maybe because of camera and flash?

did sony use multiple supplier for screen?

i'm eyeing for Z1 to my replace S4, previously due due to premium design, great screen (thought they rectified with Z Ultra) and great camera but now not sure anymore....

from initial review seems that, Z1 screen nowhere near Zultra, HTC One etc; the Z1 camera also can be challenge by LG G2 (although this can be fix by software BUT knowing Sony, usually other OEM like Samsung can optimize Sony's camera module better than themselves).

any other option aside from Z1?

to me viewing angle doesnt matter much since im watching my phone screen directly in front not from like a specific angle

+1
quite surprise a lot of people here view their phone screen from an angle

If Z1 is too perfect then Sony won't be able to produce another phone except upgrade ram, battery, processor...
and other model future mid-range/low-range model can't be sell due to Z1 price has become cheap...

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Sep 8 2013, 11:38 AM

yea as long as the screen is good enough (in terms of colour brightness etc) then it's good. why do i care other people cant view my phone when i buy the phone for myself not for other people viewing.

Great info! Triluminous display is good but what's the use if it is on not so great tft panel. Which caused the viewing angle to look washout .

I can hardly see anything on the LG screen from this angle

I said probably, all those is base on human eye and some user/reviewer proper check it out.

One thing confirm Z Ultra is not using TN panel, if Z Ultra is using TN panel, then others type of more expensive TFT panel no longer need to in production already.

Ya, Sony screw it up again!

Ya, actually I give face to Sony said Z1 is using VA panel already as certain video do show it ain't that bad but still washed out. But in this picture (I capture from the video) make me feel it looks like just another TN panel, looks like same panel use in Z.

From all sample gather now, the photo output is not bad but not really wow most the time. The camera software still problematic.


If you said AMOLED before S4, I agree, it is not over vivid but wrong saturation apply which feel uncomfortable after long use. But since S4, the AMOLED screen already have viewing comfortably and it no longer wrong saturation apply. The color is accurate especially when you pick professional mode. This is not only said by me but a lot review had mention about it accuracy.

Not anymore since S4 AMOLED panel.


Ya, I remember back what I read in gfan China forum where one of the insider tester said before he feel terrible on the Z1 screen and said they don't have quality of Z Ultra. He was hoping that is because that unit still earlier tester unit. But now already out in IFA, the panel is same bad.


Yalo, I seen a lot video hands-on yesterday, Z1 panel is only slightly better than Z but definitely no Z Ultra quality.


I feel Sony is playing trick, Sony give you wow on 1st Triluminos display and let you thought Triluminos is that great, but after that, use back low quality panel. I gonna said Z1 is low quality panel, some might just said who care viewing angle. But in reality, IPS panel is the more costly where TN panel is the cheapest one.

If real unit out is behave like that, I am going to conclude Sony is just gimmicks it own Triluminos, it just a name but show nothing.

Z Ultra panel is great but I don't feel what it mention Triluminos has wider RGB color, they is a reviewer even measure it and the wider of RGB is kind of similar as Z. What make Z Ultra panel great is the use of non TN or VA panel.

But if Sony decide use back TN or slightly better VA panel in Z1, Sony just screw it own Triluminos name.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 8 2013, 01:15 PM

You mean this Z1 not using Z Ultra screen panel?

Sony always did this.

At 1st I also said nah, not important la as we use screen straight. But after I use my Z, I know, sorry, we not using 100% time straight in phone.

Sometimes during work, message come in, we want to check out but not means must carry up the phone, we just beep over there at side where normally people only put at side when not using. That time I realize OMG! I hardly can see any test message.

Also sometimes we lying at bed where the viewing angle affected again.

Don't forget certain games that need to turn the panel to left or right, during this time, you will notice the fun will slightly affecting due to color shift.

Don't said all this, Z already have color shift when the phone not in 100% straight view at white background area. It make the screen unbalance color.

Come on, do you think Z1 is too perfect until a better panel cannot be apply? Don't get fool by Sony, Z1 confirmed won't be cheap, and that price tag where others manufacture can use better panel, then why not Sony.

Even though Z1 is 20.7MP and branding using G Lens, but actual output is how, can't really measure yet now. For the moment, all sample around the net, some is good, some is pretty bad. And the only comparison did in internet showing the Z1 camera is not as great as everybody though.

If Z Ultra can, why not the Z1? Is that make sense Sony reduce the screen panel quality in another upgrade flagship model?

Ya, exactly! When final product appear on sales, I will go check it out, if the result is same as all unit surrounding at IFA. Then I am truly disappointing with Sony.

Did Sony ever know SCREEN PANEL quality is really important, a bad panel show the output is truly bad by only beep the display set at Sony store enough.


IPS panel will darker the screen and it sometimes facing issue during capture it. But in reality IPS panel is much better than picture show above.

Look at the sky, it highly show the screen is washout where the cloud and sky is mess up as white in Sony Z1 panel but not the case on LG G2.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 8 2013, 02:27 PM

Nope, it is so obvious definitely different type panel as Z Ultra.

The great viewing angle in Z Ultra is not really good in Z1.

And actually the screen a bit too bright where show the symptom of not a IPS panel also, more like a VA or even a worst TN panel.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 8 2013, 01:19 PM

Anyway since you decided to get Note 3, just forget about Z1

Z1 never in my list nor-matter I gonna buy Note 3 or not.

Actually I don't see really elegance look in Z1.

The extra thickness in this omni-balance design not really work out.

And now I notice the side craft look too grey tone, which make it feel more plasticky look than aluminium. It just not match the color especially the black one.

Also the left and right bezel is too tick already, it make the phone screen look smaller than it suppose.

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I mention this is to let user know the Z1 screen might not as good as Z Ultra.

And I really disappointing with Sony move. Sony is just again't spoil the panel and gimmicks it own new branding "Triluminos" in mobile if the final product panel use is same as those show in IFA.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 8 2013, 01:39 PM

the black strip on the side panel i have to see in in real life before I can make any decision. i wonder if it is sticker or painted or what. maybe jloi can answer? in the teaser photo the strip is really nice looking but so far in the press photos it doesn't look that nice anymore. the glass fibre polymide frame on the Z looks to be more elegant now.

but s800 and 3000mAH is too hard to resist...i will wait for the GSMArena battery endurance test first. after all the excitement, the viewing angle is quite disappointing. all this while I had though Sony can't do anything with the screen so I accepted it but when the ZU have it and Z1 don't. It is just really no more excuse for Sony.

hopefully the camera will turn out good!

This post has been edited by lilzany: Sep 8 2013, 01:59 PM

Ya.

This is what I feel as well.

If Z1 final is like this.

Sony only had 2 device in year 2013 which use great panel in total out of 11 devices release.

• Sony Xperia Tablet Z
• Sony Xperia Z Ultra

Agreed. Lol, No need to state all negative point to make ur self feel better. Better to ignore, as it is not in your list from the beginning, why bother.

This post has been edited by psyeo: Sep 8 2013, 02:10 PM

I am saying the true, and every buyer shall prompt on this, cannot give excuse to Sony about this, or else Sony forever will treat buyer like that.

Given negative point had nothing related on what I feel. Why I will feel better when give negative point? Sorry not and it won't.

This is for alert user and had nothing related to me.

Ignore negative point user = cheat own self, and you are one of it.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Sep 8 2013, 02:13 PM

U 're the one who stir up everything. Let ppl make their own decision. The device is on my list, but not that I definitely will purchase it.

So did u cheat urself when u notice the negative point of ZU ?

This post has been edited by psyeo: Sep 8 2013, 02:16 PM