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 The Shrimp Thing, All About Shrimp - Neocaridina & Others

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post Apr 14 2014, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 12 2014, 02:46 PM)
Do anyone have idea, what the commercial product is neccessary/must have to keep the CRS always health .

This is to to help us buy the right thing with minimum cost to keep CRS .. i am start to comment with mosura product , other brand like borneowild and so on . please comment as well. if you feel something that is the must , please comment why as well.
1.) what is neccessary/ must for crs

- mineral plus      ( to ensure GH level is alway maintain)
- BT9    ( to ensure the good bactera to minimize nitrite issue)
- old sea mud powder  (to ensure the trace element exist in water , it require for CRS )

2.) What is extra /add on for crs

- MOSURA Eros
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Bro, if you really into crs, before getting additives and soil, start with the water first,
prepare to use full RO water, why? cos water is the basic of all, and with RO water pureness , you forgo tap water impurities and
you are precise in getting the exact parameter with the additives you gonna use.

For example in this setup, very basic with full RO water.
Soil - Benibachi or borneowild shrimp soil.
Additive - Mosura Mineral plus.
After setup tank with soil and full RO water , dose mosura mineral plus to get your desired GH and Tds,
cos of the PH 7(neutral), zero GH and <10 TDS reading of RO water ,the GH and TDS you getting from dosing mosura mineral plus
can be very accurate, This will minimize error and pinpoint problem to other field if problem rise in parameters.



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post Apr 14 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Apr 14 2014, 11:49 AM)
I never changed nor washed. I just change the wool filter. Afraid will disturb the media. Also due to water shortage and resupply with not so clean water, I never do water change, just top up like 3 litres in 2 days as I use fan to cool the water down. So far so good. shocking.gif

Btw, saw some newborn shrimplets on blue shrimp tank, brown shrimp tank, fire red shrimp tank and cherry shrimp tank!!! feeling  rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
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unless necessary , don't change filter media , if change , do it gradually.
Sis, if your tap water is bad, you can change with bottled RO or distilled water, but don't change so much, 5-10% as starter as full RO water will
reduce your GH, TDS.
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post Apr 14 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Apr 14 2014, 12:19 PM)
Now water supply is stable. Further iam putting in the Super Bacteria Bee Max and Benibachi Crimson Balls in the tank. Everyone is happy in the tank. Yet to put in the mineral rocks.
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sis, the super nacteria bee max also a breeding/molting additives, don't put too much , put little first.
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post Apr 15 2014, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 15 2014, 08:27 AM)
Do you vacumn gravel after period of time even have ugf ? I found crs so many waste produce .
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No, unless really necessary, as for sensitive shrimps like crs, there is always risk when disturbing the substrate.
The shrimp poo may look alot but it is nothing if you compare with fishes. The bacteria in the substrate will take care of these poo.
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post Apr 15 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 15 2014, 05:01 PM)
My shrimp is look alway hiding , i believe there are not that happy by water parameter. my NH3 and 4 is " 0 " , i may need measure NO2.
Allright , thats y i think bottom UGF is important. As now mine is without UGF and wrongly soil used.
i will aim to have a UGF and bough new soil to re-setup....

After read through from here , it look benebachi brand is look look more reliable . please correct me if i am wrong. . just wonder what is the necessary for substrate and gravel require ? example : nutrient and bacteria
what is the first layer on top of UGF ?

What is the roughly total price for 3 ft tank to setup on this ?

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For Benibachi full setup :

UGF -> Benibachi Bacter Base -> 1cm of Benibachi soil -> Benibachi Bee Max -> 0.5-1cm of Benibachi soil -> Benibachi Mineral Powder -> The rest of Benibachi soil -> (optional)->put some powder form of benibachi soil on top the normal grain.

For 3ft tank, this may cost quite a dent as
Soil require 12L(3cm thick) - 20L(5cm thick) . each 8L bag cost RM114.00
Bacter Base - 3L to cover 90x45cm base - each 1.5L bag cost rm67.00
Benibachi Bee Max 30g - need 2 pack for 3ft , each pack cost rm67.00
Benibachi Mineral Powder 120g . need 2 pack . each pack cost rm57.00
Benibachi Mineral rock 300g for 60L water, so 3ft around 150L water , need around 750g , 1 pack 1kg cost rm82.00
(Optional)Benibachi powder soil loose pack 3L , cost around rm50-60.

If follow full system, you have to use :
Benibachi Active water 250ml RM114.00 (kick start bacteria) (dose during setup & maintenance)
Benibachi Emergency water 100ml rm77.00 (mineral and trace elements) (dose during setup & maintenance)

Optional :
Benibachi crimson ball 1 box 10 ball - rm100.00++
Benibachi Alpha zero slab - rm55.00

These are Benibachi system for CRS setup.

Above are excluding tank, UGF, additional filter , chiller and light system.

Rough cost for just the benibachi stuff for 3ft cost around rm900 - 1k++ alone excluding Tank, UGF, Air pump , additional Filter & light.

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post Apr 15 2014, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 15 2014, 09:17 PM)
Wao , it look costly. For near 1k . Do you try borneowild soil before ? Is that soil can keep the water parameter for shrimp ?
If 1k use for merely 2 years, it look so pain ... please let me know if ADA or borneowild can provide same effect.
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ADA soil Not suitable for UGF , Borneowild soil not cheap either, and Borneowild copy benibachi soil formula and not 100% as effective.
Ppl use benibachi full setup cos of the proven result and they intend to keep high grade crs, these crs cost > rm50 - rm200 per tails, so the cost of benibachi setup is tiny compare with shrimp price.
You can reduce the setup cost by 40-50% if you start with a 2ft tank.
if you want cheaper setup , you can just use
ugf - benibachi soil - mineral rock with full RO water, then
dose mosura mineral plus to get the desired gh and tds.

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post Apr 17 2014, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 15 2014, 11:39 PM)
Allright , why u say ADA soil suitable for ugf ?if ADA soil will it keep water paeameter suitable for crs like gh 3-6 kh 0 and ph sligh acid ? Is ADA soil suitable for crs ?
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Oh, sorry , missed the 'Not'
should be - ADA soil not suitable for to use UGF.
Yes, you can use ADA amazonia soil for crs, just more care to be taken before this soil is safe for shrimps as ADA soil contain high level of ammonia which intended for plants,
these ammonia will continue to leech from the bottom substrate even the tank seem cycled as if you disturb the soil like vacuuming, moving embedded stone/wood, shrimps digging soil
etc. That why it take much longer period for ADA soil to be ready safe for shrimps.


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post Apr 18 2014, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 18 2014, 01:44 PM)
Arrow, thanks lot for the answer. Erm... when we use the RO water for CRS tank . It is not require to put in any anti chlorine thingy , right ?
the NH3 and NH4 , NO2 is better in 0.. just woonder what is the tolerate level for nitrate NO3 for CRS ? any idea ?
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Using reliable RO water , no need anti chlorine,
NO3 nitrate for Crs , max is 40ppm. Neocaridina is 80ppm.
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post Apr 20 2014, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 19 2014, 11:06 PM)
Allright,did you know anywhere can bought the tds calibration liquid ?
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TDS measure using TDS tester pen, like this -> http://www.tdsmeter.com/products/tds3.html

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post Apr 23 2014, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ Apr 21 2014, 02:30 PM)
benibachi shrimp ? benibachi got sell shrimp as well ?
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bro, Benibachi is the only one in japan that have his own shrimps farm.
see here


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post Apr 29 2014, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(bg2014 @ Apr 29 2014, 04:29 PM)
Hey guys, one of my tanks is very strange. It's a four months old 2ft tank with CRS living in it. Initially there were 10 CRS added to the tank when the tank is almost one and a half month old and there are 9 of them still alive at the moment.

When the tank was close to 2 months old, I put some Fire Yellow in to the tank and none of them last a month.

Last week I tried putting some Red Cherry, like 18 of them, into the tank and there were like 5 - 8 of them died within 2 days... Then I moved the rest of them to another tank immediately...

It seems like that 2ft tank is not able to keep Neocaridina shrimps, I wonder what's going on with my tank...

Has anyone experienced the same problem as mine? How did you overcome that?

I'd really like to keep some beautiful Neocaridina Shrimps with my CRS.

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Bro, how are you!

We need some info about this neocaridina killer tank, PH , GH , TDS ?
Neocaridina can adjust to different parameters readily , just that TDS if too low(below 160) can pose some problem
for them.
Its they died after molt?

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post Apr 30 2014, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(bg2014 @ Apr 30 2014, 10:28 AM)
I'm quite fine, but the Neo shrimps are not  cry.gif

I only have PH and Ammonia tester now, PH is 6.0, Ammonia 0.

I'm sure the TDS should not be lower than 160 since I'm using tap water with Tension Gon anti-chlorine.

Some of them died after molt, some of them just died with no reason.

btw, Im thinking of buying a GH tester, any idea which of the brands out there should I buy? Some of my buddies said the API GH tester is very difficult to differentiate between colors while Sera is better, other said otherwise... So i'm kinda confuse now  shakehead.gif
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Like jirochl , im using sera gh tester as well.

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post May 10 2014, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(whitehawk @ May 9 2014, 06:59 PM)
other than Mosura Mineral Plus what other products can i use?
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you can also use borneowild GH up powder or Up Aqua GH Builder (liquid form),
to raise just PH , use benibachi PH up powder.
If you want cheapest and don't care about future parameters run, can put few old rm0.50 pcs of coral stone in your filter compartment,
your PH, GH , KH and TDS will rise gradually.

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post May 10 2014, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ May 10 2014, 01:47 AM)
Any recommendations to make my shrimps more horny?
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Dose mating additives like borneowild dance, benibachi breeding aid liquid, mosura ero.
but make sure your colony is stable and no problem in molting before you use these as all additives will induce molting.
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post May 13 2014, 12:13 PM

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Benibachi is more of a complete proven workable system for keeping crs, this especially useful for people with no knowledge of keeping shrimps and like to start with these sensitive crs shrimp.
This doesn't mean other setup won't work, lot of people able to keep crs with their own unique setup, just that lot of trial and error in doing so.
For own setup, basic stuff must care for is water quality (that why encourage to use full RO water),
Gh , ph , tds and temperature of the tank.
How you achieve these correct parameters is up to individuals twinking.
QUOTE(bluecoat @ May 13 2014, 09:32 AM)
hi Arrow,since benibachi setup so expensive. Do you think we can invest acid RO system with just remineralize water ? If can,the soil shall no require to change ? Since soil buffer is not important after have acid ro water.
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post May 14 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(bluecoat @ May 14 2014, 12:26 PM)
Thanks for the info, anyway my aquarium gh level is only 3 .  It is not that good for crs and the optinum level is 6, right ? Correct me if I am wrong.  I am using fluval gh increaser. What is the recommend brand gh increaser which is more than 3 ?
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GH range is 4-6 , cos it depend on what type of crs, better ask the seller what gh they be breed and keep in.

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post May 22 2014, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(kuraku @ May 21 2014, 10:15 AM)
anyone sell neocaridina sp. ? RCS etc...

pm best price/pcs.

cod bb bangi. i already pm TS but not reply yet.
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pmed you , sorry , quite busy lately.
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post May 24 2014, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ May 23 2014, 11:19 AM)
Guys, wanna ask your opinion on this.

My company is doing the annual chemical warfare again ie spraying disinfectant. Last time when this happened, it totally nuked my office tank killing everything inside even though I covered the top of my tank with newspaper.

So this time I'm thinking of the following

- removing the filter and air pump
- put the filter media into a bag and put it into the tank
- add charcoal as precaution.
- turn off lights
- seal the tank with plastic food wrap.

Tank info
- 30cm tank with plants (anubias, massimo algae and frogbits)
- small population of 1 snail, 4 adult and 2 juvenile cherries.

you may want to reduce the water lvl too before seal as to allow more space for oxygen in the tank.


Do you guys think this will work for 48hours?
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post May 24 2014, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ May 24 2014, 04:27 PM)
Anyway... tanks sealed. Wish me luck

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o ..missing word on my reply ..ahahhahah
just want to said , reduce water lvl to allow more air in the tank.
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post May 27 2014, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Candlenie @ May 26 2014, 04:26 PM)
guys, wanna ask something. My tank is a well cycled tank (about 6 months already) but seems like my shrimps dont usually survive more than 1 month in the tank sad.gif

malayan seems fine, but yamato usually will go missing after few weeks.

There is no soil in the tank, full of anubias, and with normal fishes only (tetras, glass catfish, borneo suckers and 2 snails)

normally whats the main cause of shrimps dying?
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from what i see , your tank should around 40-45cm length, these fish you keep put alot of stress on small dwarf shrimps,
yamato are well known jumper, you may want to check behind your tank on floor for any dry prawn.
Adding coral stone , will increas ph, gh , kh and tds , if your water is more acid , it will help buffer it up, don't put too much, one to two small
old rm0.50cents coin size is enough.
Create more hiding space for shrimps since after molt they very vulnerable to attack.

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