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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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yok70
post Jun 26 2013, 01:13 PM

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Momentum indicators are starting to turn from weak bullish to weak bearish.
Market top has been established at 1788. The possibility of downside is higher than upside.
Chances of falling towards 200-day MVA at 1670 is high.
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...g-stronger.html

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V-Zero
post Jun 26 2013, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:13 PM)
Momentum indicators are starting to turn from weak bullish to weak bearish.
Market top has been established at 1788. The possibility of downside is higher than upside.
Chances of falling towards 200-day MVA at 1670 is high.
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...g-stronger.html

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Still considering whether to hold on to the rest of my 47% or go 100% cash. hmm.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 01:24 PM

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Seems like no one has read apollo's latest financials, or they think that it's not good enuf hmm.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2013, 12:30 PM)
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Beat less ah? tongue.gif

The other alternative to Gadang is probably Salcon.
It's going in quite big into property with a strong backing.

Only problem is... I don't quite like the name. laugh.gif
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salcon.... not bad.... but i dont like lo....

gadang will be another tambun.... wub.gif wub.gif
yok70
post Jun 26 2013, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 26 2013, 01:23 PM)
Still considering whether to hold on to the rest of my 47% or go 100% cash.  hmm.gif
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For me, always look at fundamental and valuation when having doubts and concerns. icon_rolleyes.gif
Time the market is very very very very difficult. This I listen from many many many many sifus advice. notworthy.gif

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post Jun 26 2013, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 26 2013, 01:24 PM)
Seems like no one has read apollo's latest financials, or they think that it's not good enuf hmm.gif
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sometimes, this means priced in already. laugh.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 01:43 PM

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wah! my stelux on steroid today! so lucky yesterday i topped up my holdings with sweat catching that falling sharp knife. sweat.gif rclxms.gif
V-Zero
post Jun 26 2013, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:39 PM)
For me, always look at fundamental and valuation when having doubts and concerns.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I only consider stocks with solid fundamentals.
Valuation wise most still got decent upward space.

The thing is, I wanna avoid going into the market when the short-mid term outlook is dim.
Me no rike when mah share stuck at -5% loss after entry. tongue.gif

Even REITs are no longer a safe hedge against equity volatility. rclxub.gif
2 months until the big drop, according to fengshui chart. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:40 PM)
sometimes, this means priced in already.  laugh.gif
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Nvm lar, since it just increase my holdings, average cost still around there.

Heart must be steady~ sleep.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 26 2013, 01:48 PM)
2 months until the big drop, according to fengshui chart.  laugh.gif
So when the big drop happens in two months time, that fong sway chart is accurate? laugh.gif

for June the fong sway chart says go UP. laugh.gif

Conclusion?

Depend more on fong sway chart. Soon it will be accurate one. laugh.gif

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post Jun 26 2013, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:54 PM)
So when the big drop happens in two months time, that fong sway chart is accurate? laugh.gif

for June the fong sway chart says go UP. laugh.gif

Conclusion?

Depend more on fong sway chart. Soon it will be accurate one.  laugh.gif
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Considering the market sentiment now, no harm to follow the chart. laugh.gif
Small constant profit better than wild swings for me, heart cannot tahan. blush.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 26 2013, 01:48 PM)
I only consider stocks with solid fundamentals.
Valuation wise most still got decent upward space.

The thing is, I wanna avoid going into the market when the short-mid term outlook is dim.
Me no rike when mah share stuck at -5% loss after entry.  tongue.gif

Even REITs are no longer a safe hedge against equity volatility.  rclxub.gif
2 months until the big drop, according to fengshui chart.  laugh.gif
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I tried to time the market (again) pre-GE and sold many of my strong fundamental stocks. Guess what, I missed 30-50% stock price upside by this mistake.

REIT now suffer weak sentiment because of fear of rate hike. If interest rate or bond yield up 1%, possibly means REIT's yield need to up 1% in order to attract buyers. This even before consideration of the cost of debt a REIT need to pay will increase too. Consider current yield of 5%, a 1% up to 6%, which means REIT's share price must down 20%. nod.gif

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 26 2013, 01:58 PM)
Considering the market sentiment now, no harm to follow the chart.  laugh.gif
Small constant profit better than wild swings for me, heart cannot tahan.  blush.gif
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Strange.

This is like saying it doesn't matter when the Fong Sway chart is wrong.
It only matters when it is correct.

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 02:02 PM)
I tried to time the market (again) pre-GE and sold many of my strong fundamental stocks. Guess what, I missed 30-50% stock price upside by this mistake.

REIT now suffer weak sentiment because of fear of rate hike. If interest rate or bond yield up 1%, possibly means REIT's yield need to up 1% in order to attract buyers. This even before consideration of the cost of debt a REIT need to pay will increase too. Consider current yield of 5%, a 1% up to 6%, which means REIT's share price must down 20%.  nod.gif
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OPR is not going to be raised with current economy condition.

It is suicide for central bank to raise rate at this moment or near term, when equities market is volatile, economy is getting slower and no pressure of inflation, (commodities price soft and gold price plunging).

Having said that, I would agree Reit price should go down a bit more, as at the moment, yield is too low (due to too much cash chasing too little thing).

I do not understand why many keep on saying interest rate is going to be hike... too many media cooking?

Bond price drop sending yield higher, yes.
Interest rate, over night rate that set by central bank being raised? Chance is remote.

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:39 PM)
For me, always look at fundamental and valuation when having doubts and concerns.   icon_rolleyes.gif
Time the market is very very very very difficult. This I listen from many many many many sifus advice.  notworthy.gif
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Ya kinda true also.

But many fundamentalists still able to catch fishes at super low prices...

Perhaps they forget to tell u they do keep lot of cash and waiting for more opportunities.

Their reasons for u not to time the markets ........... hmm.gif

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 26 2013, 01:43 PM)
wah! my stelux on steroid today! so lucky yesterday i topped up my holdings with sweat catching that falling sharp knife.  sweat.gif  rclxms.gif
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good for your dudes , I also top up a lot of my banking stocks brows.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jun 26 2013, 02:09 PM)
good for your dudes , I also top up a lot of my banking stocks  brows.gif
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U buy, never sell hmm.gif

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 26 2013, 01:24 PM)
Seems like no one has read apollo's latest financials, or they think that it's not good enuf hmm.gif
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Actually I do think the market already priced in the good result of appolo.. maybe just not good enough for them smile.gif Don't worry I also will support this stock now

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post Jun 26 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 26 2013, 02:05 PM)
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Strange.

This is like saying it doesn't matter when the Fong Sway chart is wrong.
It only matters when it is correct.

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nonono tongue.gif
Consider KLCI all time closing high of 1780 (forget exact) to now of roughly 1725, we only corrected for a mere 3%, perhaps included in the fengshui chart but negligible drop? tongue.gif

So we will still sail up to 1800 by end of July.
So ride the wave now and sell on 31st July? unsure.gif
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post Jun 26 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 26 2013, 02:12 PM)
U buy, never sell hmm.gif

WB style  yawn.gif
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Got la, I sold some US stock , SG stocks a bit.
reduce portfolio and switch to another one.
My Sell button still can be used laugh.gif , unlike our mod notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Jun 26 2013, 02:17 PM

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