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post Jul 25 2013, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 24 2013, 11:49 PM)
Variable air intake doesn't help reduce FC that much as seen in some earlier generation Conti, US & Koreans made when they have not able to develop proper VVT in early 2000s. Toyota SC got greedy and set short interval to cheat owners? People don't change ATF fluid that short interval for conventional AT, at least 100,000km onwards only.

Saga FLX
Engine 1332cc with VIS but no VVT
output 94ps@5750rpm
torque 120Nm@4000rpm
kerb weight - 1055kg lo-spec / 1065kg hi-spec
CVT gearbox
0-100km/h 14.5s

Fiesta 1.6 AT
Engine 1596cc dual VVT + VIS
output 122ps@6300rpm
torque 152Nm@4050rpm (website showing 148Nm ??)
kerb weight 1153kg hatchback / 1171kg sedan
6AT - strong & bigger gears 3.917 1st gear
0-100km/h forgot whether 9.9s or 9.7s

Saga relies on smaller engine & lighter weight for FC. Saga FC can't even beat Myvi 1.3VVT. How sure are you that Saga can beat Fiesta in city FC? Fiesta is 1 of the few B-segment (budget <100k) so far that could challenge Vios in real city driving. Preve Campro VVT is belt driven which is less effective like older generation Korean made when they first came up with VVT, all belt driven. Only Sonata NF Theta engine & later i30/Forte Gamma engine equipped with timing chain have proper FC comparable to Toyota.
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do not mislead ppl pls gayraptor. who says ppl dont change ATF earlier than 100k mileage? in fact most service booklets recommend customer to service at 50 or 60k intervals. if ppl's auto gearbox got prob you gonna compensate for what you said here in misleading the public? doh.gif

and pls dont make ppl laugh on your jokes, will ya? timing chain or timing belt driven engine will not determine the FC of the engine lar. lol! laugh.gif doh.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2013, 12:56 AM)
You think Toyota so kind and generous to give timing chain? FYI, timing chain cost more expensive to produce and that chain alone cause Toyota to lose out millions out of 60k timing belt replacement income. They have no choice but to give timing chain as the VVT could only operate well with timing chain.

Toyota is known as reliable & durable, some uncle doesn't even bother to change ATF and their old Toyota gearbox still in 1 piece. FYI, conventional gearbox is mechanical and the ATF fluid is there to serve as lubricant. CVT gearbox ATF not only as lubricant but to allow the movable face to operate well. 

CVT is made as more gears alternative when they could not produce 5AT with larger gears at that time. Today, gearbox manufacturers have no problem coming up with 6AT, 7AT and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart.

Probably your self made turbocharged engine have to service everything early as the air intake & exhaust part pressure doesn't comply and inefficient choking the engine. Breath in too much air and can't fart out the air well causing excessive pressure trapped inside and more carbon buildup. Have to clean everything often therefore your maintenance cost go skyrocket.

There is no joke here, only you and those who could not accept reality and facts said so to prevent the knowledge from spreading. It's an unethical strategy called make facts look like made up with you bunch outnumbering that comment.
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omfg! what bullshit are you spewing out there now? it just show how much of an idiot and moron you are! LOL! with this post, it already good enough to prove you know nutz about cars and trying to act smart or a pro here. totally misleading forumers and the public with misguided information! if those mention above is consider as information to begin with. doh.gif laugh.gif

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post Jul 25 2013, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 01:05 AM)
Ohhhh timing chain improve FC!
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i didnt know timing chain can improve FC? only timing chain can make VVTi and VTEC to work? what happen to those timing belt engines in the 90s that can rev high on vvti and vtec? i didnt know CVT has "faces" to operate well. laugh.gif
and CVT is made as more gears alternative? hahahahaha
and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart? laugh.gif doh.gif

and this really made my day laugh.gif

"Probably your self made turbocharged engine have to service everything early as the air intake & exhaust part pressure doesn't comply and inefficient choking the engine. Breath in too much air and can't fart out the air well causing excessive pressure trapped inside and more carbon buildup. Have to clean everything often therefore your maintenance cost go skyrocket.

There is no joke here, only you and those who could not accept reality and facts said so to prevent the knowledge from spreading. It's an unethical strategy called make facts look like made up with you bunch outnumbering that comment.
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hahahahahahaha. laugh.gif doh.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 01:19 AM)
Seriously im interested in the part too much air goes in cannot come out ... Lol lol lol

MAN He is Good in these stuff man!!
. Pressure build up cannot release I bet gone case d... Lolz.. But he can build a system where pressure can be trap ! KReS in turbo
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yea, damn good theory i tell u. its quantum physics that we could not comprehend. lol. laugh.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 25 2013, 08:13 AM)
Warranty cover is not so big issue..
Like the most expansive parts on gearbox?
4AT can last longer than CVT after pass 5 yrs who guarranty it?
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after 7 years, even the strongest gearbox in the world would fail if its never taken care by the previous owner properly. thats why kenny said, "wear & tear"! a lot things need to take into consideration. mileage of the car, how the car is driven, where it is driven, and how it is serviced. if u have cash to spare for wear & tear maintenance, then you can go ahead and get a used car. else stick with new cars with warranty to cover your ass if anything goes wrong. smile.gif

Nightstalker1993, look at this post. laugh.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2013, 12:56 AM)
You think Toyota so kind and generous to give timing chain? FYI, timing chain cost more expensive to produce and that chain alone cause Toyota to lose out millions out of 60k timing belt replacement income. They have no choice but to give timing chain as the VVT could only operate well with timing chain.

Toyota is known as reliable & durable, some uncle doesn't even bother to change ATF and their old Toyota gearbox still in 1 piece. FYI, conventional gearbox is mechanical and the ATF fluid is there to serve as lubricant. CVT gearbox ATF not only as lubricant but to allow the movable face to operate well. 

CVT is made as more gears alternative when they could not produce 5AT with larger gears at that time. Today, gearbox manufacturers have no problem coming up with 6AT, 7AT and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart.

Probably your self made turbocharged engine have to service everything early as the air intake & exhaust part pressure doesn't comply and inefficient choking the engine. Breath in too much air and can't fart out the air well causing excessive pressure trapped inside and more carbon buildup. Have to clean everything often therefore your maintenance cost go skyrocket.

There is no joke here, only you and those who could not accept reality and facts said so to prevent the knowledge from spreading. It's an unethical strategy called make facts look like made up with you bunch outnumbering that comment.
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post Jul 25 2013, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 25 2013, 08:29 AM)
In the first place, once you bought the use car, if that car is purely accident free..
So why you too worried?

For example on my 2003 sentra and clocks over 150k Mileage already.

What I did.. Change the engine oil, 4AT oil, suspension that so... Still can last another 10 yrs.

Make sure you do interval 5k Km for serving & maintenance, what is the faulty parts and change on next serving.

These car also like human, didn't take bath and sleep or change cloths, even new born baby also will faulty.
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your case is pure luck. not all used car is problem free. as the name suggest "used" car, so its used. every parts in a car has its designed lifetime somehow. although the jap could be less problem compare to the conti rides, but they will still have the chances to fail due to wear & tear. every mechanical parts that move will fail sooner or later due to wear and tear. bushings, engine mounting, absorbers, driveshafts, water pump, oil pump, fuel pump, valve springs, valve, valve retainers, camshafts, piston, piston ring, conrod, crankshaft bearing, gearbox, clutch, flywheel, brake pump, power steering pump, steering rack and etc. all this moving parts will sooner to fail. old car means old car bro. smile.gif

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post Jul 25 2013, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 25 2013, 08:45 AM)
i just heard from my colleague that ATF is changed every 100k
he might got the information from this fella....
if one going to drive the car 20k km per year the ATF going to last him 5 years
for me i have no confident that the ATF remain unchange in my GB for 5 years sweat.gif

for me i going to change it around 30-40k interval


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thats why, only nutcase will recommend ppl to change ATF at 100k or more. most common gearboxes do not has ATF filter like the engine did. the earlier u change your ATF, the better. heck, i changed my ATF every 10 or 20k on my previous ride. coz it's ATF was cheap. tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 25 2013, 08:58 AM)
Sure or not?
From I know, 4AT Gb in recond set only cost less than 5k all in, if really unlucky.

How bout new saga SV CVT?
Over 10k right? If after warranty or unlucky.
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5k, thats coz its recond unit bro. try ask for the new gearbox in Toyota SC and you will either cry or laugh for insanity. lol. but even 5k is expensive for a recond unit. i believe for any new car after the 5 years warranty, its only used 5 years compare to a 2006 vios. its already 7 years now, and he buys one and use another 5 years, it will be 12 years. so its all about individual preference and financial ability to maintain a car. if u can afford and has some cash to spare for a used car, by all means go ahead and get the car u can dream off. else, just stick with new car with warranty. smile.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 25 2013, 09:33 AM)
If you have own more than 10 yrs old ride until now, you sure appreciated of old car vs new car today.

For me I am to be the hobby as sentra N16 now.
If you feel free and join me here : https://www.facebook.com/groups/344926425626409/
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reality and dream are two diff thing bro. just like how i am a big fan of the legendary supra, skyline, mr2, ae86 and etc. but all this old car has a price to pay if u wanna own one now. 1st u must have the knowledge about cars, 2nd is the extra cash to spare to regularly do the preventive maintenance. if not it would be a hassle to only fix the car when u drive it till breakdown. thats why, for most noob that is fresh graduate and looking for their 1st car to buy. best go for new one, unless otherwise as i mentioned above. smile.gif

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post Jul 25 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:29 AM)
Like a member of the inspira gang whom use to own and fd3s.. now driving er34 with rb26dett. Keep poison me get my dream ride fd3s.. i told him even i can buy cash .. the car will be my daily cash wash and polishing model.. lolzzz
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the nissan either rb25 or rb26, they are pretty tough and bullet proof engine. as for the rx7, diff case. to own a rx7, u must have another 13b engine as spare in your storeroom. lol. it only can be your 3rd or 4th ride at home. mind my word, not even as 2nd ride. due to msian hot weather, that rotary apex seal wears off pretty quickly here. lol. sweat.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:39 AM)
ofcoz like you said earlier better
but when i go to see my "under-tree" ah beng workshop at 20k interval gear oil change he said i siao that y i change it at 30k doh.gif
wah people owned ER34 also interest with PRC smell wub.gif
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if u drive normally like a sane person, then 30 or 40k should be fine. as for my previous ride, i trash it pretty hard, so the 90bux for 3L ATF every 10k is no big deal, rather than a brand new gearbox. lol. tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(habibz84 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:41 AM)
rx8 also same bro?
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slightly better than the rx7 due to two things, genesis 13b rotary, its a more refine motor from mazda but cant hide the fact it is still rotary, another point is its NA, so less stress on the rotary, but it still need more care and attention and wears off faster than ordinary engine do. and this rotary engines really guzzle quite some engine oil. expecting 1L for every 2-5k mileage depends on the engine condition. i still see many rx7 and rx8 visiting this famous rotary workshop in usj1. lol tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:42 AM)
yup .. he told me that .. infact he did have a spare 13B in his store when he got his ride .. lolz ...
and my inspira is on his rx7 ori allu wheels ... brows.gif
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eh, rx7 rims nice meh? tongue.gif

QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:44 AM)
its just a crappy satria  doh.gif
i bought it a very cheap price about 13k for 2005 auto last year
going to change it to manual auto is fucuking serow sad.gif
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haha, my previous ride's auto has paddle shifters, not cheap to replace. sweat.gif
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post Jul 25 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(habibz84 @ Jul 25 2013, 10:53 AM)
this is still 1 of my dream car.but looking at the cost of maintenance, i can say this car is not for me  sweat.gif but now i see at mudah got many ppl selling off this car around 80k-90k. wonder why.
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hahaha, there is reason why is cheap, buying one is easy, maintaining one is the big prob. lol.
i love the rx7, especially in Amemiya spec and look. but too bad, not the time yet. lol. even got money, no time to lepak at workshop all the time for the car. lol. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(johnlaw @ Jul 25 2013, 05:49 PM)
Second hand car higher interests and no promotions too.
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well, sad to say, new cars from proton and perodua have the almost same interest region offered compare to used japanese by this bank loan. 3%+ smile.gif
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post Jul 29 2013, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 26 2013, 10:06 PM)
You actually don't know that valve timing works best with timing belt? That shows your lack of knowledge. If you lack the knowledge, go find out rather than blast blindly just because of your own personal reason out of hatred.

Timing chain does not improve FC. However, valve timing such as Toyota VVTi, Hyundai/Kia CVVT, Ford Ti-VCT, Mazda SVT do and they required timing chain to operate at optimum level.

Honda original VTEC is meant for high end hi-rev use, not meant for FC by the way. The way it works different from Toyota hydraulic VVT that was adopted by many carmakers today. Only the i-VTEC onwards, it was made for FC + hi-end performance.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 24 2013, 11:49 PM)
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Saga relies on smaller engine & lighter weight for FC. Saga FC can't even beat Myvi 1.3VVT. How sure are you that Saga can beat Fiesta in city FC? Fiesta is 1 of the few B-segment (budget <100k) so far that could challenge Vios in real city driving. Preve Campro VVT is belt driven which is less effective like older generation Korean made when they first came up with VVT, all belt driven. Only Sonata NF Theta engine & later i30/Forte Gamma engine equipped with timing chain have proper FC comparable to Toyota.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 25 2013, 12:56 AM)
You think Toyota so kind and generous to give timing chain? FYI, timing chain cost more expensive to produce and that chain alone cause Toyota to lose out millions out of 60k timing belt replacement income. They have no choice but to give timing chain as the VVT could only operate well with timing chain.
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So replying to your own red comments in your posts, pls make up your mind. you are full of contradiction yourself. So VVT best work with timing belt or chain now? do not put words in my mouth. it is you who cant even make up your mind if VVT best work with belt or chain. u said chain, then u replied me again say belt? so who is the noob now? blind hatred? hatred of what? i never say a word in my previous comments i hate anything. its all your own assumptions and fantasies! LOL! laugh.gif

Not i said, you did. rolleyes.gif

with this paragraph in blue, just proved how "smart" you are. Just a tip for you, most VVT and VVL are activated by hydraulics. rolleyes.gif

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post Jul 30 2013, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 30 2013, 12:09 AM)
If your car has VVT, example if it is Camry 2.0G '09.
1998cc with 1st generation VVT (low to mid end support only)
output 147ps@6000rpm
torque 190Nm@4000rpm
kerb weight 1450kg
city FC - 8.8km/L

If you had the intake VVT actuator removed and tune it to same tuning as above, the Camry will have the FC deteriorated to just 6-7km/L for tuning to that high plus with that weight. FYI, without VVT, the 2.0L could only tune to between 176-180Nm to get 9km/L with kerb weight of 1370kg. With 1450kg even tuned to 180Nm would experience serious underpowered and end up fuel guzzling as you need to rev harder. You think VVT for what? It's not just a name.

2nd generation full time VVT intake only could get hi-rev capability. With dual VVT, they could save FC, go hi-rev and even tune up higher to 165ps which is impossible without additional support or risk engine blown.
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hahahaha, you never fail to amuse me! laugh.gif doh.gif
i wonder how you get all your facts from that. your own holy assumptions and fantasies again? rclxms.gif
i know what is all this variable valve timing. stop assuming everyone know nothing and as if you know everything. pathetic lah you. you cant rebut my prev post and now come with another new bullshit. yawn.gif


this paragraph just proved you are flawed. stop acting like you know it all. go learn up more on vvti and dual vvti before you start babbling like a lunatic again. rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 9 2013, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:59 AM)
nightstalker1993 <- wannabe spotted

Gouki Are correct...
even i noobs and newbies at FnF sections.... and
who say oldies GTR R34 and Subaru can't remapping the ECU? laugh.gif
just u spend a bit at ECU and some "piggy" and etc etc etc
then can runs like a boss, u cannot mah... rite? laugh.gif

inb4 learning to mods the cars.. whistling.gif whistling.gif

and stop bullshiting your UN-KNOWLEDGED STUFF! rolleyes.gif  yawn.gif
read your post..... gonna come outside and slap u  vmad.gif
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omg, u actually reply him? i already give up feeding him more trolls. lol. waste my energy to reply him lar. not worthy. lol. anyone who read his post will know he is crap. laugh.gif

 

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