for most of your replies....very 'professional' kind of way but you really sound funny tonight

R u so enjoice putting down ppl? "LOL" somemore

Mistake can happen. and it's nthg to do with fanboyism...you're so dead wrong on that and u think u r so smart by mocking. but i can honestly tell you, if i was wrong, then it was my mistake of wrong memory or wrong reading. i'll try to find that article back if i could, but still, im telling u that u r wrong of so quick to coming to judge/mock ppl to feel superior. exaggeration somemore...what new level. is your life so lack of drama you've to dramatise your reply when u can simply point out that i'm wrong then I go back to check on my facts , if I was not lazy but I think I should for my own sake so that I can prove to myself if it was my memory really degrading on me....


=UPDATES=

the below is written by wongkn in his article May 2005 and all the 10 tries of 0-60mph are sub 9s

""As can be seen, the Jazz 1.5 VTEC returned quite unexpectedly good results, to me at least. It consistently did the 0-60mph run at a time of between 8.7 to 9.0 seconds for an average of just above 8.8 seconds !! This was really astonishing especially at the time I was doing the runs. By comparison, the 'reference' cars in the mid-sized and full-sized 'sports-sedan' segment, the Civic 2.0 i-VTEC and the local Accord 2.4 i-VTEC returned averaged times of 8.5 and 8.6 seconds respectively, not a lot faster than what the Jazz did !

This optimum acceleration rate and lack of gearshift are the 2 key factors to the great time of 8.8 seconds for the 0-60mph run."""

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/JazzVtec/

So, are you saying now....that many cars no need to sell liao and alot of driving honda city are ahbeng on the road race everyday?

Well, I own a 05 city vtec....I'm a car enthusiast but not a riceboy as my car is completely stock with only customised floor mat, a window visor, a cheaplak low profile duckbill spoiler and a tomcat exhaust (totally less than 1k spent on car modding in 8 years of ownership) which i eventually took down as i given the car to my mom to drive now but yes, I certainly like to play 'racing ' with drivers who always tiong other car for simply that I like speed to feel I'm alive...but that's about it. So you are wrong again about ahbeng becuz i'm far from it.


But actually , that u have mentioned it, I kinda doubt about that result that sub 9s is slightly far-fetched....however, i think high 9s is achieveble tho but surely will be inconsistent. but it is true that vtec city 05 is quicker than Sentra 1.6 auto, Altis 1.6 auto, Vios 1.5 auto, Switft 1.5 auto, Waja 1.6 auto, Gen2 auto on factory paper.

=UPDATE #2=

QUOTE
"Left foot on the brake pedal, lightly squeeze the throttle and feel the
gearbox tension up and let go of the brake for the launch"--- City Vtech
Article

"Looking at the chart, the effect of a good and not so good run can be
clearly seen. The two data points on the 'wrong side' of 11 seconds were
from a less than optimal launch. But once I developed a 'feel' for the
launching method, it was relatively easy to get it consistently right and
this is clearly shown by the majority of the runs delivering times below
11 seconds"--- City idsi Performance check article.

Another site edmunds.com in their 2007 article, tested the jazz 0-60mph sprint for 9.3s

Economy and power
Both trim levels for this front-drive, five-door hatchback (the Fit is offered in base and Sport trim) feature a 1.5-liter, 109-horsepower VTEC four-cylinder engine. Delivering 105 pound-feet of torque at 4,800 rpm, it posted a 9.3-second, 0-60-mph sprint.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 24 2013, 03:09 AM

It's not the jazz hybrid that does this...it's the 05 vtec jazz and also not the i-vtec city but the 05 city vtec....they r both very capable of hitting sub 10s. I'm sure, as when i accelerated from standstill, the car kinda squated. the hybrid i don't know . so is the current city....they r not as powerful as the 05 city vtec....my friends of current city admit themselves because it no longer uses the CVT of 05 city which contributed to the quick n responsive engine...somehow. you own the 05 vtec city, you should know what your car is capable of ...unless you didn't know the best launch mode or u less spirited driving with it? Apology if offended but I do like to stress again that the 05 city vtec is a very capable car for it's segment

yea , dont need big torque to crawl...but if not enough tork to crawl, very annoying tuuu...

I wonder if putting a deck lip spoiler will improve stability slightly...if at mid speed 120-160. Feels more stable is seem just a gut feeling & instinct when your floor the pedal hee...I've heard ppl say before if the car hardly driven over 160 before (ESPECIALLY prior runned-in) then the car will feel floaty around at higher speed...otherwise...they quite grounded. I'm not sure if there's any truth in that or not...Myb difference of tires grade, road condition and even tire air pressure all that might influence that floatiness of a car at 160 or so

beside a toyota, my family n i owned 2 used n 1 new Honda, no problem pun...wat ru talking about lol

Crappy? Lol....why are you so emotional &..

...I don't get your logic.
U mention honda never reliable but it's few of the more reliable brands irregardless of order...my previous post I just mention we have hontas at home and didn't give problem. I think it's a valid owner input/
these r little cars not to be driven harsh like in Arab states, what has Korean cars and toyota made in the harshest condition has relevancy to do with honda being a reliable car for a normal household usage in malaysia ROFL....
Are you hallucinating there. and are the brands toyotas and korean car brands being under attack here?

most cars after 10years will not be surprisingly to replace parts be it any brands. there are both 10 over to 20 years toyotas and hontas cars OTR
DUDE....R U OK



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Nov 12 2013, 06:07 PM

Ya I said for "normal household usage in malaysia" thats about majority of the ppls' need fulfill....at least far more than how much vote coalition could get in the last few PRU so I think 99% still extraordinarily high. then why does Jay still wants to argue about the 1% toyota does better than hontas


Logically speaking, you buy car that fits your purpose. means if you live plantation, rough terrain, harsh road condition , u buy 4WD, pickups, that fits the purpose not sedan car. U don't buy sedan car n goto field and complain of why is it breaking down prematurely.

Industrial area? So u live in one? why don't u just straightaway buy range rover...or Cygnus or Toyota Vigo . those r meant for 'harsh condition' you mentioned.

Besides, just that hontas rarely specialised in 4WD ,pickups and the likes and you are arguing toyota over hontas in a segment they r not particularly strong in and the forte of the toyotas? I think unfair comparison in THAT sense. Actually i for one, do live in an industrial area... but only 4 years, n the roads r REMOTELY flat (edit: and I counted there r about 10 big yellow bumps I've to drive thru , that's about 20 both ways if I go out. I do go out about twice a day.... u do the maths, alot of turnings into my house also, leftrightx5, few roundabouts. SRSLY I hate where i'm living now.) The 9yo honda city is ok with it....and TBH, I do think Msia roads are generally not of good condition but majority of hontas is ok....what do you expect? A gravel road in the whole of msia only u satisfied to say hontas car r OK? lol

I didn't even argue about hontas r more reliable than toyota but merely refute your claims of hontas r not reliable *in a fair level n logic discussion* i.e. nobody gonna drive a honda city around in plantation or pick the wrong car for the right job. There is a reason why sabah has one of the highest 4WD , pickups around in msia....3or 4 out of 10 cars on the road r pickups, 4wd n the likes because of the whole sabah is very unfriendly roads....ppl pick the right car for the right task ok. Hontas more specialised for city use n others that i didnt mentioned

Edit: and SRSLY , ppl less prefer korean cars in sabah, IDK why....so what if reliable. so far T,H,N are doing well here n still relatively reliable even if not as realiable as a Koreans....u think ppl stupiak not buy korean because they r more reliable. and there is alot more than just about reliability when the overall owning a car experience that sadly include RV as well but not the largely of it. and the korean didnt provide the holistic benefit in that sense



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Nov 21 2013, 02:19 AM

I agree to disagree with you. End of our discussion. pls be respectful next time in your post.