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 The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.22, NEW RUMORE Nikon DF!

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post Oct 12 2013, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 12 2013, 12:26 AM)
Hey man, nice to see you here brows.gif
Eh? I thought you were looking for cameras that are not-lens interchangeable?  laugh.gif
Yeah, the D3100/3200/5100/5200 are entry level cameras, good for beginners since the interfaces are made in such a way that they are easier to understand  thumbup.gif
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Actually I really went to Sony shop today and look for RX100 but the boss over there said RX100 no longer sell, only RX100 v2, then the boss recommend me buy so len interchangeable one for more future proof. lol laugh.gif So now came check out nikon/canon/sony between this 3 brand got which best buck for entry level dslr tongue.gif

what are the different between "Compact Interchangeable-Lens Cameras" and "Digital SLRs"?
I read an article here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369450,00.asp

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 01:51 AM)
Actually I really went to Sony shop today and look for RX100 but the boss over there said RX100 no longer sell, only RX100 v2, then the boss recommend me buy so len interchangeable one for more future proof. lol laugh.gif So now came check out nikon/canon/sony between this 3 brand got which best buck for entry level dslr tongue.gif

what are the different between "Compact Interchangeable-Lens Cameras" and "Digital SLRs"?
I read an article here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369450,00.asp
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Oct 11 2013, 09:58 AM)
Should be Rm 2800-2900. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Oct 12 2013, 01:59 AM)
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Came back to share a pic taken with ur 5DM3? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 12 2013, 12:26 AM)
Hey man, nice to see you here brows.gif
Eh? I thought you were looking for cameras that are not-lens interchangeable?  laugh.gif
Yeah, the D3100/3200/5100/5200 are entry level cameras, good for beginners since the interfaces are made in such a way that they are easier to understand  thumbup.gif
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Especially the guide mode in the D3100/D3200... That helped me a lot when i just started... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(alpha001 @ Oct 11 2013, 11:48 PM)
wow, why you want entire focal range covered, are u a journalist? hmm.gif
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Nope, I am a newbie. So thought of exploring the available focal lengths to know more about my photography preference. blush.gif

Any advice? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Oct 12 2013, 12:05 AM)
whats wrong with owning a lot of glass? hehe but i think if got 18-105 then no need 18-55 dy la.. 70-200 better ! *runs*
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Do you think owning a 18-70 and a 70-300 is a good combo? Or 18-135 and 70-300?

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 01:51 AM)
Actually I really went to Sony shop today and look for RX100 but the boss over there said RX100 no longer sell, only RX100 v2, then the boss recommend me buy so len interchangeable one for more future proof. lol laugh.gif So now came check out nikon/canon/sony between this 3 brand got which best buck for entry level dslr tongue.gif

what are the different between "Compact Interchangeable-Lens Cameras" and "Digital SLRs"?
I read an article here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369450,00.asp
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Mirrorless cameras, as the name suggest, does not have a mirror which reflects what the lens "see" and showing it to the user through an optical viewfinder. Because of that, they can be designed and built in a much smaller profile unlike DSLRs. With that, you get a lot more portability at a minor expense in terms of ergonomics and comfort, a compensation many are willing to make nod.gif

So I guess it all depends on you, if you like to keep things simple and light when you go out, then its definitely a mirrorless camera for you. Go for the ones with larger sensors like the NEX series for better performance icon_rolleyes.gif

If you are looking for a beginner level DSLR, then its usually: Nikon D3200/D5100, Canon 600D/650D, Sony a58 to consider icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(exquisite_markas @ Oct 12 2013, 10:34 AM)
Nope, I am a newbie. So thought of exploring the available focal lengths to know more about my photography preference.  blush.gif

Any advice? notworthy.gif
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My advice is, save the money laugh.gif
18-105mm is good enough for you to learn~
Save the money for the next lens (which will undoubtedly be more expensive) after you are done familiarizing with the kitlens haha XD
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 12 2013, 10:39 AM)
My advice is, save the money laugh.gif
18-105mm is good enough for you to learn~
Save the money for the next lens (which will undoubtedly be more expensive) after you are done familiarizing with the kitlens  haha XD
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So your advice is get the 18-105 and forget about 18-55, 18-70 and 18-135?

But the 18-70 comes with a metal mount. So tempting. drool.gif
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QUOTE(exquisite_markas @ Oct 12 2013, 10:45 AM)
So your advice is get the 18-105 and forget about 18-55, 18-70 and 18-135?

But the 18-70 comes with a metal mount. So tempting.  drool.gif
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Most beginners started with 18-55 I suppose haha XD
18-105mm is already a relative luxury~

I started off with a 18-105mm, and managed to try alot of things with that lens alone nod.gif
Some might say the kitlens is not very sharp, but with a little bit of pp, that can be easily rectified laugh.gif

Its not until 1 year later that I get a 50mm prime brows.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Oct 12 2013, 02:50 AM)
pretty much like you choosing desktop or laptop  hmm.gif
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oh man, that was nightmare for me. sweat.gif
it was like my first time bought my desktop/laptop 5years ago.

QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Oct 12 2013, 10:37 AM)
Mirrorless cameras, as the name suggest, does not have a mirror which reflects what the lens "see" and showing it to the user through an optical viewfinder. Because of that, they can be designed and built in a much smaller profile unlike DSLRs. With that, you get a lot more portability at a minor expense in terms of ergonomics and comfort, a compensation many are willing to make nod.gif

So I guess it all depends on you, if you like to keep things simple and light when you go out, then its definitely a mirrorless camera for you. Go for the ones with larger sensors like the NEX series for better performance  icon_rolleyes.gif

If you are looking for a beginner level DSLR, then its usually: Nikon D3200/D5100, Canon 600D/650D, Sony a58 to consider  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Hmm... I think stick with Nikon since here Nikon community more than Canon, easier to ask for help in the future.
I guess Sony Nex series is small compact len interchangeable type, while the below the Nikon model I talking about is normal DSLR(entry type), right? flex.gif

So few question in my mind, D3100/3200/5100/5200, by looking at the number of the model, I assume each of them are upgraded version according to their number, right?
what are the main differents between D3100/3200 to the D5100/5200. So is the price almost the same?

Ps. what is the mean of Prime lens? hmm.gif

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post Oct 12 2013, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 12:07 PM)
oh man, that was nightmare for me. sweat.gif
it was like my first time bought my desktop/laptop 5years ago.
Hmm... I think stick with Nikon since here Nikon community more than Canon, easier to ask for help in the future.
I guess Sony Nex series is small compact len interchangeable type, while the below the Nikon model I talking about is normal DSLR(entry type), right? flex.gif

So few question in my mind, D3100/3200/5100/5200, by looking at the number of the model, I assume each of them are upgraded version according to their number, right?
what are the main differents between D3100/3200 to the D5100/5200. So is the price almost the same?

Ps. what is the mean of Prime lens? hmm.gif
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prime lens:
fix focal lens, usually comes with big aperture

well the lens trade off flexible focal/zoom range but will gain the bigger aperture.

and very light too.

unless your are talking about 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Oct 12 2013, 12:15 PM)
prime lens:
fix focal lens, usually comes with big aperture

well the lens trade off flexible focal/zoom range but will gain the bigger aperture.

and very light too.

unless your are talking about 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8
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ah I see.. if is fix focal lens, then would it be hard that you can't zoom in or out to snap, so we have to take our camera to walk closer or further to snap our target?

Another thing I not quite understand between ISO and Aperture ( I read the guide from The Verge here) ISO is light absorb into the sensors, so the aperture means?? hmm.gif so the more the better or lesser the better or manual? holy rclxub.gif

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Want to try prime lens but dk which focal length? use kit lens and put at that focal length. ta da! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 01:07 PM)
ah I see.. if is fix focal lens, then would it be hard that you can't zoom in or out to snap, so we have to take our camera to walk closer or further to snap our target?

Another thing I not quite understand between ISO and Aperture ( I read the guide from The Verge here) ISO is light absorb into the sensors, so the aperture means?? hmm.gif so the more the better or lesser the better or manual? holy rclxub.gif
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Aperture is just an opening in the lens where light will travel into your camera. So the bigger the opening, more light can enter the camera, and vice versa.

You may notice that f/x corresponds to an aperture setting. Since x is the denominator, the smaller the value of x, the bigger is the value of f/x. Therefore, the bigger is the aperture opening. For instance, f/2 is bigger than f/5.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 01:07 PM)
ah I see.. if is fix focal lens, then would it be hard that you can't zoom in or out to snap, so we have to take our camera to walk closer or further to snap our target?

Another thing I not quite understand between ISO and Aperture ( I read the guide from The Verge here) ISO is light absorb into the sensors, so the aperture means?? hmm.gif so the more the better or lesser the better or manual? holy rclxub.gif
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http://dslr.nikon-asia.com/beginner1/en/
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 12:07 PM)
oh man, that was nightmare for me. sweat.gif
it was like my first time bought my desktop/laptop 5years ago.
Hmm... I think stick with Nikon since here Nikon community more than Canon, easier to ask for help in the future.
I guess Sony Nex series is small compact len interchangeable type, while the below the Nikon model I talking about is normal DSLR(entry type), right? flex.gif

So few question in my mind, D3100/3200/5100/5200, by looking at the number of the model, I assume each of them are upgraded version according to their number, right?
what are the main differents between D3100/3200 to the D5100/5200. So is the price almost the same?

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No worries man, picking a camera is much easier than a notebook/desktop laugh.gif And they are much easier to maintain too~
I thought Canon's community is much better here in LYN, or even Malaysia? XD
You are right, Sony's NEX lineups consist of mirrrorless cameras; whereas Sony Alpha consists of their DSLR or "DSLR".

Correct again~
D3200 is the successor to the D3100, and D5200 to the D5100. But in the camera world, newer isn't always better.

Most of the time beginners compare D3200 with D5100 (assuming Nikon only lol) since they usually start with a budget of RM2k. If you need more megapixels and better recording capabilities, go for the D3200. If you need a flippable screen and slightly better ISO performance (better performance at night/dim conditions), then pick the D5100 nod.gif Most go for the latter happy.gif Since you have the budget, go for the one that comes with the 18-105mm kitlens (instead of 18-55mm)


QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 12 2013, 01:07 PM)
ah I see.. if is fix focal lens, then would it be hard that you can't zoom in or out to snap, so we have to take our camera to walk closer or further to snap our target?

Another thing I not quite understand between ISO and Aperture ( I read the guide from The Verge here) ISO is light absorb into the sensors, so the aperture means?? hmm.gif so the more the better or lesser the better or manual? holy rclxub.gif
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Yeah, with prime lens the user will be forced to walk around and compose their shots. And that is not exactly a bad thing, since most of the time, using a prime lens will get you better composed photos yo happy.gif Most users experienced an improvement in composition after using a 50mm F1.8 lens, most of the time the 2nd lens people buy after they have mastered using their kitlens and DSLR.

Higher ISO means higher "film" sensitivity = brighter photo, good when taking shots indoors or during the night. But higher ISO also means more digital noise in your photos. So have to learn which settings to use depending on location and available lighting. Noneed worry too much about these 1st, for a beginner, just go and have fun shooting under the sun and you will be alright haha XD

As what exquisite_markas has mentioned. THe aperture opening is indirectly proportional to the F value; lower F value = larger aperture, more light comes in = brighter photo. Larger apertures (low F value) will also mean better bokeh (blur) in out-of-focus parts; whereas smaller apertures (high F values) will ensure everything in your photo is sharp (like photos taken with compact camera/ handphones)

An example of bokeh (notice how only the eyes of the cat is sharp? Everything else is blurry):
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Cute Kitten 1 by PF T.J., on Flickr

QUOTE(5p3ak @ Oct 12 2013, 01:25 PM)
Want to try prime lens but dk which focal length? use kit lens and put at that focal length. ta da! biggrin.gif
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Yeah, a good way to try out the "feel" of a prime lens haha icon_rolleyes.gif

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Nice pic bro...

Going to PC Fair later... Miri punya PC Fair no models... cry.gif If got, at least can take pics...

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