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post Oct 8 2013, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Oct 8 2013, 12:11 AM)
Pour in some oil money la...and the oomph will be back.... I still dun pump Petrol..nanas or shall after close to a billion sponsorship money on F1. OTH I might just do that if they sponsored a pro cycling team.
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why does oil and gas company want to sponsor cycling?

aparlu pump then?
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post Oct 8 2013, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(malleus @ Oct 7 2013, 11:17 PM)
actually yes, it does depend on the wheel. to be exact, the rim, not the hub. what are your rims?

basically to do tubeless, first you need to make your rims air tight. and you need to use tubeless ready tires. I've tried this with normal tires, and they have a nasty habit of leaking air from the sidewalls no matter what sealant I use.
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I'm not quite understand on "what are your rims?"

I think I'll upload pictures of my rims later.
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Nazrull @ Oct 7 2013, 10:54 PM)
I'm new to road cycling(started 3 months ago). Kinda wondering if my TRS Lighting bike(yes, it's a low end road bike, cheap one) wheel set can be converted to tubeless one? It use Quando hub. I've asked around here in Kuantan most of bike shop says it depend on the wheels. Somebody care to enlighten me about this standard clincher wheel to tubeless setup thing?

p/s: pardon for that poor english.
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there are 3 types of wheels currently, tubular, clincher and road tubeless...

tubular is a tire where the inner tube is sewn in the tire and the tire is glued to the rim bed...

clincher and road tubeless is basically the same system where it relies on the tire beads to hook onto the rim's hooks.. the only difference is where clincher has an inner tube and road tubeless does not... this also results in a different rim where clincher rims has holes at the rim bed while road tubeless usually is sealed up...there are other technical aspects to it where you can google up as it is hard to explain without the proper imagery...

to convert a conventional clincher rim to road tubeless is not an easy thing...

theoretically, stan's created a road tubeless conversion kit which is actually a rim tape that seals the holes on the rim bed... but i've read from some users of this method suffering problems retaining pressure in the tires...

http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx

and unlike mountain bike conversion kits, the tubeless system still requires road tubeless specific tires to make it work... and that is not cheap considering you have a TRS bike... both tires and conversion kit can costs as little as 25% of your entire bike's initial worth most probably...

so, my question will be... wat is the reason you want tubeless instead of the normal clincher with inner tube?
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 7 2013, 08:00 PM)
Thanks Miao....
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 8 2013, 09:25 AM)
there are 3 types of wheels currently, tubular, clincher and road tubeless...

tubular is a tire where the inner tube is sewn in the tire and the tire is glued to the rim bed...

clincher and road tubeless is basically the same system where it relies on the tire beads to hook onto the rim's hooks.. the only difference is where clincher has an inner tube and road tubeless does not... this also results in a different rim where clincher rims has holes at the rim bed while road tubeless usually is sealed up...there are other technical aspects to it where you can google up as it is hard to explain without the proper imagery...

to convert a conventional clincher rim to road tubeless is not an easy thing...

theoretically, stan's created a road tubeless conversion kit which is actually a rim tape that seals the holes on the rim bed... but i've read from some users of this method suffering problems retaining pressure in the tires...

http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx

and unlike mountain bike conversion kits, the tubeless system still requires road tubeless specific tires to make it work... and that is not cheap considering you have a TRS bike... both tires and conversion kit can costs as little as 25% of your entire bike's initial worth most probably...

so, my question will be... wat is the reason you want tubeless instead of the normal clincher with inner tube?
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my fr0 2way fit can straight put on tire and ride ?!
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:47 AM

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Guys,
If I got RM7K to spend on new roadbike. Any recommendation? So far I've seen that worth considering is Merida Lampre Team Bike for RM7.7K with Ultegra, FSA, Controltech, Fulcrum and Prologo component.

This is my first roadbike. I don't want to involve in upgrading game like my current MTB where I spend more than 10K itself in upgrading my hard tail. I just want to buy a reasonably good one and enjoy the ride.

Appreciate if you can share your input.

Thanks

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 8 2013, 09:46 AM)
my fr0 2way fit can straight put on tire and ride ?!
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yup. but make sure its tubeless ready tires. so far the only ones I've found locally are the Hutchinson ones, but Rodalink mentioned that they'll begin stocking the Schwalbe tubeless by end of this month

*edit* sealant will be very useful too smile.gif

This post has been edited by malleus: Oct 8 2013, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 8 2013, 09:46 AM)
my fr0 2way fit can straight put on tire and ride ?!
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2 way fit is meant for clincher and road tubelss use... you just need road tubeless specific tire mounted and squirt in some sealant and off you go... reason is that the road tubeless specific tires have a much tighter bead and usually is a b!atch to mount....
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QUOTE(cheewooi @ Oct 8 2013, 09:47 AM)
Guys,
If I got RM7K to spend on new roadbike. Any recommendation? So far I've seen that worth considering is Merida Lampre Team Bike for RM7.7K with Ultegra, FSA, Controltech, Fulcrum and Prologo component.

This is my first roadbike. I don't want to involve in upgrading game like my current MTB where I spend more than 10K itself in upgrading my hard tail. I just want to buy a reasonably good one and enjoy the ride.

Appreciate if you can share your input.

Thanks
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go ksh. they have kuota bike on sales.
7k can get you campag groupset with carbon body.
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(cheewooi @ Oct 8 2013, 09:47 AM)
Guys,
If I got RM7K to spend on new roadbike. Any recommendation? So far I've seen that worth considering is Merida Lampre Team Bike for RM7.7K with Ultegra, FSA, Controltech, Fulcrum and Prologo component.

This is my first roadbike. I don't want to involve in upgrading game like my current MTB where I spend more than 10K itself in upgrading my hard tail. I just want to buy a reasonably good one and enjoy the ride.

Appreciate if you can share your input.

Thanks
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let me put it to you this way... what is your definition of a reasonably good one??? and frankly... RM7k is really a neither here nor there case...

@ RM7k... you might end up with a fantastic aluminum bike.... or you end up with a better carbon rig with lousier components... either way, which means more money later on....

if you have high expectations which i expect you might have... since you own an RM10k hardtail (not sure if alloy or carbon)... i doubt RM7k will stop you from upgrading in the future...

just telling you frankly...

Working backwards, just some simple calculations will reveal how much money you might be lacking.
Groupset - that you won't regret or sales guy so call future proofing it.
Ultegra 11s (RM2.6k)
Force 22 (RM3.3k)
Wheels - light yet not killing your wallet
as little as RM1.8k to as much as RM3.5k

Both this things leaves behind only RM2.6k for the remaining items which is frame, finishing kit (bars, stems, SP, saddles, miscellaneous items)...Reverse it and you find lacking of funds for a reasonable group set...

You see where this is leading to?

As i say, expectations for your RM7k... or save up more and then buy it later...

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post Oct 8 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(malleus @ Oct 8 2013, 09:47 AM)
yup. but make sure its tubeless ready tires. so far the only ones I've found locally are the Hutchinson ones, but Rodalink mentioned that they'll begin stocking the Schwalbe tubeless by end of this month

*edit* sealant will be very useful too smile.gif
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the Hutchinson ones are atom tubeless... if there was the fusion 3.... it would be so much more sweeter...

roadlink did brought in their schwalbe tubeless already since the mid of last month... i saw them mounting it on the ultegra wheels....
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:02 AM

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buy a 30k bike if you don't want any component upgrades in future.........

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it's like you buy an Aventador and say you are never gonna upgrade at all

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post Oct 8 2013, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 8 2013, 09:54 AM)
the Hutchinson ones are atom tubeless... if there was the fusion 3.... it would be so much more sweeter...

roadlink did brought in their schwalbe tubeless already since the mid of last month... i saw them mounting it on the ultegra wheels....
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ah cools, didn't know they've got it in stock already.

I've found the fusion 3 tubeless here too actually. started on those initially, but moved to the atoms after that
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Oct 8 2013, 10:02 AM)
buy a 30k bike if you don't want any component upgrades in future.........
boss weirdo... 30k still leaves room for upgrade lar... unless you tokin bout USD...

if you want confirmation of die die nothing else to think about.. at least some limited edition colnago or RCA (RM30k, frame alone) and then you bang on some 80th anniversary campag super record, Reynolds RZR wheels, full ceramic speed bearing, jockey wheel, bottom bracket upgrades and carbonize every darn thing you can find or shmolke makes...even the bar tape...

QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Oct 8 2013, 10:02 AM)
it's like you buy an Aventador and say you are never gonna upgrade at all
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BS... aventador can still be turbocharged lar... cos it got whacked by 1000ps R35s...

QUOTE(malleus @ Oct 8 2013, 10:03 AM)
ah cools, didn't know they've got it in stock already.

I've found the fusion 3 tubeless here too actually. started on those initially, but moved to the atoms after that
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yeah... atoms is cheaper in the long term...

but then, since going for tubeless means going for performance... not much reason to settle for any less right blush.gif
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 8 2013, 09:49 AM)
go ksh. they have kuota bike on sales.
7k can get you campag groupset with carbon body.
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now you talk like experience bro! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Oct 8 2013, 10:25 AM)
now you talk like experience bro!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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now, he talk like salesman lar... i start to think he get commission for promoting their bikes...
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Oct 8 2013, 10:25 AM)
now you talk like experience bro!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 8 2013, 10:35 AM)
now, he talk like salesman lar... i start to think he get commission for promoting their bikes...
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it jus happened that I went there and they promoting. So i share with you all la tongue.gif
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post Oct 8 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Oct 8 2013, 10:37 AM)
it jus happened that I went there and they promoting. So i share with you all la tongue.gif
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i know u get commission for it behind our backs... admit it lar tongue.gif
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 8 2013, 10:41 AM)
i know u get commission for it behind our backs... admit it lar  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 8 2013, 09:25 AM)
there are 3 types of wheels currently, tubular, clincher and road tubeless...

tubular is a tire where the inner tube is sewn in the tire and the tire is glued to the rim bed...

clincher and road tubeless is basically the same system where it relies on the tire beads to hook onto the rim's hooks.. the only difference is where clincher has an inner tube and road tubeless does not... this also results in a different rim where clincher rims has holes at the rim bed while road tubeless usually is sealed up...there are other technical aspects to it where you can google up as it is hard to explain without the proper imagery...

to convert a conventional clincher rim to road tubeless is not an easy thing...

theoretically, stan's created a road tubeless conversion kit which is actually a rim tape that seals the holes on the rim bed... but i've read from some users of this method suffering problems retaining pressure in the tires...

http://www.notubes.com/Road-Tubeless-C78.aspx

and unlike mountain bike conversion kits, the tubeless system still requires road tubeless specific tires to make it work... and that is not cheap considering you have a TRS bike... both tires and conversion kit can costs as little as 25% of your entire bike's initial worth most probably...

so, my question will be... wat is the reason you want tubeless instead of the normal clincher with inner tube?
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I suffered flat tire once a month since I started, that's why I'm thinking of converting my rims to tubeless. At first I think maybe my current weight (currently 86kg as of yesterday) contributes to this. But a bike mechanics told me it's probably something to do with my rims because he said standard clincher wheel do flat once in a while not once in a month! So I'm bringing my wheel set for him to take a look.

After looking around youtube for this tubeless thing I thin I can do it my self but just in case I'm bringing in my bike for some inspection.

One minor problem with this tubeless conversion is the conversion kit(usually from Stan NoTube) is hard to find here in Kuantan. The mechanics told me he usually had to order the kit from Singapore. Tubeless-ready tire brand like Schwalbe Ultremo ZX and Hutchinson Fusion 3 is easy to find, but other stuff like Stan tape that is used to seal the inner rims is not.

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