Vios 2006 and Saga SV
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 Jul 25 2013, 10:45 AM
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2,479 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Mars 
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:44 AM) its just a crappy satria damn .. apa sal u so many ride .. lolz i bought it a very cheap price about 13k for 2005 auto last year going to change it to manual auto is fucuking serow   |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:48 AM
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819 posts Joined: Jun 2007 From: Moon's Dark Side
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:45 AM) damn .. apa sal u so many ride .. lolz er... all potong leh protong banana my dad's protong satria 1 my bro 1 mine protong inspalia mine protong waja my bro zzzzz i can kolek proton liao  but my gf diff case liao like you FIL got mini altis and abanza  This post has been edited by edison1437: Jul 25 2013, 10:49 AM |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:48 AM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.  
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QUOTE(habibz84 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:41 AM) rx8 also same bro? slightly better than the rx7 due to two things, genesis 13b rotary, its a more refine motor from mazda but cant hide the fact it is still rotary, another point is its NA, so less stress on the rotary, but it still need more care and attention and wears off faster than ordinary engine do. and this rotary engines really guzzle quite some engine oil. expecting 1L for every 2-5k mileage depends on the engine condition. i still see many rx7 and rx8 visiting this famous rotary workshop in usj1. lol  |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:51 AM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:42 AM) yup .. he told me that .. infact he did have a spare 13B in his store when he got his ride .. lolz ... eh, rx7 rims nice meh? and my inspira is on his rx7 ori allu wheels ...  QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:44 AM) its just a crappy satria haha, my previous ride's auto has paddle shifters, not cheap to replace. i bought it a very cheap price about 13k for 2005 auto last year going to change it to manual auto is fucuking serow  |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:53 AM
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2,479 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Mars
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 25 2013, 10:51 AM) eh, rx7 rims nice meh? better than ori rims ... but its 6kg ++ each .. haha, my previous ride's auto has paddle shifters, not cheap to replace. |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:53 AM
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68 posts Joined: Nov 2008 From: Land Below The Wind
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 25 2013, 10:48 AM) slightly better than the rx7 due to two things, genesis 13b rotary, its a more refine motor from mazda but cant hide the fact it is still rotary, another point is its NA, so less stress on the rotary, but it still need more care and attention and wears off faster than ordinary engine do. and this rotary engines really guzzle quite some engine oil. expecting 1L for every 2-5k mileage depends on the engine condition. i still see many rx7 and rx8 visiting this famous rotary workshop in usj1. lol this is still 1 of my dream car.but looking at the cost of maintenance, i can say this car is not for me but now i see at mudah got many ppl selling off this car around 80k-90k. wonder why. |
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Jul 25 2013, 10:54 AM
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68 posts Joined: Nov 2008 From: Land Below The Wind
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:53 AM) better than ori rims ... but its 6kg ++ each .. i tot u using wira lins?  |
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Jul 25 2013, 11:00 AM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(habibz84 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:53 AM) this is still 1 of my dream car.but looking at the cost of maintenance, i can say this car is not for me hahaha, there is reason why is cheap, buying one is easy, maintaining one is the big prob. lol. but now i see at mudah got many ppl selling off this car around 80k-90k. wonder why.i love the rx7, especially in Amemiya spec and look. but too bad, not the time yet. lol. even got money, no time to lepak at workshop all the time for the car. lol. |
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Jul 25 2013, 05:42 PM
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55 posts Joined: Jul 2006 From: KL
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what's wrong with proton?
Instead of I seeing Proton breakdown at the roadside, I see more other brand breakdown at the road side. Currently I owned 17 years 4g13 satria and 4 months iafm+ cvt preve. Still running happily Back to the main topic, I strongly recommend you get the new saga instead of old vios...keyword for you " problem free' meaning, no need to folk out money for repairing at least in the next 3 years |
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Jul 25 2013, 05:49 PM
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365 posts Joined: Nov 2012
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 08:48 AM) But seriously no matter how well its being maintain.. An aging car vs a new one with warranty.. New one would be a better choice I would says. Cover by warranty.. And I think when this kind of question arise , 2nd hand vs budget new.. To me the TS is quite tight on budget already.. And he is looking for a transportation.. So a cheaper one is a better choice.. Since he so budget d.. He might not really like the ride, so in few years he will change the car d..OR if dun.. Local car parts is always cheaper than japanese .. So its also cheaper to make the car MOVEable.. Notice I said moveable... Coz no matter what car parts will fallapart.. My aunts old bmw is worse than my previous old proton. Second hand car higher interests and no promotions too. |
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Jul 25 2013, 06:20 PM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(johnlaw @ Jul 25 2013, 05:49 PM) Second hand car higher interests and no promotions too. well, sad to say, new cars from proton and perodua have the almost same interest region offered compare to used japanese by this bank loan. 3%+  |
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Jul 25 2013, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 25 2013, 06:20 PM) well, sad to say, new cars from proton and perodua have the almost same interest region offered compare to used japanese by this bank loan. 3%+ You can get as low as 2.7% for local cars. anything above 3% for local new cars is unreasonable dy  |
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Jul 26 2013, 10:06 PM
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115 posts Joined: Apr 2013
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 25 2013, 01:07 AM) omfg! what bullshit are you spewing out there now? it just show how much of an idiot and moron you are! LOL! with this post, it already good enough to prove you know nutz about cars and trying to act smart or a pro here. totally misleading forumers and the public with misguided information! if those mention above is consider as information to begin with. You actually don't know that valve timing works best with timing belt? That shows your lack of knowledge. If you lack the knowledge, go find out rather than blast blindly just because of your own personal reason out of hatred.  i didnt know timing chain can improve FC? only timing chain can make VVTi and VTEC to work? what happen to those timing belt engines in the 90s that can rev high on vvti and vtec? i didnt know CVT has "faces" to operate well. laugh.gif and CVT is made as more gears alternative? hahahahaha and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart? laugh.gif doh.gif and this really made my day laugh.gif Timing chain does not improve FC. However, valve timing such as Toyota VVTi, Hyundai/Kia CVVT, Ford Ti-VCT, Mazda SVT do and they required timing chain to operate at optimum level. Honda original VTEC is meant for high end hi-rev use, not meant for FC by the way. The way it works different from Toyota hydraulic VVT that was adopted by many carmakers today. Only the i-VTEC onwards, it was made for FC + hi-end performance. This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 26 2013, 10:10 PM |
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Jul 29 2013, 12:08 PM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2013, 10:06 PM) You actually don't know that valve timing works best with timing belt? That shows your lack of knowledge. If you lack the knowledge, go find out rather than blast blindly just because of your own personal reason out of hatred. Timing chain does not improve FC. However, valve timing such as Toyota VVTi, Hyundai/Kia CVVT, Ford Ti-VCT, Mazda SVT do and they required timing chain to operate at optimum level. Honda original VTEC is meant for high end hi-rev use, not meant for FC by the way. The way it works different from Toyota hydraulic VVT that was adopted by many carmakers today. Only the i-VTEC onwards, it was made for FC + hi-end performance. QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 24 2013, 11:49 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Saga relies on smaller engine & lighter weight for FC. Saga FC can't even beat Myvi 1.3VVT. How sure are you that Saga can beat Fiesta in city FC? Fiesta is 1 of the few B-segment (budget <100k) so far that could challenge Vios in real city driving. Preve Campro VVT is belt driven which is less effective like older generation Korean made when they first came up with VVT, all belt driven. Only Sonata NF Theta engine & later i30/Forte Gamma engine equipped with timing chain have proper FC comparable to Toyota. QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2013, 12:56 AM) You think Toyota so kind and generous to give timing chain? FYI, timing chain cost more expensive to produce and that chain alone cause Toyota to lose out millions out of 60k timing belt replacement income. They have no choice but to give timing chain as the VVT could only operate well with timing chain. So replying to your own red comments in your posts, pls make up your mind. you are full of contradiction yourself. So VVT best work with timing belt or chain now? do not put words in my mouth. it is you who cant even make up your mind if VVT best work with belt or chain. u said chain, then u replied me again say belt? so who is the noob now? blind hatred? hatred of what? i never say a word in my previous comments i hate anything. its all your own assumptions and fantasies! LOL! » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Not i said, you did.  with this paragraph in blue, just proved how "smart" you are. Just a tip for you, most VVT and VVL are activated by hydraulics. This post has been edited by Gouki: Jul 29 2013, 12:13 PM |
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Jul 30 2013, 12:09 AM
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115 posts Joined: Apr 2013
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 29 2013, 12:08 PM) So replying to your own red comments in your posts, pls make up your mind. you are full of contradiction yourself. So VVT best work with timing belt or chain now? do not put words in my mouth. it is you who cant even make up your mind if VVT best work with belt or chain. u said chain, then u replied me again say belt? so who is the noob now? blind hatred? hatred of what? i never say a word in my previous comments i hate anything. its all your own assumptions and fantasies! LOL! If your car has VVT, example if it is Camry 2.0G '09. Not i said, you did. with this paragraph in blue, just proved how "smart" you are. Just a tip for you, most VVT and VVL are activated by hydraulics. 1998cc with 1st generation VVT (low to mid end support only) output 147ps@6000rpm torque 190Nm@4000rpm kerb weight 1450kg city FC - 8.8km/L If you had the intake VVT actuator removed and tune it to same tuning as above, the Camry will have the FC deteriorated to just 6-7km/L for tuning to that high plus with that weight. FYI, without VVT, the 2.0L could only tune to between 176-180Nm to get 9km/L with kerb weight of 1370kg. With 1450kg even tuned to 180Nm would experience serious underpowered and end up fuel guzzling as you need to rev harder. You think VVT for what? It's not just a name. 2nd generation full time VVT intake only could get hi-rev capability. With dual VVT, they could save FC, go hi-rev and even tune up higher to 165ps which is impossible without additional support or risk engine blown. |
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Jul 30 2013, 03:10 PM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 30 2013, 12:09 AM) If your car has VVT, example if it is Camry 2.0G '09. hahahaha, you never fail to amuse me! 1998cc with 1st generation VVT (low to mid end support only) output 147ps@6000rpm torque 190Nm@4000rpm kerb weight 1450kg city FC - 8.8km/L If you had the intake VVT actuator removed and tune it to same tuning as above, the Camry will have the FC deteriorated to just 6-7km/L for tuning to that high plus with that weight. FYI, without VVT, the 2.0L could only tune to between 176-180Nm to get 9km/L with kerb weight of 1370kg. With 1450kg even tuned to 180Nm would experience serious underpowered and end up fuel guzzling as you need to rev harder. You think VVT for what? It's not just a name. 2nd generation full time VVT intake only could get hi-rev capability. With dual VVT, they could save FC, go hi-rev and even tune up higher to 165ps which is impossible without additional support or risk engine blown. i wonder how you get all your facts from that. your own holy assumptions and fantasies again?  i know what is all this variable valve timing. stop assuming everyone know nothing and as if you know everything. pathetic lah you. you cant rebut my prev post and now come with another new bullshit.  this paragraph just proved you are flawed. stop acting like you know it all. go learn up more on vvti and dual vvti before you start babbling like a lunatic again. |
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Aug 2 2013, 10:39 PM
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115 posts Joined: Apr 2013
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Jul 30 2013, 03:10 PM) hahahaha, you never fail to amuse me! Do you own a car with VVT in the first place? If no, then what makes you qualify to talk crap here? If you only owned that old dinosaur Skyline GTR or old Subaru Impreza, that don't have VVT, only old wastegate turbocharger that draw in as much air and burn as much fuel as possible to get the extra power. If you are stuck at 90's tech, don't condemn new tech such as i wonder how you get all your facts from that. your own holy assumptions and fantasies again? i know what is all this variable valve timing. stop assuming everyone know nothing and as if you know everything. pathetic lah you. you cant rebut my prev post and now come with another new bullshit. this paragraph just proved you are flawed. stop acting like you know it all. go learn up more on vvti and dual vvti before you start babbling like a lunatic again. VVT, GDI, etc without knowing what purpose they serve. Seems like you are the 1 assuming here. If your car has VVT, kindly get video shoot of you removing it and throw it into fire furnace melting them to destruction. Then you'll find how fuel guzzling your car is to maintain at the same output/torque while with VVT. This post has been edited by jayraptor: Aug 2 2013, 10:40 PM |
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Aug 9 2013, 10:59 AM
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12,000 posts Joined: Feb 2010 From: Banting, Puchong, KL 
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 2 2013, 10:39 PM) Do you own a car with VVT in the first place? If no, then what makes you qualify to talk crap here? If you only owned that old dinosaur Skyline GTR or old Subaru Impreza, that don't have VVT, only old wastegate turbocharger that draw in as much air and burn as much fuel as possible to get the extra power. If you are stuck at 90's tech, don't condemn new tech such as nightstalker1993 <- wannabe spottedVVT, GDI, etc without knowing what purpose they serve. Seems like you are the 1 assuming here. If your car has VVT, kindly get video shoot of you removing it and throw it into fire furnace melting them to destruction. Then you'll find how fuel guzzling your car is to maintain at the same output/torque while with VVT. Gouki Are correct... even i noobs and newbies at FnF sections.... and who say oldies GTR R34 and Subaru can't remapping the ECU? just u spend a bit at ECU and some "piggy" and etc etc etc then can runs like a boss, u cannot mah... rite? inb4 learning to mods the cars.. and stop bullshiting your UN-KNOWLEDGED STUFF! read your post..... gonna come outside and slap u  |
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Aug 9 2013, 01:33 PM
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6,659 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: KL/PJ/USJ/Puchong/KKB, Sel.
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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:59 AM) nightstalker1993 <- wannabe spotted omg, u actually reply him? i already give up feeding him more trolls. lol. waste my energy to reply him lar. not worthy. lol. anyone who read his post will know he is crap. Gouki Are correct... even i noobs and newbies at FnF sections.... and who say oldies GTR R34 and Subaru can't remapping the ECU? just u spend a bit at ECU and some "piggy" and etc etc etc then can runs like a boss, u cannot mah... rite? inb4 learning to mods the cars.. and stop bullshiting your UN-KNOWLEDGED STUFF! read your post..... gonna come outside and slap u |
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Aug 9 2013, 02:19 PM
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12,000 posts Joined: Feb 2010 From: Banting, Puchong, KL
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Aug 9 2013, 01:33 PM) omg, u actually reply him? i already give up feeding him more trolls. lol. waste my energy to reply him lar. not worthy. lol. anyone who read his post will know he is crap. actually i also quite dulan his stupid post also... eum sek ban sek... ptui... Anyway... end of his topics... nub ass of the jay... call him come cheras versus me lo This post has been edited by mudkipryan94: Aug 9 2013, 02:24 PM |
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