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post Jul 17 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Jul 11 2013, 01:32 PM)
I've been asked too by big player.. lucky I'm not lazy during SPM..  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(codefuturama @ Jul 17 2013, 10:33 AM)
I believe it doesn't have anything to do with drilling. Probably going into fabrication tech and some project management. Think I already come into conclusion on this matter. Thanks all pros!  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(papoyapoy @ Jul 16 2013, 11:24 PM)
Hi all.

I am a recent MEng Mechanical Engineering Graduate.

Did my internship with EMEPMI upstream function. Project office based at Ranhill Worley. So got a good exposure working with Client and Consultant. I know client pay handsome, in meeting consultant always kena marah kaw2. But I observed, your learning curve is steep as u join consultant / service provider which is something I think I want to have when I begin my career. 
Currently I got 3 options

1. Got an offer as Associate Engineer with EMEPMI - Upstream, Surprisingly excellent pay for fresh grad
2. Offered a Graduate Engineer position with Petronas - Not sure which dept yet, but have a feeling kena masuk Downstream due to Rapid project taking off later, interviewed my seniors started working for Petronas last year, pays lower than XOM.
3. Got invitation to attend SRD with Shell - Asked for Upstream function, salary wise fresh grad I don't know. 
I am tempted to accept XOM's offer and reject SRD from Shell and Petronas. Shell is taking so long to arrange interviews and whatnots due to high volume application. At this time being I think its smart to secure a job first rather than taking risk going to SRD and god forbids, fail.

To be honest what I really want is to join SLB. Get sent to remote places, sleep deprived, work my butt off and learn as much as I could while I'm young and adventurous. But SLB has yet to respond  cry.gif 
Need some insights from you pro people to help me make my decision. Should I settle with what I have or try even harder? By any chance anyone have contacts within SLB and dont mind sharing , I'd be glad.
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If you are a freshie discipline engineer looking for a position in a project team, I always have the opinion that you will learn more as a contractor/consultant at the beginning of your career compared to you joining operator/client. If you joined operator/client as a fresh graduate, it really depends at which stage the project is currently in. (FEED?Detail Design?Execution?Operation?) if it is the former, yes you will be involved in the design, churning out specifications but the consultant will do the hard work of doing the detail design. Once it enters the execution phase, you are just managing your contractor, making sure whatever they produce are as per design.

Hence I believe as a freshie, the learning curve is steeper if you are a consultant when it comes to technical knowledge. However there are no right or wrong answers. As a client, you will get to hone your management and softskills, crucial in climbing the corporate ladder in a big company. Hence in my humble opinion, if you aim to be a specialist/subject matter expert, start from consultancy. If you aim to be an all rounder/project manager, client/operator seems to be a better choice.

Veterans, any thoughts?
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(papoyapoy @ Jul 16 2013, 06:24 PM)
Hi all.

I am a recent MEng Mechanical Engineering Graduate.

Did my internship with EMEPMI upstream function. Project office based at Ranhill Worley. So got a good exposure working with Client and Consultant. I know client pay handsome, in meeting consultant always kena marah kaw2. But I observed, your learning curve is steep as u join consultant / service provider which is something I think I want to have when I begin my career. 
Currently I got 3 options

1. Got an offer as Associate Engineer with EMEPMI - Upstream, Surprisingly excellent pay for fresh grad
2. Offered a Graduate Engineer position with Petronas - Not sure which dept yet, but have a feeling kena masuk Downstream due to Rapid project taking off later, interviewed my seniors started working for Petronas last year, pays lower than XOM.
3. Got invitation to attend SRD with Shell - Asked for Upstream function, salary wise fresh grad I don't know. 
I am tempted to accept XOM's offer and reject SRD from Shell and Petronas. Shell is taking so long to arrange interviews and whatnots due to high volume application. At this time being I think its smart to secure a job first rather than taking risk going to SRD and god forbids, fail.

To be honest what I really want is to join SLB. Get sent to remote places, sleep deprived, work my butt off and learn as much as I could while I'm young and adventurous. But SLB has yet to respond  cry.gif 
Need some insights from you pro people to help me make my decision. Should I settle with what I have or try even harder? By any chance anyone have contacts within SLB and dont mind sharing , I'd be glad.
Terima kasih.
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XOM. Any CV with XOM experience is highly valued. I personally think that being in SLB (please don't be offended) is over-rated. My experience in dealing with them is that, they are experts in tools or functions that they are in only. It's like a horse with blinders,. Most of them are log analyst and not a petrophysicist (there is a difference). If you work with an Operator, you will have a more broad based experience as that is the requirement by the company. They need you to work in integrated team so you need to know what others are doing. I have had countless arguments with my colleagues who were previously from service companies and one of the main issues I think is that they have no clue what I am doing and they have no clue on the data requirements from my side. Yes, the logs are fine but for F sake, you cannot directly populate water saturation in a 3D model, any experienced petrophysicists who have worked in an integrated team would know that ..... not a log analyst who have been looking at logs in stand-alone mode for the last 20 years. You see where I am coming?

This of course doesn't mean that the design consultant is similar to SLB, maybe they work differently, it's just that my experience with most upstream service provider is like this.

This post has been edited by azraeil: Jul 17 2013, 01:13 PM
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jul 17 2013, 02:38 AM)
just to add on to what azraeil said.

why expect to give a 'perfect' answer?Most people think interviews are like school exams with a fixed answer. I blame our education system.
Interviews are to gauge you, and that question is not a technical question hence its to find out your values and your stand. Why dont you answer based on your values and your stand?

If I were Muslim and if I believe in the answer No, I would say No. If they were to tell me my opportunities might be affected because of the answer No, I would simply thank them for their concern for my wellbeing but tell them I do not see their worry as it is a small manageable issue in which I can find a way around. I'll bring one small plate in my backpack wherever I go. Problem solved. (Just because that is what I would be doing anyways. I believe in executing what you promise).

Thats the working world. There are bound to be problems, many small ones that takes our focus away from the main issue. Solve it, solve it for yourself, solve it for your colleagues, solve it for your boss.

side note: whoa they have BACON?!
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Correct. I always advised my younger brothers that being a Muslim is not a handicap. Why must you expect people to cater for your needs just because you're a Muslim? (my words to them, not to you ..). If you are extremely particular about something ... YOU solve it. If you cannot, then maybe you can approach the company and express your concerns. That's the right attitude by the way. I read about all these muslims in UK that demanded this and that (usually those from Muslims countries who emigrated to UK) ... I'd go ... I'd bet you you'd be in the freaking jail if you do this in your original country .... the UK govt are so nice in accomodating you guys .... sheeesshhhh. These attitude really pisses me off. Anyway, dah off-track.
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Beckupp @ Jul 17 2013, 04:20 AM)
Huh bro, I thot u already make the move...  U r still young, with not much baggage around... so very mobile. 
When people know what they are doing (like you), they will be very marketable.  Off course the omptih can bullshit his way through and still idiots listen and take them... but with us, the majority of us really need the skill to move around.  Go for that million cash in hand bro...  Err... even now if you take all the benefits you got into consideration in your current co,u already got a 7 digit salary annually....  rclxms.gif
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I have accepted the provisional offer (pending medical and employment visa) .... end of this year, if everything goes well, I will give notice to my current company. As for the current package .... it's not 7 digit. It will be when my kids go to boarding school (that alone is a quarter of a million ringgit a year that the company will pay). Ohhh omputih kat sini pun sama ... they talk cock in meetings with the bosses but when it's the time to deliver those shit they promise, nothing beb .... also be careful with your presentation. Never ever give them the powerpoint or word document. They will take it as their own and sell them al over the place in the company. I got bitten once, never again. Now I watermark all my slides, and then I convert everything to PDF and secure that PDF file with No copying and No printing ....

This post has been edited by azraeil: Jul 17 2013, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Beckupp @ Jul 17 2013, 05:25 AM)
Huh, I thot u wud prefer that that the heat...
It seems that you enjoy the heat more... he he he...
42 to 50 deg C???  notworthy.gif
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Naaah .... I love the 14-17 degrees summer ... he mat sallehs were b****in' about it and my wife were not too happy because she gets chilly easily. I was wearing my shirt without any jacket and it was great. Give me cold weather any day. Today, the weather is 48 degrees C ..... masuk kereta macam masuk oven.
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jul 17 2013, 07:38 AM)
just to add on to what azraeil said.

why expect to give a 'perfect' answer?Most people think interviews are like school exams with a fixed answer. I blame our education system.
Interviews are to gauge you, and that question is not a technical question hence its to find out your values and your stand. Why dont you answer based on your values and your stand?

If I were Muslim and if I believe in the answer No, I would say No. If they were to tell me my opportunities might be affected because of the answer No, I would simply thank them for their concern for my wellbeing but tell them I do not see their worry as it is a small manageable issue in which I can find a way around. I'll bring one small plate in my backpack wherever I go. Problem solved. (Just because that is what I would be doing anyways. I believe in executing what you promise).

Thats the working world. There are bound to be problems, many small ones that takes our focus away from the main issue. Solve it, solve it for yourself, solve it for your colleagues, solve it for your boss.

side note: whoa they have BACON?!
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thank you for your advice sir. I will take notes on things that you have.. Well our education system need to revamp their teaching structure for sure.
My exposure to O&G related things are very minimal as I have not set foot in this field and most of my lecture and learning are solely based on land and coastal works. Less on offshore works. I would be a great honor if you could expose those things to me and dont worry, i already started to read from V1.. smile.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:18 PM)
Correct. I always advised my younger brothers that being a Muslim is not a handicap. Why must you expect people to cater for your needs just because you're a Muslim? (my words to them, not to you ..). If you are extremely particular about something ... YOU solve it. If you cannot, then maybe you can approach the company and express your concerns. That's the right attitude by the way. I read about all these muslims in UK that demanded this and that (usually those from Muslims countries who emigrated to UK) ... I'd go ... I'd bet you you'd be in the freaking jail if you do this in your original country .... the UK govt are so nice in accomodating you guys .... sheeesshhhh. These attitude really pisses me off. Anyway, dah off-track.
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I should have taken the offer to study abroad. to learn other cultures.. not being cramp by our cultures.. ini xbole itu xbole.. hermmm
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QUOTE(NaShRiCk @ Jul 17 2013, 08:59 AM)
I should have taken the offer to study abroad. to learn other cultures.. not being cramp by our cultures.. ini xbole itu xbole.. hermmm
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Sama aje. My wife who studied with me in college pun sama style .... ooohh cannot touch a dog, kena samak ... ohhh cannot eat there because they share kitchen ... aiyohhhh manyak susah lah. Very difficult to explain to her that there are a lot of khilaf in the interpretation and if you are too particular, macamana nak travel (which she looooveeessss to do). In fact the other day she said something to me that made me lecture her for 10 minutes ... she told our kids that touching a dog is haram. Apparently that was what she learned in school. I was like ... which school is that? When you say Haram ... it connotes that it is sinful for you to do it. Mazhab Syafie says that a dog is Najis Mughallazah ... and najis has nothing to do with Haram or Halal .... drinking alcohol is haram ... a najis has nothing to do with halal or haram ... kalau tersentuh and if you're really particular about it (I'm not by the way ..), then follow the instructions on how to clean yourslef properly (6 parts water, 1 part soil) .... haiyahhhh ... 10 minutes I had to lecture her .... nasib baik sayang bini oiiii .....

This post has been edited by azraeil: Jul 17 2013, 02:19 PM
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post Jul 17 2013, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 02:18 PM)
Sama aje. My wife who studied with me in college pun sama style .... ooohh cannot touch a dog, kena samak ... ohhh cannot eat there because they share kitchen ... aiyohhhh manyak susah lah. Very difficult to explain to her that there are a lot of khilaf in the interpretation and if you are too particular, macamana nak travel (which she looooveeessss to do). In fact the other day she said something to me that made me lecture her for 10 minutes ... she told our kids that touching a dog is haram. Apparently that was what she learned in school. I was like ... which school is that? When you say Haram ... it connotes that it is sinful for you to do it. Mazhab Syafie says that a dog is Najis Mughallazah ... and najis has nothing to do with Haram or Halal .... drinking alcohol is haram ... a najis has nothing to do with halal or haram ... kalau tersentuh and if you're really particular about it (I'm not by the way ..), then follow the instructions on how to clean yourslef properly (6 parts water, 1 part soil) .... haiyahhhh ... 10 minutes I had to lecture her .... nasib baik sayang bini oiiii .....
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LOL.. funny story.. well that's the mindset of our people.. But if we say this can do, that can do.. they will say us too "liberal". hermmm..
where do you work sir?
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QUOTE(NaShRiCk @ Jul 17 2013, 10:00 AM)
LOL.. funny story.. well that's the mindset of our people.. But if we say this can do, that can do.. they will say us too "liberal". hermmm..
where do you work sir?
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I work in Saudi Arabia.
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post Jul 17 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Jul 15 2013, 11:33 PM)
To all sifu,

How is the OnG industry in sabah? is it booming? any opportunity?..
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A new fabricator will be coming soon from Sabah which will be based at Sepanggar @ Sandakan. The investor might be from prominent figure from *cough* Kencana Capital *cough* just waiting Petronas license approval.

So far, we have MMHE, THHE Ramunia, Kencana HL Lumut, Brooke Dockyard, OceanMight, Boustead & Labuan Shipyard as major O&G Onshore Fabricator for offshore module...
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:11 PM)
XOM. Any CV with XOM experience is highly valued. I personally think that being in SLB (please don't be offended) is over-rated. My experience in dealing with them is that, they are experts in tools or functions that they are in only. It's like a horse with blinders,. Most of them are log analyst and not a petrophysicist (there is a difference). If you work with an Operator, you will have a more broad based experience as that is the requirement by the company. They need you to work in integrated team so you need to know what others are doing. I have had countless arguments with my colleagues who were previously from service companies and one of the main issues I think is that they have no clue what I am doing and they have no clue on the data requirements from my side. Yes, the logs are fine but for F sake, you cannot directly populate water saturation in a 3D model, any experienced petrophysicists who have worked in an integrated team would know that ..... not a log analyst who have been looking at logs in stand-alone mode for the last 20 years. You see where I am coming?

This of course doesn't mean that the design consultant is similar to SLB, maybe they work differently, it's just that my experience with most upstream service provider is like this.
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Ha ha ha... Are you talking to me? I think you are talking to me... he he he...
But the difference is I know what I am doing... and if I don't know I do not claim to know. I also know the limits of what can and cannot be achieved and done... Working from both sides of the border (operators and service companies), I see that the log analyst should compliment the petrophysicist and vice versa. The problem with the majority of those folks are they think they know all, which is absolute rubbish.

So I got really pissed off many times with SLB so called petrophysicists that came to me and treated problems we have as non-existence... i.e. nothing wrong with my 'tool', my Ass.... I am not an expert in their tools but I can tell inside out about other service company tools, and their functions. Principles are the same, tools have different design.... Many of these so called SLB petrophysicst knows jack on what they claim they know. BTW, it is unfair for me to isolate SLB alone... HAL, BAKER, and etc have same problems too...

And Azraeil, u are absolutely spot on with respect to the knowledge of these folks. However, I have seen many operator's only petrophysicicts that could not tell between good and bad data too. And they do not understand what the data really tell them. That's why I said, each have to compliment the other and especially if both now work from within the same operator.
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 02:18 PM)
Sama aje. My wife who studied with me in college pun sama style .... ooohh cannot touch a dog, kena samak ... ohhh cannot eat there because they share kitchen ... aiyohhhh manyak susah lah. Very difficult to explain to her that there are a lot of khilaf in the interpretation and if you are too particular, macamana nak travel (which she looooveeessss to do). In fact the other day she said something to me that made me lecture her for 10 minutes ... she told our kids that touching a dog is haram. Apparently that was what she learned in school. I was like ... which school is that? When you say Haram ... it connotes that it is sinful for you to do it. Mazhab Syafie says that a dog is Najis Mughallazah ... and najis has nothing to do with Haram or Halal .... drinking alcohol is haram ... a najis has nothing to do with halal or haram ... kalau tersentuh and if you're really particular about it (I'm not by the way ..), then follow the instructions on how to clean yourslef properly (6 parts water, 1 part soil) .... haiyahhhh ... 10 minutes I had to lecture her .... nasib baik sayang bini oiiii .....
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Ha ha ha.. sayang bini... ala bini...
Nak wat cam ne dah kan.. he he he... but is she ok now with you trying to make the move this time? No unforeseen safety or other issues?
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:25 PM)
Naaah .... I love the 14-17 degrees summer ... he mat sallehs were b****in' about it and my wife were not too happy because she gets chilly easily. I was wearing my shirt without any jacket and it was great. Give me cold weather any day. Today, the weather is 48 degrees C ..... masuk kereta macam masuk oven.
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Is it right? It's 48 degC today? Wow... cry.gif
sweat.gif shakehead.gif

masuk oven cam masuk keta da....
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:22 PM)
I have accepted the provisional offer (pending medical and employment visa) .... end of this year, if everything goes well, I will give notice to my current company. As for the current package .... it's not 7 digit. It will be when my kids go to boarding school (that alone is a quarter of a million ringgit a year that the company will pay). Ohhh omputih kat sini pun sama ... they talk cock in meetings with the bosses but when it's the time to deliver those shit they promise, nothing beb .... also be careful with your presentation. Never ever give them the powerpoint or word document. They will take it as their own and sell them al over the place in the company. I got bitten once, never again. Now I watermark all my slides, and then I convert everything to PDF and secure that PDF file with No copying and No printing ....
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rclxms.gif Alhamdulillah... I am very very happy for you....
Go for it bro... To hell with them that keep giving u carrots and false hope...
BC... hmmm BC... Boston Consulting... Like what they did with Petronas... he he he...
While young, make a move and not getting stuck like many of us....

Carrot pun carrot la... malas nk move lagi lah... I don't want to do that anymore... too much hassle...
But for you, very good... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Beckupp @ Jul 17 2013, 11:42 AM)
Is it right?  It's 48 degC today?  Wow...  cry.gif
sweat.gif  shakehead.gif

masuk oven cam masuk keta da....
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Yesterday 48C, right now 40C with 30% humidity which is even worse! ... I hate the humidity ......
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QUOTE(Beckupp @ Jul 17 2013, 11:49 AM)
rclxms.gif  Alhamdulillah... I am very very happy for you....
Go for it bro...  To hell with them that keep giving u carrots and false hope...
BC... hmmm BC...  Boston Consulting... Like what they did with Petronas...  he he he...
While young, make a move and not getting stuck like many of us....

Carrot pun carrot la... malas nk move lagi lah...  I don't want to do that anymore... too much hassle...
But for you, very good...  thumbup.gif
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Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .......... aiseh, rahsia terbongkar .... you working in Saudi as well I assume?
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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 04:49 PM)
Yesterday 48C, right now 40C with 30% humidity which is even worse! ... I hate the humidity ......
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Ayoo bro.. but coming closer to home will mean you will get more humidity too, isn't it?
U already accepted the offer.... hmm.gif

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