i bought during end Nov, now 19k d... now i feel bad drive so much...
but there are time i just take the car for a drive on highway cruise since i enjoy driving...

its low becoz of the design... but you try sitting in Mazda 3 and Elantra back seat, its lower than k3, even for ppl my height at 176cm... i dunno why Elantra and k3 share same chassis but Elantra roof line feels much lower...

Dear Albest,
Many thanks to you and your brother for your trust & support! Glad you are happy with the service. May you get unlimited joy from your K3 and hope you will continue to support the KIA brand always!

Cheers,
KS Loh

This is a question of form and function. The Cerato roof line has been carefully designed to maximize air flow and aerodynamics which minimizes drag, hence increases fuel efficiency. In terms of aesthetics, it gives it the sporty and modern look. Some level of head room comfort need to be sacrificed in the process and it is unavoidable. But I think it is still reasonable and within acceptable limits. One way to compensate or correct the lack of head room for tall users is to remember to lower the driver seat.

Well here's the story so far. I've taken it to the SC to have it checked by the Naza technicians. I mentioned to them these are my complaints:

1) Oil leak (highest priority)
2) Loss of engine power/ Engine struggling and unable to accelerate the car without kicking down the gear
3) Air cond smell
4) Rattling under the steering collumn

For the oil leak, they cleaned up the entire engine of dirt and grime. Checked, can't find the leak. Took it for a high speed spin, still cannot find the leak. Long story short, they could not find the problem and ask me to help them to try and see if it re-occurs.

For problem 2, I test drove with them, and they mentioned they will escalate this issue internally and with KIA Korea.

Items 3 and 4, I didn't really highlight since I was tired and they're clearly baffled and exhausted.

I've spoken to Naza KIA, and I told them, I am fine if they want me to retest again, but not for more than 1 to 2 weeks because it's a real pain driving the car now. It takes forever to overtake. Hence I told them at the end of 2 weeks, even if they can find the problem, I don't want them to fix it. I gave them 2 options:

1) Replace my entire power train (engine and gearbox since this was also having problems)
2) Buy back the car at the current market price plus pay me the extras I put in (leather seat, PPF, tinting)


If not, I will highlight this case to the consumer court for selling substandard/defective products to the consumer.



On another note. I was the guy who posted that TSB photo. It affects some cars, but basically they will drain the brake fluid and put in new one. They have done it on my car and the brake feels crisp/better now. Suggest if your VIN falls under it, best to get it done.

From this experience, the only good thing is that I can see Naza has some really good, experienced and kind people in there having dealt with the 2 technicians. Their willingness to help look into my matter is the only reason why I told the care line I am willing to test the car for a while more because I want to help them find the problem and maybe it will benefit others as well.




This post has been edited by perror: May 30 2014, 02:29 PM

Normal...it's realtime meter...My Inspira also like that...max i saw was over 80L/100km...lol.

Just calculate your FC by distance travel vs full tank, not looking at the meter.
1) Fill up full tank. Reset meter.
2) Drive xkm (ex: 200km)
3) Fill up full tank. (ex: 21.5l)

FC= 200/21.5 = 9.3km/l

Hi, many posts here mentioned about FC. Every people would achieve a different FC even though they might be driving the same type of car. Different factors do contribute to different level of FC. Hopefully these fuel saving tips in this video will help people to understand a bit better and improve on the fuel economy.

Happy Watching!

Another update to my issue. The technician called me back and told me issue no,1 we will monitor for 1 week and he will arrange for us to inspect it together at a SC.

Issue no.2, loss of engine power, he has escalated to his colleagues.

Good to know that they are genuinely interested in trying to find the problem.

Thanks for sharing bro and keep us update. I hope Naza Kia will give either one of your option here for solution.

Will try it later. TQ

Actually some of the things she did like could/will actually help to reduce the amount of noise in the cabin (i.e slight improvement in noise insulation). However, like what someone rightfully pointed out, by isolating known noise, it also causes other noises to appear.

Best example is after putting stuffit into my car, the overall noise isolation improved. But i realized there is a quiet rattle that was not there before. The rattle was likely there even before I installed stuffit, but because of the better noise insulation introduced by stuffit, this rattle becomes apparent.

It would be a real pain to actually trace through all those issues and the pitfall of it is if it results in a disassemble or removal of the dashboard, it might end up introducing more noise later in the car's life as the mounting clips would have been weakened by the removal.

Chassis foaming would have increased the rigidity of the areas that were foamed, but mostly it's for handling. However, it would/could have introduced more noise because what used to be a flexible item knocking against a fixed object, now becomes a stiff item knocking against the said object. It could be perceived as rattle.

I believe for us owners, and coming from the iPhone generation and all that, we tend to mod our cars like how we mod our phones. But be weary and always study through the mod before executing the mode as there may be side effects that of the mod that might appear only when the car ages.

For example, I had the opportunity to ask the technician dealing with my oil leak on the Orsen Shield. His perspective is that, it is a good thing for the protection it offers. But he recommends to leave the car as it is because the engine also needs to breathe. It is in his opinion it would certainly force cooling system components to work harder.

Moral of the lesson is, mods are cool, but best to evaluate the long term impact of it and the side effects. I.e quietening your ride would certainly expose noises which you would not have heard before.

Also the fact is, the parts for our cars are not cheap. Looking beyond the 5 years, we will be paying an arm and a leg for spare parts. If there is anything that would potentially direct/secondary impact on the mechanical and electrical of the vehicle, it is best to stay away from it. Just my 2 cents.

Hi , ok , So Please let me know if i drive not over 3000RPM or 80-100 , so around RM100 can go how many KM in City ?
Because i try slow drive RM100 just can go 3-400KM , is this normal ??
Thank you.

Hi just need to know.
Tq

This post has been edited by ykfnetwork: May 30 2014, 07:03 PM

I believe there is a direct relation between your consumption and your car's average speed (available via trip meter A or B).

For reference, an average speed of 35 - 44 KM/H results in me doing 540 KM and fueling in RM92 worth of petrol.

If your average speed is around 20, i'd say 400 odd KM sounds about right, if you are doing a slow drive with lots and start/stop.



This post has been edited by perror: May 30 2014, 07:03 PM

Hi , you mean 540KM in RM92 is in city or HWay ? KIA is i first try buy in, last time i drive my toyota artis is ok (mean KM), so please suggest me if need get more KM in drive KIA.
Thank you.

This post has been edited by ykfnetwork: May 30 2014, 07:11 PM

For city drive, i think the FC is not really impressive. I would say mine is 90% city drive (only on weekends where there is a bit of smooth traffic for driving around in KL), and i could only get between 380km ~ 400 km for my first two full tanks (around RM 94.00 per full tank). So, i think your FC is quite normal (comparing to mine, of course).

I think the concept of the city/highway ratio is pointless. I don't think anyone can really quantify how much time they spend on a city road or highway. Hence I think FC is better expressed as the average speed vs the total KM/L. So here's mine



35 - 44 KM/H average speed = 12.55 KM/liter



Anyone else want to contribute to build a better database?

Oh,, maybe i wish to sell my KIA Cerato, just use 2 month , below 2k KM, you think i will lose how much $$$.
Thank you.

good to hear that Naza service has come a long way... which SC you went to? will give their service a try..
keep us posted about the issues and fixes...

but your issue 1 and 2 seems like a major issue, no one else experiencing the same?

I go to the Seri Kembangan SC. They're pretty decent and mainly I go there because they use Helix Ultra for the engine oil.

So far no one else reported the same issue. But I tested another K3 and it certainly felt different from mine. That driver tested my car as well and he also mentioned there's some differences.