Guy~ pls advise, which 1 shud i get, the price is jus about 4k different

-Toyota Vios 2006 G-spec ( 120km +/-)
-Proton Saga SV

Why and why not u choose vios / saga



This post has been edited by ItsWL: Jul 21 2013, 01:18 PM

Saga new, Vios not. Similar cars. Running costs for the Vios will be higher.

saga headlamp already win

viosTRD

Vios

120K KM
i would say saga SV if price only different 4k

get the saga pls, and worry free. at least for first 3-5 yrs if u service regularly.

the vios is quite beaten up at 120k mileage. wont even consider this at all.

Godlike vios if u want to show off

"Poor losers get saga sv" if u want peace of mind

a typical toyota car can run up to 150k-200k km without overhaul

and i havent seen a car that can run as good as new on the road after overhaul

if you plan to use the car for at least 10 years, just ignore the vios

overhaul and good as new?
look for maddriver
at least got warranty from him.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...91&hl=maddriver

SV and make sure service in SC during warranty period.

I'll go Vios used, make sure it is accident free and the wiring is not altered. 120,00km, no problem. Even if you send the Vios to Toyota SC for full engine overhaul, it will only cost RM4k at most. FC wise is king, city driving can get 12km/L when others are at 9-10km/L. Toyota conventional gearbox would only get little slippage after breaching way over 200,000km or 230,000km depends on how well the owner treat the car. Still can engage all the gears without issue, hassle free.

I won't buy Saga because of its old tech engine, still using timing belt I assume and probably without VVT. Gearbox if CVT, that is even wanted to avoid at all cost. Not sure whether local gearbox overhaul shops can fix that today. I've seen how City and Sylphy owners have to buy new rather than fix when theirs had the steel belt dislocated previously. Maintenance for CVT also higher, have to pay RM400+ at 60,000km service interval. Not cool.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 21 2013, 10:26 PM

1st time buyer = Saga SV
Experience user = Vios 2006 G but running cost will be higher. More headache to maintain a 7 years old car.

No brainer its the saga. My friend just like you bought the old vios. The problem occur slowly because you cant see what had happened to the car in the past. So far the serious problem he encountered is the brake master pump. A car around that mileage is just like time bomb, you just wont know which parts are giving out soon.

Saga CVT uses the same engine block as a normal Campro, but the cams and piston are different from the older Saga BLM. This is to redistribute the torque across the RPM range. You are right it does not have VVT.

Whats wrong with timing belt? The Fiesta Duratec TiVCT also use timing belt. Fark, it doesnt even have independent ignition coil!

CVT oil change at 60k km for RM400, 4AT oil change every 20k km for around RM150. You tell me which is cheaper. A well maintained CVT can last quite long, Proton has tested the Belgium made CVT for up to 250k km, so it is largely reliable. The true weakness of CVT is that it is sensitive to heat and even though the Saga is fitted with a CVTF cooler, you should not subject it to high torque load for prolonged periods of time. This is true for any CVT aplication.

As for the Vios, I assume it is the old gen Vios as my house has the very last batch of the NCP42 model bought in 2007, done around 90k km. Maintained according to schedule it is a damn reliable workhorse, but even so some parts have already been replaced eg. Valve seal, wheel bearings, driveshaft, engine mounting is due for a replacement, and lately there have been weird noises from the engine bay which we still have not identify the source.

If the car is well taken care of it can last quite some time I figure, if the TS knows where to find an honest mechanic to service it then he is good to go. But the caveat is the car must be found in good condition to begin with.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 22 2013, 12:31 AM

myvi(os) still running in excellent condition despite 180k clocked since 2007. this 1.5G is the last batch before the dugong came out. people said high maintenance after warranty expired, but the truth is the opposite. im in the peace of mind in regards of maintaining this car. the exterior design also better than the dugongs. plus the FC is incredible too!

maybe its my luck for not getting the lemon one but my vios is too reliable that i cant find any faults to replace it.

Saga SV, Vios first gen too old.

damn that means kenot lesing banyak lorh

Do you mean P1 Saga 4AT ATF fluid change at 20,000km interval? That is truly unacceptable. Toyota gearbox, they stated oil change at 100,000km while many uncles don't even bother to change and the gearbox still in 1 piece after 200,000km.

As long as it's CVT and no valve timing, I would avoid. Valve timing is compulsory nowadays and must have dual VVT for newer cars. Without VVT is like no fuel injection back in 90's end up high on FC. Today's cars are much heavier than back then and VVT especially dual is the answer to overcome size + weight problem without compromising FC.

Later tech, it will be compulsory for GDI + Turbocharged.

My wira 96' sohc no vvti running with fuel injection, only the cons is dun have lancer gt rear 50kg metal bar