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WisdomTrumps
post Dec 3 2013, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 01:52 AM)
I started a biz on november 2012. The best advise i would recommend to you is that please avoid biz with friends/relative and the most important part is B&W. Yes everything need B&W. Dont fall with janji janji manis. I sudah kena and now insaf already.
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Thanks Donphatz for sharing.

I agree that everything should be in B&W!

To your point about doing biz with friends and relative, I feel it really depends on your understanding and relationship with that person. There are plenty of people who advice against this but there are also plenty that succeeded by working with family or friends.

Regardless who you are partnering up with, i think it's important that the both of you are comfortable enough to share everything and be straight with one another. Cause in the end, a weak partnership could break your business.

Good luck to you and hope your biz well.
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post Dec 3 2013, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 01:52 AM)
I started a biz on november 2012. The best advise i would recommend to you is that please avoid biz with friends/relative and the most important part is B&W. Yes everything need B&W. Dont fall with janji janji manis. I sudah kena and now insaf already.
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I guess I seen this kind of story before from sifu sifu from this thread. Partnership, got to be very careful.

Btw, direct family like Father & Son is ok as we don't look at $$ too tightly biggrin.gif
LawrenceTan
post Dec 3 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(kenneths88 @ Dec 3 2013, 01:06 PM)
I guess I seen this kind of story before from sifu sifu from this thread. Partnership, got to be very careful.

Btw, direct family like Father & Son is ok as we don't look at $$ too tightly  biggrin.gif
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Provided son or father are not a gambler. I have a friend his father was a gambler, after they make some money his father start to have the habit to gamble again and in the end company wind up as well.

my advice is try to not hook up with any family members especially in business if possible, even though hiring a relative is a trouble also. You put your family relationship in steep when allocate workload, increase wages and firing if the person is not good.
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(dragontongue88 @ Nov 29 2013, 08:50 PM)
Hi want to share something here for those who are very green and unfamiliar with business (like me). Here's what I learnt, the hard way, when trying to contact suppliers:

1. If your capital is small, and you are likely to make small orders when purchasing wholesale, a lot of suppliers will choose to ignore you cause you are simply not worth their time. Sad, harsh, but understandable...  sad.gif

2. If you email them using a generic email (i.e. hotmail, gmail) they will ignore you as they don't think you are a serious businessman. Your email may even get caught in their spam filter.

3. The biggest thing: Finding out the price you need to pay for wholesale products. Now to us laymen, if you want to sell a product, surely you must have a price for it. The prices are like holy grails to suppliers, they keep it very close to their chests and would never reveal their wholesale prices easily. Most suppliers would like proof that you are a genuine businessman before revealing their wholesale prices, such as business registration.

So here is the conundrum, you are trying to do a business research, trying to determine if a particular business is profitable and worth investing in. So you would like to know the cost of goods to estimate potential profits. But suppliers would generally ignore you unless you are a registered business with a business email address aka serious customer. It doesn't make much sense for a person to register a business, only to find after obtaining price quotations that he/she doesn't find the profit attractive enough to pursue the business. So you end up caught in a Catch-22 situation.  rclxub.gif

Solution? I'm not sure I have any.... How to avoid email being ignored? Perhaps phone calls to suppliers are harder to ignore. brows.gif Or save up till you have a large capital, then wave it in front of the faces of those suppliers to show that you are a potential big customer, then maybe they will be more cooperative.  laugh.gif

For me, I'm going to give up trying to start a video games selling business for now. Perhaps I'll try looking into a business that requires lower capital, low value goods.... Or maybe services based business. Save up more money in the near future. So yea, a hard lesson I learnt which I want to share to those who are looking to enter into the business world. I wasted time, energy and also embarassed myself in the process of learning this lesson. But at least I didn't lose any money.  laugh.gif
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Thanks for your sharing dragontongue88, I believed it will help a lot of fresh individual who like to kickstart a micro trading business.

Starting a business is not an easy task, you require marketing,financial,legal,accounting,inventory,sales knowledge to run a business. Plan a financial budget and manage your own risk is the key to minimize your rish to failure. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:23 PM

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Direct Selling is cool, though there are some direct selling businesses that are not worth patronizing, especially direct selling products like clothes, shoes, etc. When a seller show you the flyers of their products, it's usually different on actual. I don't know with others but I experienced it myself and those flyers are really enticing. happy.gif

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post Dec 3 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(WisdomTrumps @ Dec 3 2013, 10:00 AM)
Thanks Donphatz for sharing.

I agree that everything should be in B&W!

To your point about doing biz with friends and relative, I feel it really depends on your understanding and relationship with that person. There are plenty of people who advice against this but there are also plenty that succeeded by working with family or friends.

Regardless who you are partnering up with, i think it's important that the both of you are comfortable enough to share everything and be straight with one another. Cause in the end, a weak partnership could break your business.

Good luck to you and hope your biz well.
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My partner are the kind of person that would not take any advise from anyone including me. Already talk to him about agreement but he refused and dont want to sign. Problem arise since our sales has been better and better. He said it is his idea and he should get more on the profit. He is the kind of person who say "A" today, then say "B" tomorrow and next week would say "C". Pening ooo. rclxub.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 04:35 PM)
My partner are the kind of person that would not take any advise from anyone including me. Already talk to him about agreement but he refused and dont want to sign. Problem arise since our sales has been better and better. He said it is his idea and he should get more on the profit. He is the kind of person who say "A" today, then say "B" tomorrow and next week would say "C". Pening ooo.  rclxub.gif
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Partnership is some times necessary. The common reasons are insufficient funds, knowledge, experience, network etc etc. Basically you need a partner to cover up the gaps in your business plan.

So that's why the most important 1st step is to put every clearly in B&W, touch all the woods you want while writing & signing the B&W, it'll save you during time of crisis. Next step is you probably wanna make it a Sdn Bhd, just for the limited liability & higher compliance. This is to ensure that your partner don't accidentally put you or the business in some mess that you don't know head & tail. Ensure all the cheques requires at least 2 signatures before it can be processed.

Lastly if it's possible, buy out your partner's share whenever you're ready to be on your own.


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post Dec 3 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Dec 3 2013, 04:53 PM)
Partnership is some times necessary. The common reasons are insufficient funds, knowledge, experience, network etc etc. Basically you need a partner to cover up the gaps in your business plan.

So that's why the most important 1st step is to put every clearly in B&W, touch all the woods you want while writing & signing the B&W, it'll save you during time of crisis. Next step is you probably wanna make it a Sdn Bhd, just for the limited liability & higher compliance. This is to ensure that your partner don't accidentally put you or the business in some mess that you don't know head & tail. Ensure all the cheques requires at least 2 signatures before it can be processed.

Lastly if it's possible, buy out your partner's share whenever you're ready to be on your own.
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Agree. But as im new in biz and my partner are 3-4years experience in biz he tend to push me around. For few months i can tolerate but as time past, i was not able to be patience. Im willing to let go the biz and wanted to sell my shares. Best part is my partner think that when i sell my share he should get 50% of the money i got. Although got no B&W saying that, he still thinks this is a norm in biz.
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post Dec 3 2013, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 05:16 PM)
Agree. But as im new in biz and my partner are 3-4years experience in biz he tend to push me around. For few months i can tolerate but as time past, i was not able to be patience. Im willing to let go the biz and wanted to sell my shares. Best part is my partner think that when i sell my share he should get 50% of the money i got. Although got no B&W saying that, he still thinks this is a norm in biz.
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You should tell him rubbish. you sell the shares which belong to you why must he share the money with you? also you should let him know, Ideas is cheap without execution. Executor/contributor deserve more than a words or ideas.
WisdomTrumps
post Dec 4 2013, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(MarkDJ @ Dec 3 2013, 04:23 PM)
Direct Selling is cool, though there are some direct selling businesses that are not worth patronizing, especially direct selling products like clothes, shoes, etc. When a seller show you the flyers of their products, it's usually different on actual. I don't know with others but I experienced it myself and those flyers are really enticing.  happy.gif
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When you say Direct Selling, did you mean selling of tangible goods?? or those MLM?

But yea haha flyers are suppose to attract people's attention and to create awareness. I can't say I never fell for it but the curiosity got the best of me sometime haha.

QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 04:35 PM)
My partner are the kind of person that would not take any advise from anyone including me. Already talk to him about agreement but he refused and dont want to sign. Problem arise since our sales has been better and better. He said it is his idea and he should get more on the profit. He is the kind of person who say "A" today, then say "B" tomorrow and next week would say "C". Pening ooo.  rclxub.gif
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Your experience will be a very good lesson to us potential new business owner.

Yea it sounds like someone who is really difficult to deal with. Egoistic and Arrogant personality. I don't know whats the relationship between you and your partner but things seem to be escalating.

Btw when he said he should get more on the profit, does he also mean he willing to bear more of the expenses? Did you both put in an equal share into the business?

QUOTE(NightHeart @ Dec 3 2013, 04:53 PM)
Partnership is some times necessary. The common reasons are insufficient funds, knowledge, experience, network etc etc. Basically you need a partner to cover up the gaps in your business plan.

So that's why the most important 1st step is to put every clearly in B&W, touch all the woods you want while writing & signing the B&W, it'll save you during time of crisis. Next step is you probably wanna make it a Sdn Bhd, just for the limited liability & higher compliance. This is to ensure that your partner don't accidentally put you or the business in some mess that you don't know head & tail. Ensure all the cheques requires at least 2 signatures before it can be processed.

Lastly if it's possible, buy out your partner's share whenever you're ready to be on your own.
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I agree. We hear way too many people having issue with their partners, and it always started out from innocent partnership where "trust" is the only contract between the them. Trust is required but it is not enough.

QUOTE(Donphatz @ Dec 3 2013, 05:16 PM)
Agree. But as im new in biz and my partner are 3-4years experience in biz he tend to push me around. For few months i can tolerate but as time past, i was not able to be patience. Im willing to let go the biz and wanted to sell my shares. Best part is my partner think that when i sell my share he should get 50% of the money i got. Although got no B&W saying that, he still thinks this is a norm in biz.
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My advise, consult a lawyer first.
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post Dec 5 2013, 10:08 AM

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Hey brick and mortar biz owners... am planning to set up a website to show company services and profile... so far how useful has it been to you?

Doubled your sales?
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post Dec 5 2013, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Dec 5 2013, 10:08 AM)
Hey brick and mortar biz owners... am planning to set up a website to show company services and profile... so far how useful has it been to you?

Doubled your sales?
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depends on how well navigation your website is.

if it's simple efficient and visitors can find what they want in less than 3 clicks, then good.

max 5 clicks. if more than 5 clicks, then people won't bother to click further since your business is about services.

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post Dec 5 2013, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Dec 5 2013, 11:33 AM)
depends on how well navigation your website is.

if it's simple efficient and visitors can find what they want in less than 3 clicks, then good.

max 5 clicks. if more than 5 clicks, then people won't bother to click further since your business is about services.
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So for your biz after u put up website, how much increase in business?

Thx.
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Dec 5 2013, 11:39 AM)
So for your biz after u put up website, how much increase in business?

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errr

increase in sales?

increase in visitors?

increase in branding?

hmm.gif i'm sorry but different website has different personality. thus, different statistics.

but website DO give you the brand exposure thou. if you don't design the website cheapskate la.
victorwan
post Dec 5 2013, 12:17 PM

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Hi all,

I am planning to open a Sports Shop in a shopping mall.

Any advice on this business?

Thinking for a 1000sq ft area to sell merchandize such as Adidas, Nike, Puma etc. sport products.

Worth to do ?

Any supplier can introduce?

Thanks.

LawrenceTan
post Dec 5 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Dec 5 2013, 12:17 PM)
Hi all,

I am planning to open a Sports Shop in a shopping mall.

Any advice on this business?

Thinking for a 1000sq ft area to sell merchandize such as Adidas, Nike, Puma etc. sport products.

Worth to do ?

Any supplier can introduce?

Thanks.
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Worthy to do it or not it depends on your local market demand.
Does your town people active in sports? How many pontetial consumer in your market who need sports equipment? How many competitor in your town? If yes does the demand high enough to fit the supply? There are several question you have to answer it and conduct a market survey before you spend your money on it.

Supplier side...hmmm... there are seveal distributor in Malaysia for the sport equipment and some home-grown brand. You have to spend some times to do your homework, most of them you may find their contact number or email online.
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Dec 5 2013, 11:40 AM)
So for your biz after u put up website, how much increase in business?

Thx.
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If you are offline business, a website act more like a branding & marketing stuff.

At least before people deal with you they can actually find out who are you & what you do. You gain trust from automated marketing and sales will come from you. If you intend to gauge the conversion through website, do a after sales survey from your consumer where do they find you. That is one of the metric for you to find out.
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post Dec 5 2013, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Dec 5 2013, 12:17 PM)
Hi all,

I am planning to open a Sports Shop in a shopping mall.

Any advice on this business?

Thinking for a 1000sq ft area to sell merchandize such as Adidas, Nike, Puma etc. sport products.

Worth to do ?

Any supplier can introduce?

Thanks.
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Hi Victorwan,

Is there any existing sport shop in the shopping mall?
What differentiate you from your competitors?
Is it your passion to sell sport merchandise?
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post Dec 5 2013, 03:38 PM

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update from my side
haven't contributing to this thread for quite long time already sweat.gif

Type of SME: Polycarbonate Roofing and Grille

Capital: RM5k
a. Welding set (MIG) - RM2,300
b. Air compressor - RM1,200
c. Raw material - RM2,000+-

Partner : 1

Location : Malacca.

Monthly Income : Depends on project, gross profit for each project is 80% of raw material cost.

Workers : me and my partner

Duration : less than 1 year. considerably fail due to partner lack of discipline. work based on his mood and delay project up to 3 months. total loss is RM7k because need to refund customer deposit.

Opinion : very easy to manage if you have full time worker with welding and fitting capability. low initial cost with huge profit up to 150% depends on the project. but this kind of work need to spent lot of time for work preparation and part time worker might not suitable to chase customer deadline

This post has been edited by suadrif: Dec 5 2013, 03:39 PM
victorwan
post Dec 5 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(LawrenceTan @ Dec 5 2013, 01:25 PM)
Worthy to do it or not it depends on your local market demand.
Does your town people active in sports? How many pontetial consumer in your market who need sports equipment? How many competitor in your town? If yes does the demand high enough to fit the supply? There are several question you have to answer it and conduct a market survey before you spend your money on it.

Supplier side...hmmm... there are seveal distributor in Malaysia for the sport equipment and some home-grown brand. You have to spend some times to do your homework, most of them you may find their contact number or email online.
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Thanks for your reply.

The shopping mall is in Cheras area near middle income residential areas.

And currently, there is no other similar shop. Only 1 shop but they are selling sports shoes only.

Mostly selling those sports equipment involved Malaysian sports such as Badminton, Football, Hockey, Squash, Sepak Takraw etc.

Not sure the demand high or not but still doing research now.

Found a lot of supplier or distributor in the Internet but wanted to get some good and trustable one from here.

Thanks for your feedback.

This post has been edited by victorwan: Dec 5 2013, 04:19 PM

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