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 -= MyForte - Naza Kia Forte Owners Club =- V19, Leaves You Speechless

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post Aug 27 2013, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(sathyendran @ Aug 27 2013, 11:19 AM)
Yeap when i installed my recently, the guy told me it was too tight...no flexibility not good.

For now, What i feel from installing it, less vibration when i go pass holes, humps, steering much more steady.

You have to be really aware of ur car to notice the difference.
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Obviously this is just those little gimmick for body structure reinforcement. Pardon me to be optimistic. A true/real reinforcement should come from suspension, arm, bar those..
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post Aug 27 2013, 11:57 AM

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Guys FOC aka Forte Owners Club arranging for GB for Eagle Eyes Headlamp. Currently discussing with Eagle Eyes directly to give a good price. Anyone interested? The price will be given out soon. Attached Image
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(sathyendran @ Aug 27 2013, 11:57 AM)
Guys FOC aka Forte Owners Club arranging for GB for Eagle Eyes Headlamp. Currently discussing with Eagle Eyes directly to give a good price. Anyone interested? The price will be given out soon. Attached Image
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only interested once price is out.... laugh.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(craxors @ Aug 27 2013, 12:03 PM)
only interested once price is out....  laugh.gif
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Will update once they have come up with the price. They planning to a few packages : headlamp only, headlamp plus taillights, headlamp + taillights + front nefd bumper....


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post Aug 27 2013, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 27 2013, 11:55 AM)
Obviously this is just those little gimmick for body structure reinforcement. Pardon me to be optimistic. A true/real reinforcement should come from suspension, arm, bar those..
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Of course, no budget what to do? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(sathyendran @ Aug 27 2013, 11:54 AM)
Owhkk...ill try the tower and rear arb first to checkout the difference before adding on...
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Ya, try that out first. Remember the feel of before installing when you go through sharp roundabouts. You get the idea.
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Aug 27 2013, 12:07 PM)
Of course, no budget what to do?  biggrin.gif
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Lol yeah.... UR bars still can maa but suspension not for now. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(sathyendran @ Aug 27 2013, 12:09 PM)
Lol yeah.... UR bars still can maa but suspension not for now.  biggrin.gif
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Small things add up you will feel the difference. I particularly cannot remember how stock car feels anymore after the bars, rings, cushion and all. Need to drive back stock car to get the feel back. If you are satisfied with how the car handled, then good.

That is the reason why mod should do step by step. If not enough, go to a higher level. Get the adjustable. But not everybody wants or need to go to the next level.

My friend told me that the stock tyre is BLOODY GOOD noise level, 1.6 is SUPER powerful, so no need to mod anything. But I know we have different requirement.

I want to do the adjustable, but 3k perset of adjustable is too much at this moment. I am happy with the car in total for now, but of course until I drive a car with adjustable. I might get self poisoned. Who knows?

But I still think chasis reinforcement is a different sector from suspension. The 2 however has the linkage with car handling.

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post Aug 27 2013, 12:19 PM

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guys...
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post Aug 27 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 27 2013, 11:13 AM)
no more TT nowadays ?
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FOC and MFC got TT, go check the FB group. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Aug 27 2013, 12:16 PM)
Small things add up you will feel the difference. I particularly cannot remember how stock car feels anymore after the bars, rings, cushion and all. Need to drive back stock car to get the feel back. If you are satisfied with how the car handled, then good.

That is the reason why mod should do step by step. If not enough, go to a higher level. Get the adjustable. But not everybody wants or need to go to the next level.

My friend told me that the stock tyre is BLOODY GOOD noise level, 1.6 is SUPER powerful, so no need to mod anything. But I know we have different requirement.

I want to do the adjustable, but 3k perset of adjustable is too much at this moment. I am happy with the car in total for now, but of course until I drive a car with adjustable. I might get self poisoned. Who knows?

But I still think chasis reinforcement is a different sector from suspension. The 2 however has the linkage with car handling.
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no budget > keep stock standard ! HERE RM few hundred, there few hundred...and all trial and error....must well make sure what u need...u need adjustable, comfort gone.
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post Aug 27 2013, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 27 2013, 05:28 PM)
no budget > keep stock standard ! HERE RM few hundred, there few hundred...and all trial and error....must well make sure what u need...u need adjustable, comfort gone.
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Err, I know what I need but if don't do trial and error how I know if this will work for me? What worked for you might not work for me. You think it is a waste, I don't. There is always a possibility that it might work but I don't like how it turned out.

Adjustable is there to let you fix the hardness of the suspension to you liking comfort no? Else why call it adjustable?

Also, why you butt hurt when I spend MY few hundreds here and there? I just don't like the way you phrase it as if the poor has to stay eating maggi their entire life.'No money? Don't bother to save up to go shangrila once a while la. Die eating maggi!'.
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no budget > keep stock standard ! HERE RM few hundred, there few hundred...and all trial and error....must well make sure what u need...u need adjustable, comfort gone.


QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Aug 27 2013, 06:03 PM)
Err, I know what I need but if don't do trial and error how I know if this will work for me? What worked for you might not work for me. You think it is a waste, I don't. There is always a possibility that it might work but I don't like how it turned out.

Adjustable is there to let you fix the hardness of the suspension to you liking comfort no? Else why call it adjustable?

Also, why you butt hurt when I spend MY few hundreds here and there? I just don't like the way you phrase it as if the poor has to stay eating maggi their entire life.'No money? Don't bother to save up to go shangrila once a while la. Die eating maggi!'.
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Yeah not everyone can afford what you ca afford. And different ppl have different taste and requirements. You phrase it out very negatively as though only the rich has the right to do it. I agree with you lingleeyen.

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QUOTE(craxors @ Aug 27 2013, 12:19 PM)
guys...
some opinions on these oil pls....  hmm.gif
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I only know this is "Honda" oil.
A workshop boss told me tongue.gif

(I'm considering 10w40 Fully oil for my old car.)
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post Aug 27 2013, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Aug 26 2013, 10:12 PM)
This stiff ring is installed on the lingkage between main frame and front sub frame. These frames are on top of each other, going through holes at the same axis. Total of 4 pcs for Forte, only at the front.

If you see them take out these 4 bolts, you will actually see that there is a gap between the hole and the bolt. It is not a good fit. Why this happened? It is bacause during manufacturing, they want to install fast. Installing this might need 30 minutes or more for 4 pcs. Over the time, these bolts will loose hence you hear all sorts of sound.

So what is the effect? Like bro boxter said, there is no effect, most probably because he is not sensitive enough on his hands, butt, backbone. Or the effect is not significant to him as his car is new during installation when the nuts are still intact?

The first thing I feel is that the steering is much more stable. Vibration is lesser than the already less at high speed, uneven roads, pot holes and small rock bumps.

Second would be the handling. The car turns at a sharper rate, more towards your command.

The third is the one I love the most. The sound when it goes through uneven road. The sound of emptiness or tin milo sound is reduced by alot, though I cannot say it is on par with conti cars. With the price paid, I don't feel like my car is falling apart on uneven roads. Whole thing is more solid now.

My verdict? I will install another 4 if they have anything for the rear. However, for Forte, they only have front 4.

What to do with the back? Put rear lower arm bar. Gives the same effect as number 3. Also better rear stability during high speed lane changing.
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Bro lingleeyen..

thanks for the elaborated explanation.. gives me the goose bumps just reading it.. rclxms.gif
What u said makes perfect sense. i think i'll be ordering those stiff rings very soon..

What about the installation? easy enough?

u mentioned about installing a rear lower arm bar to complement those stiff rings.... would an ARB do? i already have it installed. afraid that if i were to add more it will make the car too stiff...

thanks again.. notworthy.gif
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car modification is all about experimenting with trial and error. Experience was gained from this trial and error which at time, could be useful for members driving the same car. Words itself sometimes cannot describe the feeling and effect of the resulting additional modification due to the difference of subjectivity, expectation and perspective. Sometimes, becoming too sure of what you need will ended up with what you don't want the most.
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QUOTE(pianrasa @ Aug 27 2013, 11:54 PM)
Bro lingleeyen..

thanks for the elaborated explanation.. gives me the goose bumps just reading it..  rclxms.gif
What u said makes perfect sense. i think i'll be ordering those stiff rings very soon..

What about the installation? easy enough?

u mentioned about installing a rear lower arm bar to complement those stiff rings.... would an ARB do? i already have it installed. afraid that if i were to add more it will make the car too stiff...

thanks again..  notworthy.gif
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Do the mod one by one bro. Test and really feel if that one mod is useful for you or if it is placebo. Step by step also allows you to stop once you are satisfied.

I would say let the pro do the stiff ring installation. It can take a good 30 minutes with de-bolt, greasing and tighten with the correct torque. I would not recommend DIY.

I would assume that you have front tower bar too besides that ARB. Feel the rigidity first of the whole drive after the stiff ring. Drive around more to decide. If you feel it is enough, stop. I thought I had enough only to find that my hands got itchy 2 months later. So I add on the rear lower arm bar (RLAB) to try try see see. I am happy with the result.

ARB and RALB is installed at a different position and doing different work. Not sure if you have looked under the car. If you are looking at the spring as a straight vertical line, the absorber is diagonal. They are not on the same line like the front.

ARB is installed at the bottom of the spring mounting. The ARB pull the 2 sides of mounting together. The springs now works up and down simultaneously in ideal condition. Therefore you will feel the stiffness on uneven road. By establishing these 2 mountings' dependency, the body roll effect is reduced by one side of the tyre being pulled to the ground by the other during cornering. Fortunately and unfortunately, ideal condition does not exist and ARB actually flexes. That is why you won't feel like sitting in a Triton, but still gives you the reduction in body roll effect. I must admit that the drive is slight stiffer than stock on uneven roads. With this flex also, ARB can only claim to reduce but not eliminating the body roll effect.

RLAB is installed slight in front of the ARB. The diagonal suspension lower end will go to a sub frame, which goes to a metal linkage which goes to the main frame. So the linkage will be taken off, leaving 2 holes at one side. 4 holes on both left and right, hence the 4 points bar. This bar is actually a replacement to the metal linkages. Eventhough the linkage is solid, heavy, but the bar is stronger, hence less flex, which in turn generates a better absorber direction behaviour. Pulling the main frame and sub frame together also strengthens the whole chasis. No more feeling like falling apart.

Where do you plan to go to do the stiff ring?

This post has been edited by lingleeyen: Aug 28 2013, 02:11 AM
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post Aug 28 2013, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Aug 28 2013, 02:09 AM)
Do the mod one by one bro. Test and really feel if that one mod is useful for you or if it is placebo. Step by step also allows you to stop once you are satisfied.

I would say let the pro do the stiff ring installation. It can take a good 30 minutes with de-bolt, greasing and tighten with the correct torque. I would not recommend DIY.

I would assume that you have front tower bar too besides that ARB. Feel the rigidity first of the whole drive after the stiff ring. Drive around more to decide. If you feel it is enough, stop. I thought I had enough only to find that my hands got itchy 2 months later. So I add on the rear lower arm bar (RLAB) to try try see see. I am happy with the result.

ARB and RALB is installed at a different position and doing different work. Not sure if you have looked under the car. If you are looking at the spring as a straight vertical line, the absorber is diagonal. They are not on the same line like the front.

ARB is installed at the bottom of the spring mounting. The ARB pull the 2 sides of mounting together. The springs now works up and down simultaneously in ideal condition. Therefore you will feel the stiffness on uneven road. By establishing these 2 mountings' dependency, the body roll effect is reduced by one side of the tyre being pulled to the ground by the other during cornering. Fortunately and unfortunately, ideal condition does not exist and ARB actually flexes. That is why you won't feel like sitting in a Triton, but still gives you the reduction in body roll effect. I must admit that the drive is slight stiffer than stock on uneven roads. With this flex also, ARB can only claim to reduce but not eliminating the body roll effect.

RLAB is installed slight in front of the ARB. The diagonal suspension lower end will go to a sub frame, which goes to a metal linkage which goes to the main frame. So the linkage will be taken off, leaving 2 holes at one side. 4 holes on both left and right, hence the 4 points bar. This bar is actually a replacement to the metal linkages. Eventhough the linkage is solid, heavy, but the bar is stronger, hence less flex, which in turn generates a better absorber direction behaviour. Pulling the main frame and sub frame together also strengthens the whole chasis. No more feeling like falling apart.

Where do you plan to go to do the stiff ring?
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shocking.gif so long karangan. Haha
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post Aug 28 2013, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(navhin29 @ Aug 28 2013, 03:41 AM)
shocking.gif so long karangan. Haha
Thx for the info  biggrin.gif
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Just sharing what I know.
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post Aug 28 2013, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(sathyendran @ Aug 27 2013, 11:57 AM)
Guys FOC aka Forte Owners Club arranging for GB for Eagle Eyes Headlamp. Currently discussing with Eagle Eyes directly to give a good price. Anyone interested? The price will be given out soon. Attached Image
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The price for Headlamp V2 (With light bars) RM1699 (Original Price RM1899) for a order of 10 sets. Offer including installation and 18 months warranty. Anyone interested?

If more than 15 or 20 can knockdown the price. FOC arranging the GB.

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