Don't buy used French cars especially Peugeot. If you want to know the answer, go ask experienced mechanics and used car dealers. If you want to buy Peugeot, buy new and within the warranty period. Preve Turbo is good value.

ahhh, another dude falling in love with the double edged 308T.

Performance wise
Preve's 'soft' turbo is no match at all compared to 308's twin scroll.

BUT, and it's a big one, the 308's ridiculously high rate engine problems is something you should not take lightly. It's a gamble.

If you decided it, good luck to you, as you will need lots of 'em.

308T is a great machine within the budget. However, avoid eariler batch with 4 speeder.
If you have some knowledge abt car or have no issue to spend times to diagnose the car most of the time. Go for this lovely pretty.
Else or u just wan a 4 rolling wheels vehicle on the rd or u have limit knowledge on car, avoid this double-edge blade. Moreover, this usedcar have no longer in warranty.

Lol!!! Pug is sold all over the world and is famous in hot harsh desert Iran as the locals there luxury dream cars. Even if the Pug doesn't last long, it is still using a globally recognised engine & gearbox.

As for TS:
Preve/Suprima Turbo, the engine design is taken by modifying old MMC 4G92 engine. When MMC merged with Chrysler and wanted to heal its ruined reputation, they took back almost everything from P1. That was when the S4 Campo engine was made after 4G15 is banned from Wajunk. Its turbocharger is obsolete wastegate type turbo that most brands no longer use them due to lag and prone to carbon buildup. Preve/Suprima turbo could only start spinning from 2000rpm or higher, depends on gas pressure. On certain sudden deceleration and needs to accelerate again, the gas pressure might need much higher RPM to spin turbine.

FC wise, refinement and proper turbo go to Pug's Prince THP engine. Want to go for car with turbo, make sure it is Variable Geometry Turbocharger or Twin-scroll Turbocharger that could operate from lower RPM as in Pug THP at 1400rpm with no more lag. Check with Pug owners especially newer batch on maintenance. The earlier Pugs, there have been incompatible issue with our hot & humid climate. The new ones, if they are willing to check our weather and come up with proper parts that could withstand our heat, they should be ok. Can't help you on this as my tech buddies have left Pug technical few years ago.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Oct 23 2013, 11:39 AM

So many techinal terms ya... haha
Anythg to do with the weather?

White is exclusive for Turbo. There's no white 308 VTi.

I'm currently owning a AT4 308T for more than 3 years now. Yes, there were problems. Yes, the maintenance and parts are on the expensive side. And yes, if I were to choose again, I will still choose 308T.

Keep living in your ideal world. Why is it everytime you open your mouth rubbish just flows right out of it?

I am with you, Pogostik. I also own the 4-speeder 308T. Had some depollution errors during the warranty period but the parts was replaced by Nasim satisfactorily. I had a good SC last time which was KS Service. Maintenance actually is not very expensive because you only service the car every 10k km or 2x/year. Each service costs around RM400+ which is actually comparable with the Honda City VTEC 2005 which I previously owned.

As for the blog posted earlier, yes, there were some manufacturing problems in the earlier 308T which caused the timing chain to break. My timing chain is still running good, however there could be some problems with the chain tightener which can loosen and cause depollution problems. There is also a guy on the AW forum, Chargerguy, who is a Pug expert and he has helped me solve several problems.

The parts can be expensive if bought directly from the authorised SC but its cheaper outside. Chargerguy can also help source out cheaper spare parts. Overall, I have enjoyed driving the 308T. It's very stable at high speeds and the turbo is quite addictive. Like Pogostik said, if I were to choose again, I will still choose 308T.

If you want a real honest answer, no matter how, avoid the Peugeot, if not you will be really regret. My colleague was one of the victim, he bought the 308 VTi in 2010 and this car back to service centre not less than 30 times, engine problem, gearbox problem, air cond problems, non-stop until the day he traded-in for another ride and in these 2 years time he lost damn a lot of times, money....... think carefully!

Try not to go for uncertained vehicles which will bring you problems later on. Why not buy new? Nasim's after-sales are notoriously known to be poor, and in the even of a breakdown and parts need to be replaced, it's not only you are paying more for these replacement parts but the possibility that you may need to wait for several weeks for the parts to be available. Few friends who owned Peugeot don't have much good words for it when it comes to reliability and maintenance. When it comes to driving, it can be good. But when problem crops up after warranty period, then you will feel it. Especially if warranty period is over.

The Preve is quite a solid car with decent handling. Only the Turbo engine is not very refined and loud but guess that is what to expect for a vehicle that's below RM70k. Brand new you have peace of mind.

And I believe Proton's after-sales service is anytime better than Peugeot Nasim's too.

308 prince engine ka? heard very problematic wooo

we own a white 308T in my family, and it is one of the most problematic car..

Aircond broke down less than a year and i saw the bill to change the thermometer and cooling fins.. RM4.5k++ (under warranty) and even so.. we had to wait for 1 month and had to drive without air cond due to parts being brought in from France..

Even the windscreen water spray (left side) stopped working less than 2 years and again, had to wait for more than a month to change part.

Also, the air cond is very weak for the 308. i believe the air conditioning system was not made for a hot weather like what we have here. It takes significantly longer time to cool the car down.

In simple;
Preve is a normal girl with no surprise , normal maintenance, no kicks... = boring
308T is a wild girl, more tricks, heavier maintenance, always merajuk... = more excitement

What are you looking for?

How about the performance , is it comparable to 05 City vtec too?

At first , of course, I would immediately thought that the 308T can out accelerate the city vtec but after I came across 308T official 0-100 is 9.1s ....that reminded me of the city vtec launch by WKN was around 9.1s too...however, unofficial 0-60 time but it's close...

so I'm asking u since u own both cars

The Honda City can accelerate 0-100km/h in 9.1s? Stock std?

I believe so. but I m not 100% confirm. To verify, you have to dig abit from WongKN articles. he did a detailed write-up on the city vtec.

but it should be stock cuz he was testing various launch mode with the car and the best one was about 9.s....if modding it would defeat the purpose ady.

He is my friend. I will ask him. AFAIK, it takes about 11-12s to do 0-100km/h.

This post has been edited by htkaki: Oct 23 2013, 11:10 PM

Updates : It's the Jazz Hybrid (CBU). It clocked 9.9s. He can't remember the exact time for City iVTEC but definitely not that fast. So, I guess it is about 11-12s.

No. Cars like Vios/City reach the century sprint in 11s-12s. If its less than 10 seconds, lots of cars no need to sell liao.

We would see so many ah bengs on the road with Vios / City intimidating others to race everyday. LOL

Some people are so imaginative that they think there is a VTEC "kick" in a City 1.5. Gosh, fanboyism has reached new level~

I usually feel very respectful for most of your replies....very 'professional' kind of way but you really sound funny tonight

R u so enjoice putting down ppl? "LOL" somemore

Mistake can happen. and it's nthg to do with fanboyism...you're so dead wrong on that and u think u r so smart by mocking. but i can honestly tell you, if i was wrong, then it was my mistake of wrong memory or wrong reading. i'll try to find that article back if i could, but still, im telling u that u r wrong of so quick to coming to judge/mock ppl to feel superior. exaggeration somemore...what new level. is your life so lack of drama you've to dramatise your reply when u can simply point out that i'm wrong then I go back to check on my facts , if I was not lazy but I think I should for my own sake so that I can prove to myself if it was my memory really degrading on me....


=UPDATES=

the below is written by wongkn in his article May 2005 and all the 10 tries of 0-60mph are sub 9s

""As can be seen, the Jazz 1.5 VTEC returned quite unexpectedly good results, to me at least. It consistently did the 0-60mph run at a time of between 8.7 to 9.0 seconds for an average of just above 8.8 seconds !! This was really astonishing especially at the time I was doing the runs. By comparison, the 'reference' cars in the mid-sized and full-sized 'sports-sedan' segment, the Civic 2.0 i-VTEC and the local Accord 2.4 i-VTEC returned averaged times of 8.5 and 8.6 seconds respectively, not a lot faster than what the Jazz did !

This optimum acceleration rate and lack of gearshift are the 2 key factors to the great time of 8.8 seconds for the 0-60mph run."""

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/JazzVtec/

So, are you saying now....that many cars no need to sell liao and alot of driving honda city are ahbeng on the road race everyday?

Well, I own a 05 city vtec....I'm a car enthusiast but not a riceboy as my car is completely stock with only customised floor mat, a window visor, a cheaplak low profile duckbill spoiler and a tomcat exhaust (totally less than 1k spent on car modding in 8 years of ownership) which i eventually took down as i given the car to my mom to drive now but yes, I certainly like to play 'racing ' with drivers who always tiong other car for simply that I like speed to feel I'm alive...but that's about it. So you are wrong again about ahbeng becuz i'm far from it.


But actually , that u have mentioned it, I kinda doubt about that result that sub 9s is slightly far-fetched....however, i think high 9s is achieveble tho but surely will be inconsistent. but it is true that vtec city 05 is quicker than Sentra 1.6 auto, Altis 1.6 auto, Vios 1.5 auto, Switft 1.5 auto, Waja 1.6 auto, Gen2 auto on factory paper.

=UPDATE #2=

QUOTE
"Left foot on the brake pedal, lightly squeeze the throttle and feel the
gearbox tension up and let go of the brake for the launch"--- City Vtech
Article

"Looking at the chart, the effect of a good and not so good run can be
clearly seen. The two data points on the 'wrong side' of 11 seconds were
from a less than optimal launch. But once I developed a 'feel' for the
launching method, it was relatively easy to get it consistently right and
this is clearly shown by the majority of the runs delivering times below
11 seconds"--- City idsi Performance check article.

Another site edmunds.com in their 2007 article, tested the jazz 0-60mph sprint for 9.3s

Economy and power
Both trim levels for this front-drive, five-door hatchback (the Fit is offered in base and Sport trim) feature a 1.5-liter, 109-horsepower VTEC four-cylinder engine. Delivering 105 pound-feet of torque at 4,800 rpm, it posted a 9.3-second, 0-60-mph sprint.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 24 2013, 03:09 AM