hi i'm a fresh graduate, working at Jobstreet as software engineer where they offering RM 2500 vs altera RM 2900 + 500 allowance.

anyone, if you got these 2 offers, which 1 do you choose? anyone has comment about these 2 companies pls give me a guide.

u got both offer or wat..?? u so kengz 1 ar...

both at penang rite.
wat i noe is both r oso expanding.

altera is a US based comp in penang. located in bayan lepas.
they hav a gud benefit as they r foreign company. one thing is u need to work hard. tis info i get thru google and frens in penang working around the area. i was unlucky coz they rejected my application.

i dunno bout workin jobstreet.

Jobstreet's offer also quite good one ar...abit regret not to attend the interview last time...

what u do in jobstreet?
i mean, do you develop software and so on?

because software eng as i understand they are developing the software or you can call it engineering tools to be sold together with their semicon product....

in term of job satisfaction and benefit wise, altera wont be below to jobstreet so down to the question is what is your work type preferences and wat software eng do in jobstreet compare to altera

jobstreet u work half way boh song can use company database find job easily

i got jobstreet offer already, but altera pass first interview and waiting for their call.

well, jobstreet is doing web base system, they offer me a job that working in R&D department for maintaining and research about jobstreet's online system.

i get a call from jobstreet and i told them i'm still considering about altera, and she(a job consultant) tell me that altera got high pay but very few exposure and software tools they use are just for their own product, so if u want change company, it's quite hard for u because you only learn c/C++ for their product.

she continues to mention that jobstreet is different, they will send me for training, expose to new technology, and is not like working in a factory and keep coding only.

so you guys think what she said is true? actually i can work with c/c++ or .net as well coz i know both of them. And now the problem is regarding my future i think once i step into either, there is no turning back for me. and i have to keep moving onward on the particular language.

what she say is "almost" true. working in a mnc is about specializing ur skill. so basically u wont handle job far away from your own job scope. smaller company tent to do "one leg kick" and handle more of the related job.

regarding about training and expose to new technology, there is not much diff.. company do send their staff for training... and keep their staff up to date on what happening around the industry....

whether altera or jobstreet.. then u have to think what type of work env u like and what the opportunity you have in both company lo.... like wat you have in the next 3 years?

bare in mind that know more and handle more job responsibility doesnt mean better pay in future.... example will be u know alot of coding language, but u wanted to jump to a company tat specilize C++, so ur other coding language experience is not relevent anymore.. this is where the generalist and the specilist case come in.... get wat i mean ar? poor english sorry..

just talk to both party more question although both company will try to brain wash u....

hope it help.. good luck

thanks for you advice. one question regarding working at altera, do i have any chance to expose to customers or other parties rather than sitting and coding? i don hopes to sit and code everyday, but i hope at least got 10-25% of time can go out to meet customer or somebody.

anyone know more about altera can answer me this question?

nope chances meeting customer are towards 0%. you will talk to Apps Engineer and those ppl come out with the software requirement....

so basically, you stay in the factory...

altera guy here actually

This post has been edited by RynLCyn: May 10 2006, 02:38 PM

good luck luu erictioh! whichever choice u make I hope it's the best choice for u!

hey altera pay Rm 2900 + 500 (allowance) right? this is a very high amount for fresh graduate. can i know how much is ur salary increment after 1 or 2 years working ?

another thing, i heard many peoples working in software development company saying normally they leave office beyond the fixed time, say the fix time office hour end is 5 pm, but no 1 move on 5 pm but somewhere around 6 to 7 pm only got ppl leave.

i think all software companies will have such case, but just more or less only. so wanna know the percentage that altera employee leave late is how much? coz you know if every day leave late is kinda suffer le...

trust me. u'll get used to it.
sometimes u wish for more time if there's a lot of deadlines to meet

hi, can i know u are in whch department?

oledi go altera 2nd interview but long time no reply...might be gone as well

maybe want to apply different post in altera

wow u are lucky man RM 2900 + 500 = my salary * 2 .i'm fresh graduate also. by the way what is "mnc" means?

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MNC = multinational company


RM3400, wah tinggi lah

I work for (check avatar logo), developing internal tools for the Design & Development ppl for nearly 2 years now (joined as fresh grad - but your salary is higher than when I started). I work on C++ and another obscure language that cannot be mentioned, never worked on web-based/XML/.Net stuff; I guess you can use my experience for comparison if you take the Altera job.

Pros:
1. Specialization
I'm one of few in Malaysia who know the tools and the prog language, so our skills are pretty specialized. Being a specialist, there's some sense of job security as it's in the company's best interest to retain me if there are layoffs as it's difficult and expensive to find a replacement for ppl with the knowledge I have.

Cons:
1. Over-specialization
Because I've never done all the cool new stuff like XML/.Net/AJAX etc since I grad, changing jobs will be difficult - will have to start from zero.

You'll have to make the decision, but most MNCs invest a lot in training up their ppl, so the jobstreet lady really sounds desperate (and trying to mislead you).

Another note: programming is about concepts - if you really understand the concepts then switching languages is not that hard. There are developers here who can work on C++/C#/Phyton/PERL at the same time and do pretty amazing stuff.

This post has been edited by cks2k2: May 11 2006, 09:49 AM

salary ok wat...

Of course Altera better lah. I heard got stock sumore

altera's software is actually quite advanced and you'll have travelling opportunity. their travel allowance is very good.
and they are building a multi-storey car park, so if you drive there, you car will be well protected and you don't have to pay.
leaving work after the normal time is normal, wait till you have to stay in till late night during crunch period

It is too early you consider about Altera.
Start to consider only when Altera gives you an offer.
If you got both, definately Altera is better. I can list down some of their benifit:
1) book allowance 500 per year
2) stock option
3) rather flexi working hour
4) depends on dept, but very rare most of the time, you don't have to work late
5) Travelling, but depends on your jobs function
6) Free Oreo similiar biscuits in the canteen, and free flow of milo & coffee (DIY)

But sounds to me that you are not from Engineering background (doing FPGA etc), thus you can omit (5)

well...im oso a fresh grad and got altera offer as well...
but mine is "product eng" department..
ppl alwaz said product eng is most no future depart..isit true?
hehe..sori tumpang thread ask q...

anyway i alr accept the offer..
now waiting to start work at june onli...

This post has been edited by jojoko1982: May 12 2006, 01:09 AM

hha.. good luck eric.. whichever u take u will be going penang.

well...i got a fren got same offer as u--altera soft depart..
and i think it is a veri good offer for a fresh grad..
at least his paid 3425 is higher among all our coursemates..

an for me...there is no such thing as "no turning back"...
act i oso work at ter see see 1st..
if reli not suit mah change lo...
intel would b another good choice...

go for the 2nd interview 1st la..
if pass the 2nd in..then onli dilemma la..


This post has been edited by jojoko1982: May 12 2006, 01:29 AM

jojoko,are you from MMU Cyber?

I worked in JobStreet, R&D dept. before. and then I work in a MNC comp.
so, I guess I am qualify to answer your question
what the job consultant told you is abosolutely true! the R&D lead in jobstreet is a cool guy, he is super well versed in programming.

MNC:
after I joined MNC, I really can see the diff of getting hands on experience in difference tool and technology. you know lah, big company... rules and regulations here and there, bureaucracy.. so if you wanna develop something or do something with certain tools... always have to inline with dept. direction. by the time you had a chance to touch on SQL Server 2005, people already use Service Pack 3 or 4
ya... you may get a chance to travel once in a while, but you are still young and jes junior entry, no rush lah.

If you really like programming and wanna brush up your skills.. go for JobStreet.
by the way, jobstreet programmers are full of young dudes now.. quite a fun place to work I believe.

This post has been edited by bobtiang: May 12 2006, 02:23 AM

may i know why you choose to change from jobstreet to the MNC company? and if i join jobstreet, the starting salary is 2500, how much will be my salary after 2 years if i perform well and not lazy i just want to know an estimation only thanks ya....

aha.... i knew you will ask me why I change from JStreet to MNC
well, the reason is quite simple, I love branded company, the salary is higher and I love travel after working for some time.

2 years... i think optimistically.. you can expect a 9-11% increase. thats a normal practice, unless they really lost their revenue.
so, after 2 years, you may get ~3K.

JStreet is listed nowadays, I am not sure how the employee purchase the option. you can check out with them, any other benefit or bonuses.

can i know what's ur highest qualification ? why can offer so much?

hehe..nope..
im form UPM..
tat's y eric yr84 and me yr82..
but we stil grad at de same time..

if you have a degree,
MNC can offer you at least 2.4-2.8K
Altera offer more cause they dont have bonuses, am I right?
JobStreet is not MNC, but they do offer good deal.

altera do give bonuses for 2 months actually their base salary is 2900 + 500 is bonus, it's not allowance i misunderstood.

hey u see altera give 3400 from job start even they din increase the salary for 2 years i think for working in jobstreet, salary after 2 years also cant reach 3400 la right?

so in term of salary, sure rugi lor if go jobstreet? ? can i say like this?

This post has been edited by erictioh84: May 12 2006, 04:02 PM

Altera pay is pretty high. The monthly salary includes your annual, contractual bonus (divided evenly in 12 months). As for benefit wise, it's not bad either. Altera will be my choice if I were you.

This post has been edited by David83: May 12 2006, 04:04 PM

the job consultant keep saying the jobstreet have better expose but altera not. and salary increment in jobstreet is faster. what you guys say about this?

as i count, if i work in altera for 3 years without increment is 3400x36=122400;

for working 3 years in jobstreet i assume in 2nd year my salary is 2800 and 3rd year my salary is 3400, all togehter : (2500x13)+(2800x13)+(3400x13)= 113100

see it's still lower than what i get in altera. then what benefits jobstreet has? salary sure altera wins.

The benefits programme that Altera won't be bad. I can't remember much; they mentioned in their career talk.

i dun think ur income for future 3 yrs can b counted like tis..
rem..altera got stock options, travel bonus, car loan bonus, yearly incement around 5%, etc, etc....

and oso...nowadays job hopping is a veri normal case..
so..no need count til 3 yrs la..
who know wat happen 2mr???

looks like your priority for the time being is salary. i can sense that you are pretty much prefer Altera.
of course, pay wise.. JStreet sure a bit lower compare to a many years MNC.
but, let me jes remind you that, you daily job scope, ppl around you, working environment... all this have to take into consideration. a few hundreds bucks wont compensate all this, at least for me.
and again, if you really wanna brush up your programming skills, go for JStreet.


anyway, its up to you to pick. else later, you blame us...
so, make up your own mind....

by the way, who interviewed you in JStreet and Altera?

This post has been edited by bobtiang: May 13 2006, 06:57 AM

i have got the job offer from jobstreet, the guy interviewed we is at cyberjaya branch forgotten his name already.

for altera i only pass first interview, and they have asked me to go for onsite interview.

why i'm so desperate because jobstreet want me to confirm with them early.

can i ask a question.. why you guys said if i wanna brush up my programming skill then i go for jstreet else go for altera? no programming brush up in altera ?

^Maybe you'll be dealing with more web and high level programming at Jobstreet than at Altera.

act wat background r u? EE?
hehe..1 more thing..my fren ter said soft dep got many leng lui oh...

offtopic: UGPM for monitor

coz I know JStreet R&D got a great lead, very techy in programming.
and in R&D, as the name goes...
Research - explore the best solution for a given biz requirement
Development - and with the research outcome, develop the product

for Altera, I would say most of the project technology has been fixed. normally you have to do whatever needed with the company best know practice. it's like you have to do it their way kind of thingy. I am not really sure about Altera soft dept. any guys from Altera? please advice.

and someone said Intel is another good choice.. why? look at the share price... ~USD19

yeah..agree...
if im not mistaken intel is the onli company which offer stock option (0.7unit==700 stocks!!!) FOC totally!!!
altera 1 is onli stock purchase option..stil need $$$ man...

This post has been edited by jojoko1982: May 13 2006, 04:54 PM

background ah, actually im better im .net (asp.net, vb.net, c#.net, j#.net), java rather than c++.

bobtiang, can i know which company are you from?

Unless it's the IT dept you'll probably be doing a lot of C++, Perl and the like.

I believe he's in the same company as me... but diff depts/jobs

aha.. good guess. I am in IT, software development.

Seen you in the old Intel thread. Quick re-intro, I'm in Design Tools Development under ATD - a non-engineer in an engineering dept.

Hello....Altera also giving stock option, even more unit than Intel. Last time intel give 750 unit, altera give 1200 unit. but now both company had reduced the amount. altera also have stock purchase. and mid of this year, altera is offering RSU too.

if EE student heard about altera, i will be FPGA going in their mind

btw altera seem a nice month salary i see there, but how about bonus??? usually how much they give to u

i put an example..if u work with petronas, 1 month rm2.5K..but every year..they give bonus 4 month to 6 month bonus..

it means u get rm 10k minimum..so, bonuses sappose to be within ur consideration

btw i also looking a place in altera...need to complate my final year project and convince my lecturer to recommend me