apart from gerrard...the only other player i see who can adapt to both DM and AM is hendo.

Allen has potential but he ought to have done it consistently given how pricey he was.

He won the player of the month when he first came. He certainly has the quality in him but he need to display it on consistent basis to warrant a first team spot.

Borini always at the right place too but the finishing was rubbish though.

One month of "OK" performance doesn't buy Xavi 1 season of mediocrity

One of Xavi's main lifelines is already extinguished. He's into his second season now so no more trying to find time to gel with teamates and all that playing in an unnatural position bullcrap.

However, good news for Xavi fans is he's coming back from an injury, so most likely they will probably save this extra lifeline for his mediocrity this season.

Once we enter the 3rd season, if he continue to perform badly, i wondered what other lifelines can his fans use? Surely, the Lucas blueprint cannot be used anymore, can they?

pls stop saying "xavi" because you may the insult the real xavi indeed

Never have i seen in any thread, where fans target one of their own, like monkeys biting on the back...i mean, no matter how bad players in other team performed, they'd just ask to bench or loan..but in liverpool, we resort to name calling, slating and whatever crude description u can possibly think of...as if their family massacred and burned beyond recognition. Have gone thru manure's thread when ass young perform hopelessly shitty, but he was not treated with vengeful venom and spit with blood...yada yaddaa..i already expected to be labelled 'fanboy' or whatever mean intent statement..who cares, i standby not attacking our own if its due to performance and not for the lack of trying..ohh and ya..even fellow fans is under attack for speaking on the bright side...still its a forum, I am entitle to my 1 cent worth.

Oh the true fan speaks...looks like he's more interested in commenting on fans rather than football...


This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 16 2013, 11:55 PM

OK, are you saying if we call Joseph Michael Allen "Xavi" is an insult to Xavi?

Just for the record, it is Xavi fans who gave him the nickname, denying him the nick is considered a serious offense to his fans here, becareful...

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 17 2013, 12:07 AM

Speak for yourself, doesn't it?

This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: Oct 17 2013, 12:46 AM

Come on bros. hate is too much of a burden.

Just treat c28 as an entertainer that lift up this thread with his bombastic opinions

He has always been scandalous all these while and of course the man is enjoying it. Live and let die (of hate)

Thank you, led zep for exposing me as an Allen fan to the masses. I guess I qualified as one because I spent most of my time bashing him and in the process, ruffled a few feathers and touched some nerves....haha

Well, every now and then, there will be one or two Protoss zealots appeared out of nowhere to bash the Allen detractors, acting holier than thou as if they never bash a player before. I gotta say, their antics are nothing short of amusing me. A quick check on these commenters will tell that they are the same bunch of people who claimed Allen is going to be next great player in Liverpool for "many many years to come" so I do believe their emnity is derived when they were proven wrong on Allen and got sand kicked in their faces, so it's ok I won't have hard feelings....


http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/billy.elliott/...verpool-for-15m

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8776308/

http://1football1.com/top-10-premier-leagu...-of-the-season/


Above are only some of the articles, from well known football websites and pundits with years of sport journalism experience under their belt, and all of them have a common denominator in it. Joe Allen, a failed buy is a irrefutable undeniable fact. Bash me if you want but I rest my case.

PS: Dillonyong is equally scandalous for bashing on Mayan Downing all the time....and his new found best friend, Iago Aspas...

This post has been edited by carloz28: Oct 17 2013, 09:15 AM

But I miss him finally
Nobody wants to bash you la. U never let your comment be more focus into Joe Allen if you analyse carefully.

50% bashing Joe Allen as Xavi. 30% bashing Xavi's fans 20% bashing dillonyong sometimes but this time MarkBlurBerry took that 20% for me

If you focus 100% bashing Joe Allen, I dont think anyone has a problem with you. They will just disagree with you. But your comment is so vile, that it ensures that it covers everyone into your perspective. Just my two cents. Dont put me back into the 20% bracket.

I think its simple really. Players who come and give their best deserve our support. We keep bandying around the "fact" that we are different and better than other supporters but I see very little evidence of this. If you do a Charles Itandje or El Hadji Diouf on the other hand, then you will rightly reap what you sow. I get a sense that some people want to see players fail even before they've taken to the field. Put ourselves in their shoes. You're having a bad start and the fans are on your back, hurling abuse and booing you off the field, despite you bursting a lung, trying your best.

When we hear the terms, "most knowledgeable fans" or "the Liverpool way", what do they mean to us? This is what I think. The former, because we would applaud the opposition players if they played well, most notably visiting goalkeepers. It also means we show an appreciation for effort. The latter means we stick together in times of adversity, and we tell every man with a liverbird on his chest that we have their back. We will players and managers to succeed.

Let's put it this way. We will have cynics and we will have optimists. All I'm saying is that if we turn on the team when they don't play well, its likely we would not have won in Istanbul, because we played like crap and if every fan were to call it as it was, they'd all have left the stadium in disgust but yet almost everyone stayed back to deliver what was to me, the most haunting rendition of YNWA ever so much so that greats like Cryuff and Maradona had goosebumps, commenting that they had never seen a club so united with its fans. Liverpool fans sing YNWA at the end of every game. Do any other fans do this? Everyone is entitled to behave in any manner they choose, or support the team in their own way but this is my way. The club's values were instilled by the immortal Bill Shankly and it is because of these codes that I love the club, not because of what happens on the pitch. Else, what makes us any different from any other football club?

To quote the Shanks : "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

When the team plays like crap, I remind myself why I support the club in the first place and why those that stand at the Kop every week are different from their peers.

I don't think Joe Allen deserves to start especially given that Henderson is in good form but I would like to see him given a chance at some point in his preferred position. If you put his price tag aside, he is a pretty handy player to have on the bench at the moment.

Also, being supportive of a player doesn't mean being a fan of the player. I'll support any man wearing our colours if they show heart and effort.

my opinion Allen is not a failed buy for time being. not good enough but not bad either. still has a room for improvement

Wow, I missed quite a lot. Seems like some guys are back to that Allen debate again.

You've got a really thick skin, don't you?

Let me set the record straight here, hopefully it will put this Allen debate to rest once and for all.

Nobody here has problems with you for having a different opinion, the problem with you is your own ego. You believe your own opinion so much that there's no room for argument with anyone. It's detrimental to the spirit of a football discussion because let's face it, most if not all of us here will fail if we were to even manage a third-tier Malaysian football team. Why? We are not professional football managers. Most of our discussions stem from a combination of our observation from the pitch, knowledge from journalistic materials such as football books/managerial interviews/punditry but most of it come from pure speculation. A bit of skeptism is healthy.

Now with regards with your own Allen bashing, may I remind you that you have been in doubts of his ability before he even wore the red shirt. When we signed him, you weren't happy because he was a "Brit" player with a huge price tag. It's a valid concern given that the ghost of Carroll, Downing and Henderson was still vivid. But you went as far as to say something along the lines of "This is the kind of player we should sign! Not some overpriced Brit player..." when we signed Assaidi. I couldn't fathom how anybody could form such a resolute opinion about a player even before we have seen him play, but of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

So the season started, Allen impressed in the first couple of months and everybody's happy with him. That was until he started to play like crap. Naturally, some would be defending him while some, like yourself would criticize. Personally, I have no problem with anybody having a different opinion. I think most of us here don't. But on your case, you seemed so dead set on your opinion that it felt like you wished to see him fail in order to prove you point right. So, you could have the last "told you so" moment. At one point, you even admitted to being an "Allen hater". I could not imagine any fan of a football team would wish ill of its own players, thus I questioned your stance and asked if you were truly supporting the club. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

You took it the wrong way and thought that you were crucified for having a minority opinion. There are lots of differing opinions and bashing going on this board, have you not wondered why you were singled out? In fact, you're so butthurt that in every single time the word "Allen" is mention here, you would go on and on about Xavi fans and whatnot. Then you called out another member for preferring to talk about fans than football. Hypocrisy, don't you think?

Having that said, if I, or any other forum member here have offended you or wounded your ego, I'll apologize and offer to buy you a pint (Or juice if you don't drink) on the next gathering. I believe most of us here don't take ourselves too seriously and at the end of the day, we want our team to do well and would celebrate every goal with equal elation. Point is, let's move on from this whole "xavi fans" debacle.

Ditto. Personally I think he's a good player, neat and tidy and I'm sure he would do well in a team like Southampton or Swansea. However, whether he could step up to another level is a doubt. Based on our current squad, it will be hard for him to break into the first team. He has neither the engine of Henderson, the defensive abilities of Lucas nor the passing range of Gerrard. He has lots of ground to cover.

poor allen... i rather like we bashed aspas rather than him

This post has been edited by skeleton202: Oct 17 2013, 11:36 AM

Alas, here comes the personal attacks & emotional 1119 essays. Wounded ego and butthurt? Give me a freakin break. Single me out if u want, I couldn't be bothered about it. There's always a price to pay for going against the flow. You are not the first one I clashed my opinion with and definitely will not be the last one. I speak out what I see and I keep it real. You said you don't take yourselves seriously and then you wrote this marvelous piece. No need to be so emotional. Would rather talk about football rather than drawn into another moral debate about how to be a fan or so. Seriously, give it a rest.