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 Oil & Gas Careers v5, Upstream and Downstream

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post Jul 17 2013, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 14 2013, 12:26 PM)
If you impress the bosses, the most you can get is a higher increment and maybe a faster promotion but your worth will only be seen in that company,those who works hard all the time and have a good attitude in taking new challenges would have gained the experiences and will be more valuable as his/her time in the industry increase. Other companies will value him more and will pay a good ransom to poach him away. You cannot cheat your way thorugh the industry. Other people or other companies will know your experience levels.
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Huh bro, I thot u already make the move... U r still young, with not much baggage around... so very mobile.
When people know what they are doing (like you), they will be very marketable. Of course the omptih can bullshit his way through and still idiots listen and take them... but with us, the majority of us really need the skill to move around. Go for that million cash in hand bro... Err... even now if you take all the benefits you got into consideration in your current co,u already got a 7 digit salary annually.... rclxms.gif

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post Jul 17 2013, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(kripton888 @ Jul 15 2013, 11:55 AM)
any petrophysicist here?

how is the career like as a petrophysicist..i've no idea about it i just got off the phone and they said my position is petrophysicist. btw I'm PE fresh grad

how is the job nature and prospect in the ong industry.

appreciate ur info's sifuz
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I call it a witch doctor...
Hmmm... at times, you can manipulate data to suit whatever you want to make believe... he he he...
U can interpret log signatures that look like oil into water, and water into oil... of course with justification....
And if u work around in the industry, u will see things that make u wonder...

But if you have proper experience and training, you will be in demand too... just like bro azrael

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post Jul 17 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jul 17 2013, 07:38 AM)

side note: whoa they have BACON?!
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Common at the rigsite of many countries maaa....
What to do... got to live with it
So whne I have no choice, go to the rig and do not think of other things that they bake on the hot plate...
In this situation, if u think about all the non halal things u will never be able to eat...
At the rigsite, it is not something u can do...
It will involve safety...
U cant puasa all times and u need energy there...
W no energy, u might expose urself to danger and do not think safety at the rig is something u can take easy...

Find something that seems halal rclxub.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(papoyapoy @ Jul 16 2013, 11:24 PM)
Hi all.

I am a recent MEng Mechanical Engineering Graduate.

Did my internship with EMEPMI upstream function. Project office based at Ranhill Worley. So got a good exposure working with Client and Consultant. I know client pay handsome, in meeting consultant always kena marah kaw2. But I observed, your learning curve is steep as u join consultant / service provider which is something I think I want to have when I begin my career. 
Currently I got 3 options

1. Got an offer as Associate Engineer with EMEPMI - Upstream, Surprisingly excellent pay for fresh grad
2. Offered a Graduate Engineer position with Petronas - Not sure which dept yet, but have a feeling kena masuk Downstream due to Rapid project taking off later, interviewed my seniors started working for Petronas last year, pays lower than XOM.
3. Got invitation to attend SRD with Shell - Asked for Upstream function, salary wise fresh grad I don't know. 
I am tempted to accept XOM's offer and reject SRD from Shell and Petronas. Shell is taking so long to arrange interviews and whatnots due to high volume application. At this time being I think its smart to secure a job first rather than taking risk going to SRD and god forbids, fail.

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If I were u, I will go w XOM.. in the upstream dept... well, I believe if u want to look for better $, that is where it is compare to downstream.... Besides U were there too before... so at least u know somewhat on what to expect while there....

SLB will definitely gives u more $... and it seems that u are willing to work ur butts off without rest.. he he he... while young, u can do that...

But its ok to start off either in the service company side or operators...
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Jul 15 2013, 03:14 PM)
it's hassle for some employers to get experienced, hands on, certain skill set and knowledgeable worker, understand of others work style, used to company working environment.. So they prefer to retain the employee (who would like to resign).. So the best solution is by counter offer 30-40% from new offer.. If new salary offer is about 40%, and counter offer is 30%.. your new salary is actually about 80% higher than the old salary.. brows.gif

I'm always looking for 30-40% min adjustment to jump...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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This is what we think they would do logically...
But it is not what some are really doing.... 'They' dont seem to care about the 'oldies'...
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(codefuturama @ Jul 16 2013, 04:38 PM)
Yes with monthly salary. What do you think of the experience gained during that period knowing that the company main business is fabrication? Will it be relevant especially if I want to jump ship to a company who actually do drilling?

Thx!  smile.gif
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Even tho the main business is fabrication, do they actually have drilling dept?
And the training u will receive will be on what? What relevance does it have to drilling?
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(thesnake @ Jul 14 2013, 10:29 AM)
why only aim for petronas? If not for my scholarship bonding obligation, I would have migrated long ago, now just getting exp and skillset for a few years first. Then fly like bro azeril  flex.gif
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That's the way to go... whistling.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Hawarizmi @ Jul 9 2013, 05:44 PM)
anyone heard of DHI Services ? mud-logger & formation evaluation client based company. any feedback or share on working environment there ?
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Direct Hydrocarbon Indicator service....
Mud logger is one of the very important services to have at the rig but have the lowest pay...

Feedback on the service company working environment? Is that what u want?
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 10 2013, 12:50 PM)

Jet-lag lah ... just got back from taking the family for a short vacation in London .... British summer is cold (14C when I arrived .... what kind of summer is that .... got better at the end though).
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Huh, I thot u wud prefer that that the heat...
It seems that you enjoy the heat more... he he he...
42 to 50 deg C??? notworthy.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(E Crew @ Jul 1 2013, 11:35 PM)
Since it's so specific to only oil and gas industry and sounds like company's assets...just wondering are they more highly paid comparing to mechanical engineer?  hmm.gif

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As far as I know.. yes
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Jul 11 2013, 01:32 PM)
I've been asked too by big player.. lucky I'm not lazy during SPM..  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Hmm.... I'm wondering about the SPM as I have not even once used it during any of my interviews.... blink.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(codefuturama @ Jul 17 2013, 10:33 AM)
I believe it doesn't have anything to do with drilling. Probably going into fabrication tech and some project management. Think I already come into conclusion on this matter. Thanks all pros!  biggrin.gif
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Good for you... rclxms.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:11 PM)
XOM. Any CV with XOM experience is highly valued. I personally think that being in SLB (please don't be offended) is over-rated. My experience in dealing with them is that, they are experts in tools or functions that they are in only. It's like a horse with blinders,. Most of them are log analyst and not a petrophysicist (there is a difference). If you work with an Operator, you will have a more broad based experience as that is the requirement by the company. They need you to work in integrated team so you need to know what others are doing. I have had countless arguments with my colleagues who were previously from service companies and one of the main issues I think is that they have no clue what I am doing and they have no clue on the data requirements from my side. Yes, the logs are fine but for F sake, you cannot directly populate water saturation in a 3D model, any experienced petrophysicists who have worked in an integrated team would know that ..... not a log analyst who have been looking at logs in stand-alone mode for the last 20 years. You see where I am coming?

This of course doesn't mean that the design consultant is similar to SLB, maybe they work differently, it's just that my experience with most upstream service provider is like this.
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Ha ha ha... Are you talking to me? I think you are talking to me... he he he...
But the difference is I know what I am doing... and if I don't know I do not claim to know. I also know the limits of what can and cannot be achieved and done... Working from both sides of the border (operators and service companies), I see that the log analyst should compliment the petrophysicist and vice versa. The problem with the majority of those folks are they think they know all, which is absolute rubbish.

So I got really pissed off many times with SLB so called petrophysicists that came to me and treated problems we have as non-existence... i.e. nothing wrong with my 'tool', my Ass.... I am not an expert in their tools but I can tell inside out about other service company tools, and their functions. Principles are the same, tools have different design.... Many of these so called SLB petrophysicst knows jack on what they claim they know. BTW, it is unfair for me to isolate SLB alone... HAL, BAKER, and etc have same problems too...

And Azraeil, u are absolutely spot on with respect to the knowledge of these folks. However, I have seen many operator's only petrophysicicts that could not tell between good and bad data too. And they do not understand what the data really tell them. That's why I said, each have to compliment the other and especially if both now work from within the same operator.
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 02:18 PM)
Sama aje. My wife who studied with me in college pun sama style .... ooohh cannot touch a dog, kena samak ... ohhh cannot eat there because they share kitchen ... aiyohhhh manyak susah lah. Very difficult to explain to her that there are a lot of khilaf in the interpretation and if you are too particular, macamana nak travel (which she looooveeessss to do). In fact the other day she said something to me that made me lecture her for 10 minutes ... she told our kids that touching a dog is haram. Apparently that was what she learned in school. I was like ... which school is that? When you say Haram ... it connotes that it is sinful for you to do it. Mazhab Syafie says that a dog is Najis Mughallazah ... and najis has nothing to do with Haram or Halal .... drinking alcohol is haram ... a najis has nothing to do with halal or haram ... kalau tersentuh and if you're really particular about it (I'm not by the way ..), then follow the instructions on how to clean yourslef properly (6 parts water, 1 part soil) .... haiyahhhh ... 10 minutes I had to lecture her .... nasib baik sayang bini oiiii .....
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Ha ha ha.. sayang bini... ala bini...
Nak wat cam ne dah kan.. he he he... but is she ok now with you trying to make the move this time? No unforeseen safety or other issues?
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:25 PM)
Naaah .... I love the 14-17 degrees summer ... he mat sallehs were b****in' about it and my wife were not too happy because she gets chilly easily. I was wearing my shirt without any jacket and it was great. Give me cold weather any day. Today, the weather is 48 degrees C ..... masuk kereta macam masuk oven.
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Is it right? It's 48 degC today? Wow... cry.gif
sweat.gif shakehead.gif

masuk oven cam masuk keta da....
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:22 PM)
I have accepted the provisional offer (pending medical and employment visa) .... end of this year, if everything goes well, I will give notice to my current company. As for the current package .... it's not 7 digit. It will be when my kids go to boarding school (that alone is a quarter of a million ringgit a year that the company will pay). Ohhh omputih kat sini pun sama ... they talk cock in meetings with the bosses but when it's the time to deliver those shit they promise, nothing beb .... also be careful with your presentation. Never ever give them the powerpoint or word document. They will take it as their own and sell them al over the place in the company. I got bitten once, never again. Now I watermark all my slides, and then I convert everything to PDF and secure that PDF file with No copying and No printing ....
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rclxms.gif Alhamdulillah... I am very very happy for you....
Go for it bro... To hell with them that keep giving u carrots and false hope...
BC... hmmm BC... Boston Consulting... Like what they did with Petronas... he he he...
While young, make a move and not getting stuck like many of us....

Carrot pun carrot la... malas nk move lagi lah... I don't want to do that anymore... too much hassle...
But for you, very good... thumbup.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 04:49 PM)
Yesterday 48C, right now 40C with 30% humidity which is even worse! ... I hate the humidity ......
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Ayoo bro.. but coming closer to home will mean you will get more humidity too, isn't it?
U already accepted the offer.... hmm.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 04:51 PM)
Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .......... aiseh, rahsia terbongkar .... you working in Saudi as well I assume?
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Ha ha ha ha... I accidently found this thread because I was curious to know what is the good pay for us.. It was the curiosity that takes me ere... but no worry bro Azreail... aya... manyak susah mau taip u punya nick name bro.. I always tempted to write Israel all the times... Ur secret is safe with me.. no worry la... I do not like to spread rumors...

And if I talk, it's only to a selected few (usually meaning that 1 or 2 max)... and that's it... And those are the people that also usually trying to hide away from others too... I hate crowds...

Work in KSA? Ha ha ha... I am your neighbor... he he he... notworthy.gif

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post Jul 17 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 04:54 PM)
I take the humidity anytime for a 7 figure salary heh heh heh heh.
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Way to go bro... do it while u r still very mobile!!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Jul 17 2013, 01:22 PM)
Ohhh omputih kat sini pun sama ... they talk cock in meetings with the bosses but when it's the time to deliver those shit they promise, nothing beb .... also be careful with your presentation. Never ever give them the powerpoint or word document. They will take it as their own and sell them al over the place in the company. I got bitten once, never again. Now I watermark all my slides, and then I convert everything to PDF and secure that PDF file with No copying and No printing ....
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Uhhh.. this omptih thingy is kat mana mana la... semua tempat sama jer... kat Petronas ke, x Petronas ke... sama je... memang ada yg betul2 bagus tp x semua. They behave like what they do because 'kita' juga yg bodoh... When I said 'kita' not u and me, but the top management with same mentality kat mana2 aje... Omptih buat smua betul, tahi pun akan jadi sedap baunya kalau omptih yg jual...

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