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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V27, all the older sifus went MIA liao :(

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post Oct 21 2013, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(muyo @ Oct 20 2013, 11:19 PM)
I've been driving my LMST for about 6years. Mileage runs about 106,000km. I never done any overhaul before. Parts that changed are the front radiator motor to APM motor and belting thats all. Recently found my car drink alot of petrol, loss its power and also easily get heat up while idling. I maintain my car very frequent, change engine oil and all. Another question is i wanna ask how often we need to overhaul the engine and change the gasket? And how often we need to service the A/C? I never service since i bought the car cause the A/C now is still very cold. And how to reduce the engine vibration each time we start the car?

So about performance, i wanna upgrade some stuff that need ask sifus here for advice. Im not a racer or what, i just wanna make my car slightly responsive and reliable. In my mind i thought of change the air filter into drop in air filter. But for the cold intake can i place it at the left fender hole and connect to the hole to the air filter hose that mounted infront? I heard people says aluminium radiator will improve cooling. If it is which type of brand is suitable? For braking, whats the purpose of changing to steel braided hose? Does this help to improve stopping power? Does those disc rotor have holes will reduce heating? If it is where i can get one? An which brake pad is good for down slope and up slope? I want a good handling too, im not going for those sport adjustable but want to have a good springs that improve connering.
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usually people top overhaul at 100k km
however before doing that, consider cheaper fixes such as engine flush/fuel system flush (and after that replace fuel filter, rm7 or something iinm lol)/carburetor cleaning first.
if it solves your problem, then you don't need to spend expensive cost for top overhauling smile.gif
for gasket, replace when it is leaking, simple as that.
AC service is every 30-50k km or 1-2 years depending on your budget and/or how cold the ac is. the longer it is delayed the poorer the performance and the more work the compressor has to do (which will hasten it's deterioration) not to mention extra load on the engine. (as the compressor magnetic clutch engages more often/permanent)

for vibration, check engine mountings, and tune carb idles to suit your needs. check if the thermostat is functioning properly since you also mention that the heat goes up...
actually the car by default comes with drop in, those performance mods are typically open pods which i find not very good for our car since we can't really get a space with good CAI and our engine bay is REALLY hot especially with modded/exposed exhaust extractors sad.gif

for cooling, suggest you properly diagnose your existing system/flush the radiator first smile.gif

steel braided hose improves braking response and prevent hose expansion which will have spongy braking if it really gets heated up/hose expanded. it doesn't quite improves stopping power, though theoretically if you can brake faster you do brake better.

x drilled rotors that have holes aren't really for cooling, vents does most of the job which our car can't directly mod plug and play vented discs (afaik, need half cut parts and may require some mods at the knuckle)
they are mainly for more aggressive shaving of the pads (which could offer slightly better braking power) as well as removing gases that may accumulate when the pads get hot. (slots perform similar functions as well)
the cooling effect of the drilled holes are minimal.
(do google up on rotors and their characteristics such as slotted/x drilled)
if you're "not a racer", stock blanks are enough smile.gif

for handling, try something like progressive springs + short stroke absorbers such as improve propex.
the rear however don't go with short strokes, and don't get too stiff of an absorber.
try to get the spring harder though

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post Oct 21 2013, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Shawnzz @ Oct 21 2013, 03:11 AM)
maybe lose the music? and gain some concentration? anyways, its a very smooth run, hard to find faults in it.  I never join track very long edi, my car is in the "maintenance" stage.  laugh.gif
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thanks for the comments bro.

music is more of my preference. and it's not like i really pay attention to the music since it's something i listen to everyday without fail whenever i'm in the car laugh.gif
and you're too kind, just looking at the videos myself i've found way too many things that could have gone better, and that could have helped reduced maybe a second or even 2 sad.gif

btw by maintenance stage, your swift or you still keeping your saga?
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post Oct 21 2013, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 21 2013, 09:03 AM)
change workshop la. scamming workshop. the lower arm, around rm220-240 can get proton brand new original, and my old one lasted me 14 years...
engine oil also dunno what oil, add bit more can get performance semi synthetics.
original proton oil filter, rm8 so 15 no matter what you see it is just stupid. id feel better if they just add more labor charge than just write there rm15 for oil filter lol.
rotor also need to change? without bearing? mmg waste time/labor punya lol.
and wtf satay bush + stabilizer bush... ring? if i add those 2 together, i can get original mitsubishi one at rm5x lol
the camber screw also doh.gif they break it they replace la LOL
labor charge also 1 kind, very similar to proton SC. might as well go proton and get original parts if they gonna scam so high lol.
got tax some more like original SC LOL!
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Lower arms are claimed is OEM, that's why cheaper than original.

Engine oil, tried Molybdenum (Semi Synthetic) SM/CF 10W40, but the oil level decrease too fast, always gone below Low Level just within 3000 km, lucky i noticed it and top up with the remaining oil in bottle. To be safe i stay with the engine oil sell by the shop, even though the oil level still decrease, but still above Low Level.
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I need change rotor cos mine already not good, a lot of lines already, weak stopping power and vibrate when braking, so i changed it.
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The new one suppose same as below picture.
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frankly speaking, after all the repair, i only feel the braking power improve (now i know the previous brake is very very terrible and luckily i still safe), no significant feel from other part replacement, feel like waste.

Anyone know where i can find this type of clip(or whatever it call)? It can be found at boot area
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post Oct 21 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(caesarx @ Oct 21 2013, 03:53 PM)
Engine oil, tried Molybdenum (Semi Synthetic) SM/CF 10W40, but the oil level decrease too fast, always gone below Low Level just within 3000 km, lucky i noticed it and top up with the remaining oil in bottle. To be safe i stay with the engine oil sell by the shop, even though the oil level still decrease, but still above Low Level.

I need change rotor cos mine already not good, a lot of lines already, weak stopping power and vibrate when braking, so i changed it.

frankly speaking, after all the repair, i only feel the braking power improve (now i know the previous brake is very very terrible and luckily i still safe), no significant feel from other part replacement, feel like waste.

Anyone know where i can find this type of clip(or whatever it call)? It can be found at boot area
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liqui moly or some other brand? never heard of molybdenum (although liqui moly's MOS2 additive is basically molybdenum)
and if you're having enjoy oil leaks, use any oil should not be an issue. if your engine is not having any leaks at all, using good EO (eg: having higher flashpoint) will prevent engine oil consumption smile.gif

rotor if it isn't too worn, can be skimmed (grinded to flat surface)

repair as they are needed is good, what isn't good is that the workshop is very shady on the pricing/repair works.
as for the clips, i believe most workshops should have it... 20sen-50sen each iinm.
some may not charge for it (or basically include it as labor or other charges)
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QUOTE(jackz08 @ Oct 20 2013, 08:26 PM)
Yesterday my 1997 Iswara's air-cond just stopped working  sad.gif  nothing happens when i press the ac switch, compressor doesn't engage, ac fan and blower not spinning..  sweat.gif  So, I checked the fuses, relay under the glove-box, and also the 2 main relay at the side of the right headlamp (behind the water reservoir) and all seems to be well..  unsure.gif i even shorted out the air cond switch just to be sure although there was no indication of current passing through there.. Any suggestions/ideas from any of the sifu's here??  icon_question.gif
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From your description, it is like as if totally no power supply to the air-con system.

Remove the air-con switch and put a voltmeter to check if there is 12V between the pins and the nearest earth point.

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 21 2013, 05:39 PM)
From your description, it is like as if totally no power supply to the air-con system.

Remove the air-con switch and put a voltmeter to check if there is 12V between the pins and the nearest earth point.
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done edy, there is no 12v in either of the pins.. icon_question.gif is there anything else that I missed out?? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rozz_1291 @ Oct 18 2013, 02:17 AM)
TQ. I tried to powerslide plus weight shifting at the same. sweat.gif
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We can call you Sifu d..when wanna pass some skills to us brows.gif
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post Oct 21 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 21 2013, 05:07 PM)
liqui moly or some other brand? never heard of molybdenum (although liqui moly's MOS2 additive is basically molybdenum)
and if you're having enjoy oil leaks, use any oil should not be an issue. if your engine is not having any leaks at all, using good EO (eg: having higher flashpoint) will prevent engine oil consumption smile.gif

rotor if it isn't too worn, can be skimmed (grinded to flat surface)

repair as they are needed is good, what isn't good is that the workshop is very shady on the pricing/repair works.
as for the clips, i believe most workshops should have it... 20sen-50sen each iinm.
some may not charge for it (or basically include it as labor or other charges)
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Lol, I missed out the EO brand, it's Eneos. My headlamp still troubling me, the brightness suddenly drops,visibility very poor when driving on road with no lighting. Tried replace with new bulb still same. Measure voltage to ground is around 13.4v,
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post Oct 21 2013, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(caesarx @ Oct 21 2013, 06:59 PM)
Lol, I missed out the EO brand, it's Eneos. My headlamp still troubling me, the brightness suddenly drops,visibility very poor when driving on road with no lighting. Tried replace with new bulb still same. Measure voltage to ground is around 13.4v,
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Eneos shouldn't be bad, could be something else i reckon.

if car is running on alternator, it should be above 14v. 13.4 is a bit worrisome, consider checking on grounding points/adding grounding cables?
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QUOTE(jackz08 @ Oct 21 2013, 05:57 PM)
done edy, there is no 12v in either of the pins..  icon_question.gif is there anything else that I missed out??  sweat.gif
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Pull out the fuse, then measure the volt of the the fuse sockets, to see if got 12V supply.
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post Oct 21 2013, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(caesarx @ Oct 21 2013, 06:59 PM)
My headlamp still troubling me, the brightness suddenly drops,visibility very poor when driving on road with no lighting. Tried replace with new bulb still same.
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1) Both lamps or one side only?
2) Is it always dim, or on and off?
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Thanks for the suggestions! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 21 2013, 07:35 PM)
Eneos shouldn't be bad, could be something else i reckon.

if car is running on alternator, it should be above 14v. 13.4 is a bit worrisome, consider checking on grounding points/adding grounding cables?
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At battery terminal also get around 13.5V only, with A/C off somemore.
Battery 2 months old. Got erictioh VS and GCx2

QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 21 2013, 08:16 PM)
1) Both lamps or one side only?
2) Is it always dim, or on and off?
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both sides same brightness, and stay dim.
the current headlamps is non-ori unit replaced during my last accident.
the light cannot focus on the ground, seem projected upwards and scattered, and i was told cannot adjust to shine more on road.
still consider to get ori LMST headlamps for replacement.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 15 2013, 04:50 PM)
thanks for the info man! i've been missing dato sagor since that's where i started out!

i wonder if they have improved the track conditions? dunno if i should be getting a new set of tires (or used) just for it so i won't kill my ad08r's laugh.gif
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nah...just use ur ad08r lar...for what you buy a uhp and use for only daily drive? rite? -.-
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This gonna be my fevourite thread XD..
Any recommendation brand for spark plug cable and how much is it in the market as I'm plan to buy Bosch Super Spark Plug from one of the seller here to replace my old set.. Or stick to old cable??
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QUOTE(caesarx @ Oct 21 2013, 10:43 PM)
At battery terminal also get around 13.5V only, with A/C off somemore.
Battery 2 months old. Got erictioh VS and GCx2
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ask his advice? possible to be the alternator or battery condition.
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QUOTE(Mic_Xeno @ Oct 21 2013, 10:47 PM)
nah...just use ur ad08r lar...for what you buy a uhp and use for only daily drive? rite? -.-
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daily drive got my c drive 2 mah laugh.gif
just thinking of used tires cip cip price for cheapjing lol
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QUOTE(Azure_01 @ Oct 21 2013, 11:06 PM)
This gonna be my fevourite thread XD..
Any recommendation brand for spark plug cable and how much is it in the market as I'm plan to buy Bosch Super Spark Plug from one of the seller here to replace my old set.. Or stick to old cable??
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the original bougicord actually more expensive than bosch.
i'm using bosch and imho they are ok for the price smile.gif
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any reommendation brand for the cabel or should stick to the old set???
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post Oct 22 2013, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(Azure_01 @ Oct 22 2013, 12:02 AM)
any reommendation brand for the cabel or should stick to the old set???
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if not faulty just stick with it smile.gif

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