Guy~ pls advise, which 1 shud i get, the price is jus about 4k different

-Toyota Vios 2006 G-spec ( 120km +/-)
-Proton Saga SV

Why and why not u choose vios / saga

Saga CVT uses the same engine block as a normal Campro, but the cams and piston are different from the older Saga BLM. This is to redistribute the torque across the RPM range. You are right it does not have VVT.

Whats wrong with timing belt? The Fiesta Duratec TiVCT also use timing belt. Fark, it doesnt even have independent ignition coil!

CVT oil change at 60k km for RM400, 4AT oil change every 20k km for around RM150. You tell me which is cheaper. A well maintained CVT can last quite long, Proton has tested the Belgium made CVT for up to 250k km, so it is largely reliable. The true weakness of CVT is that it is sensitive to heat and even though the Saga is fitted with a CVTF cooler, you should not subject it to high torque load for prolonged periods of time. This is true for any CVT aplication.

As for the Vios, I assume it is the old gen Vios as my house has the very last batch of the NCP42 model bought in 2007, done around 90k km. Maintained according to schedule it is a damn reliable workhorse, but even so some parts have already been replaced eg. Valve seal, wheel bearings, driveshaft, engine mounting is due for a replacement, and lately there have been weird noises from the engine bay which we still have not identify the source.

If the car is well taken care of it can last quite some time I figure, if the TS knows where to find an honest mechanic to service it then he is good to go. But the caveat is the car must be found in good condition to begin with.

The Vios at home changed every 40k km as per the schedule given by the SC's SA. Forgot the price, but it was not less than RM200.

Anyway, the lack of VVT is somewhat mitigated by a variable intake manifold aka the IAFM. Not as efficient as VVT, but it helps nonetheless. My FLX SE's FC was not much worse than my Fiesta's (keyword here is NOT MUCH WORSE, but still not as good), partly because the Saga was running on CVT. Bear in mind Ford brought many new tech to bear, including twin variable cam timing (intake and exhaust) as well as dual-clutch. Not to forget, I paid a lot more for the Ford as well.

You can always theorize how stepped transmissions is cheaper to maintain and how VVT is superior than everything. But you have to drive and maintain the car to see if those theories hold water in reality.

Like I said, in terms of refinement, comfort and FC the Vios still owns the Saga CVT. You just have to get a one in prime condition, otherwise if you get a problematic unit with parts at the end of their operational lifetime, you might as well get the Proton - at least warranty is free.

Out of topic, just FYI, Preve's CFE Campro comes with VVT.

do not mislead ppl pls gayraptor. who says ppl dont change ATF earlier than 100k mileage? in fact most service booklets recommend customer to service at 50 or 60k intervals. if ppl's auto gearbox got prob you gonna compensate for what you said here in misleading the public?

and pls dont make ppl laugh on your jokes, will ya? timing chain or timing belt driven engine will not determine the FC of the engine lar. lol!  

omfg! what bullshit are you spewing out there now? it just show how much of an idiot and moron you are! LOL! with this post, it already good enough to prove you know nutz about cars and trying to act smart or a pro here. totally misleading forumers and the public with misguided information! if those mention above is consider as information to begin with.   


i didnt know timing chain can improve FC? only timing chain can make VVTi and VTEC to work? what happen to those timing belt engines in the 90s that can rev high on vvti and vtec? i didnt know CVT has "faces" to operate well. laugh.gif
and CVT is made as more gears alternative? hahahahaha
and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart? laugh.gif doh.gif

and this really made my day laugh.gif

hahahaha, you never fail to amuse me!   
i wonder how you get all your facts from that. your own holy assumptions and fantasies again? 
i know what is all this variable valve timing. stop assuming everyone know nothing and as if you know everything. pathetic lah you. you cant rebut my prev post and now come with another new bullshit. 

this paragraph just proved you are flawed. stop acting like you know it all. go learn up more on vvti and dual vvti before you start babbling like a lunatic again.