The Vios at home changed every 40k km as per the schedule given by the SC's SA. Forgot the price, but it was not less than RM200.

Anyway, the lack of VVT is somewhat mitigated by a variable intake manifold aka the IAFM. Not as efficient as VVT, but it helps nonetheless. My FLX SE's FC was not much worse than my Fiesta's (keyword here is NOT MUCH WORSE, but still not as good), partly because the Saga was running on CVT. Bear in mind Ford brought many new tech to bear, including twin variable cam timing (intake and exhaust) as well as dual-clutch. Not to forget, I paid a lot more for the Ford as well.

You can always theorize how stepped transmissions is cheaper to maintain and how VVT is superior than everything. But you have to drive and maintain the car to see if those theories hold water in reality.

Like I said, in terms of refinement, comfort and FC the Vios still owns the Saga CVT. You just have to get a one in prime condition, otherwise if you get a problematic unit with parts at the end of their operational lifetime, you might as well get the Proton - at least warranty is free.

Out of topic, just FYI, Preve's CFE Campro comes with VVT.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 23 2013, 02:26 PM

Variable air intake doesn't help reduce FC that much as seen in some earlier generation Conti, US & Koreans made when they have not able to develop proper VVT in early 2000s. Toyota SC got greedy and set short interval to cheat owners? People don't change ATF fluid that short interval for conventional AT, at least 100,000km onwards only.

Saga FLX
Engine 1332cc with VIS but no VVT
output 94ps@5750rpm
torque 120Nm@4000rpm
kerb weight - 1055kg lo-spec / 1065kg hi-spec
CVT gearbox
0-100km/h 14.5s

Fiesta 1.6 AT
Engine 1596cc dual VVT + VIS
output 122ps@6300rpm
torque 152Nm@4050rpm (website showing 148Nm ??)
kerb weight 1153kg hatchback / 1171kg sedan
6AT - strong & bigger gears 3.917 1st gear
0-100km/h forgot whether 9.9s or 9.7s

Saga relies on smaller engine & lighter weight for FC. Saga FC can't even beat Myvi 1.3VVT. How sure are you that Saga can beat Fiesta in city FC? Fiesta is 1 of the few B-segment (budget <100k) so far that could challenge Vios in real city driving. Preve Campro VVT is belt driven which is less effective like older generation Korean made when they first came up with VVT, all belt driven. Only Sonata NF Theta engine & later i30/Forte Gamma engine equipped with timing chain have proper FC comparable to Toyota.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 24 2013, 11:50 PM

I didn't say Saga FC can beat Fiesta, I said the difference is not huge, but Fiesta still runs more economically. Also, the Saga I was comparing to was the FLX SE 1.6l, not the 1.3l.

I sold my Saga FLX SE 1.6 at 14k km, my Fiesta is around 13k km at the moment, and I do keep track of my FC during my ownership of both cars. Like I said, we can go on and on about paper figures all year long, but in my personal experience as owner of both cars, I can't say the difference is really that significant. Once you have learnt how to drive the CVT (For example, I monitor my instant fuel consumption to train my footwork), the Saga can be quite economical as well. Most complaints about the high FC with the FLX stems from owners driving the CVT like a regular 4AT.

do not mislead ppl pls gayraptor. who says ppl dont change ATF earlier than 100k mileage? in fact most service booklets recommend customer to service at 50 or 60k intervals. if ppl's auto gearbox got prob you gonna compensate for what you said here in misleading the public?

and pls dont make ppl laugh on your jokes, will ya? timing chain or timing belt driven engine will not determine the FC of the engine lar. lol!

You think Toyota so kind and generous to give timing chain? FYI, timing chain cost more expensive to produce and that chain alone cause Toyota to lose out millions out of 60k timing belt replacement income. They have no choice but to give timing chain as the VVT could only operate well with timing chain.

Toyota is known as reliable & durable, some uncle doesn't even bother to change ATF and their old Toyota gearbox still in 1 piece. FYI, conventional gearbox is mechanical and the ATF fluid is there to serve as lubricant. CVT gearbox ATF not only as lubricant but to allow the movable face to operate well.

CVT is made as more gears alternative when they could not produce 5AT with larger gears at that time. Today, gearbox manufacturers have no problem coming up with 6AT, 7AT and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart.

Probably your self made turbocharged engine have to service everything early as the air intake & exhaust part pressure doesn't comply and inefficient choking the engine. Breath in too much air and can't fart out the air well causing excessive pressure trapped inside and more carbon buildup. Have to clean everything often therefore your maintenance cost go skyrocket.

There is no joke here, only you and those who could not accept reality and facts said so to prevent the knowledge from spreading. It's an unethical strategy called make facts look like made up with you bunch outnumbering that comment.

Ohhhh timing chain improve FC!

omfg! what bullshit are you spewing out there now? it just show how much of an idiot and moron you are! LOL! with this post, it already good enough to prove you know nutz about cars and trying to act smart or a pro here. totally misleading forumers and the public with misguided information! if those mention above is consider as information to begin with.

This post has been edited by Gouki: Jul 25 2013, 01:14 AM

No wonder my ex5 so.good fc, running.with.timing chain

i didnt know timing chain can improve FC? only timing chain can make VVTi and VTEC to work? what happen to those timing belt engines in the 90s that can rev high on vvti and vtec? i didnt know CVT has "faces" to operate well.
and CVT is made as more gears alternative? hahahahaha
and the latest 10AT gearbox with much larger gears than the Manual transmission counterpart?

and this really made my day

"Probably your self made turbocharged engine have to service everything early as the air intake & exhaust part pressure doesn't comply and inefficient choking the engine. Breath in too much air and can't fart out the air well causing excessive pressure trapped inside and more carbon buildup. Have to clean everything often therefore your maintenance cost go skyrocket.

There is no joke here, only you and those who could not accept reality and facts said so to prevent the knowledge from spreading. It's an unethical strategy called make facts look like made up with you bunch outnumbering that comment."

hahahahahahaha.

ppl says u listen la..
CVT with ATF oil u know! Its professional okay!
I says I fill in cap buruh he says kenot

U dun try to spread lies la.. Ppl wan tell fact

Seriously im interested in the part too much air goes in cannot come out ... Lol lol lol

MAN He is Good in these stuff man!!
. Pressure build up cannot release I bet gone case d... Lolz.. But he can build a system where pressure can be trap ! KReS in turbo

yea, damn good theory i tell u. its quantum physics that we could not comprehend. lol.

TS since you have add in the list of 2006 dugong then why not dugong?

Better feature & better show off & better magnet chick & Toyota 4AT more reliable & better FC also & more dugong power to ride...

Saga SV for budget only, even my 10 yrs sentra quality & NVH still better than saga or myvi.

I dun really agree with this..

U need to take consideration of how long the TS plan to use the car? Did he budget of much for maintenance?

2006 vios is 7years old today. No matter T or H or N.. There is so call Tear and Wear.. And 7 years car u need to do quite a lot replacement for old parts d. As for a new ride, it might not be better build than T H or N, but its cover in warranty. And if TS were meant to drive 2-3 years an change the ride.. Im sure new car here is more worthit. Not to mention the skyrocket dugung used price.. But by the time the TS wanted to sell it off (2-3 years ) it would be 10years old and the price will suddenly dip due to unable to loan from bank

Juz my 20 cent.

expert said that vios more 100k km will be more fuel efficiency

Warranty cover is not so big issue..
Like the most expansive parts on gearbox?
4AT can last longer than CVT after pass 5 yrs who guarranty it?

Did u actually read what I wrote?

after 7 years, even the strongest gearbox in the world would fail if its never taken care by the previous owner properly. thats why kenny said, "wear & tear"! a lot things need to take into consideration. mileage of the car, how the car is driven, where it is driven, and how it is serviced. if u have cash to spare for wear & tear maintenance, then you can go ahead and get a used car. else stick with new cars with warranty to cover your ass if anything goes wrong.

Nightstalker1993, look at this post.

This post has been edited by Gouki: Jul 25 2013, 08:23 AM

In the first place, once you bought the use car, if that car is purely accident free..
So why you too worried?

For example on my 2003 sentra and clocks over 150k Mileage already.

What I did.. Change the engine oil, 4AT oil, suspension that so... Still can last another 10 yrs.

Make sure you do interval 5k Km for serving & maintenance, what is the faulty parts and change on next serving.

These car also like human, didn't take bath and sleep or change cloths, even new born baby also will faulty.

I wonder where TS find the Vios so cheap, because the 2007 Vios NCP42 in my home is valued at RM45-50k.

Buying a 6 year old car at that price really isn't the best way to spend your money.