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SUSwin7
post May 25 2013, 02:44 AM

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hi guys, why Ak-47 is always bad guys weapon of choice? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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It's cheap, reliable, easy to use and usually get the job done. What's more you ask for a better weapon biggrin.gif
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post May 25 2013, 02:55 AM

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it's cheap (in some place 10 ringgit can get u one and some ammo)

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btw

http://qz.com/86988/spain-just-spent-680-m...that-cant-swim/

One of Spain’s largest defense splurges may also be one of its most embarrassing. After spending nearly one-third of a $3 billion budget to build four of the world’s most advanced submarines, the project’s engineers have run into a problem: the submarines are so heavy that they would sink to the bottom of the ocean.

Miscalculations by engineers at Navantia, the construction company contracted to build the S-80 submarine fleet, have produced submarines that are each as much as 100 tonnes (110 US tonnes) too heavy. The excess weight sounds paltry compared to the 2,000-plus tonnes (2,205 US tonnes) that each submarine weighs, but it’s more than enough to send the submarines straight to the ocean’s floor.


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post May 25 2013, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 25 2013, 03:41 AM)
tbh we don really need dokdo class.
LDP will be more beneficial for our fleet addition.
unless we really does have huge budget for our military then I dun mind having 1. laugh.gif
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i also don't mind the RMN get the smaller LPD (like the makassar class),but we should buy more than a single ship. perhaps 3
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 25 2013, 02:58 AM)
i also don't mind the RMN get the smaller LPD (like the makassar class),but we should buy more than a single ship. perhaps 3
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3 LDP + 6 escort ship.
would be ideal 1.
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 25 2013, 02:58 AM)
i also don't mind the RMN get the smaller LPD (like the makassar class),but we should buy more than a single ship. perhaps 3
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makassar? u guys didn't prefer Singapore's Endurance-class? Endurance can carry more troops..don't know its price though..well maybe makassar is cheaper..Makassar is USD38 mil..
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 25 2013, 02:59 AM)
3 LDP + 6 escort ship.
would be ideal 1.
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6 gowind to escort the 3 LDP sounds neat~
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 25 2013, 05:47 AM)
6 gowind to escort the 3 LDP sounds neat~
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I prefer new kedah class to do it.
perhaps around 1800-2400tons displacement with good mid range SAMs and CIWS would be cool. biggrin.gif
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post May 25 2013, 07:25 AM

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i'd prefer if they form a proper task group.lead ship, escort ship, surveillence aircraft, support ship, and sub
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 25 2013, 02:41 AM)
tbh we don really need dokdo class.
LDP will be more beneficial for our fleet addition.
unless we really does have huge budget for our military then I dun mind having 1. laugh.gif
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don't want us to end up like the Thais with their aircraft carrier.

QUOTE(win7 @ May 25 2013, 02:44 AM)
hi guys, why Ak-47 is always bad guys weapon of choice? hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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made by the "evil empire" the Soviets; cheap, robust and gooding.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 25 2013, 05:54 AM)
I prefer new kedah class to do it.
perhaps around 1800-2400tons displacement with good mid range SAMs and CIWS would be cool. biggrin.gif
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who has the best ciws? american made phalanx or russia made kashtan ciws? is it more ammunition fired means better protection against threat? hmm.gif
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Doosan DST Tarantula 6x6 for the Indonesian Army during mobility test.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 25 2013, 02:41 AM)
tbh we don really need dokdo class.
LDP will be more beneficial for our fleet addition.
unless we really does have huge budget for our military then I dun mind having 1. laugh.gif
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LPD’s is only really necessary if you're planning a forced entry capability anywhere that requires the support of heavy vehicles i.e MBT's or heavy SP arty etc. A CVL or light carrier is optimised for aircraft operations. There are no vehicle decks or inter-deck ramps, the "assault routes" internally are poor for getting troops from the messdecks. Which is why I think our Navy came out with the MRSS concept

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QUOTE(Kizarh @ May 25 2013, 02:55 AM)
It's cheap, reliable, easy to use and usually get the job done. What's more you ask for a better weapon  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azriel @ May 25 2013, 09:03 AM)
Doosan DST Tarantula 6x6 for the Indonesian Army during mobility test.

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PT. Pindad's 6X6 Tarantula is based on the Doosan DST Black Fox.

September 10 2011, The Jakarta Post ( Source )
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Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said both state weaponry maker PT Pindad and Busan Ltd would jointly produce armored Anoa Tarantula tanks.
"Indonesia will produce 11 units of Tarantula panzers; South Korea will make another 11 units," said Purnomo on Friday as quoted by Antara news wire.
PT Pindad president director Adik Avianto Soedarsono said the Anoa Tarantula panzer would adopt the technology from Doosan DST. It will be armed with a Belgian-made 90mm canon.


22 units seem to be small …. especially for local production….no economy of scale


SK MND Press Release 21 May 2013 as quoted in Defence Studies ( Source )
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Localization of heavy armored wheeled vehicle Doosan DST exports to Indonesia

A heavy armored wheeled vehicle (6X6) built with our own technology will be exported to Indonesia.

Doosan DST signed a heavy armored wheeled vehicle contract in 2009 with the Indonesian army and commenced production of these vehicles in November 2011. After carrying out operational tests along with firing and field maneuvering tests starting in early 2012, Doosan DST announced on 5 May that the production of its 6X6 heavy armored wheeled vehicle has been completed in early May 2013.

Prior to this announcement, DAPA officials, Indonesian inspectors, and affiliated companies held a roll-out ceremony on 2 May for the heavy armored wheeled vehicle (name for the Indonesian army:  Tarantula 6X6) that will be delivered to the Indonesian army.

The number of heavy armored wheeled vehicles that will be delivered to the Indonesian army. Doosan DST is responsible for manufacturing the armored vehicle and assembling the turret. Also, an Indonesian arms factory will assemble SKD-type armored vehicles on site in Indonesia.

The 6X6 heavy armored wheeled vehicles that will be delivered until the end of the year are 18 tons in weight and can hold 3 crew (driver, tank commander, gunner). Its top speed on ground is 100km per hour and can reach speeds up to 8km in the water.

The heavy armored wheeled vehicles that will be exported have been manufactured tailored to the Indonesian terrain and thus is lighter and can be operated in the water. Also, by arming these vehicles with a 90mm main gun and a 7.62mm machine gun, these vehicles possess the fire power capable of attacking dense enemy units as well as enemy tanks. At the same time, they are known as combat armored vehicles that can be operated for guerilla search and destroy operations.

Doosan DST also exported the K200A1 tracked armored vehicle to Malaysia for the first time in ROK history in 1993.


According to Army Recognition, Indonesia will put the CSE-90 turret from Belgium. The CSE-90 is the same turret that we use on our SIBMAS. Probably because it's being used by Indonesian's Army Scorpion and Marines PT-76 and AMX-10 or cost constraint.




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£2 billion Spanish navy submarine will sink to bottom of sea
A new submarine commissioned by the Spanish navy at a cost of 2.2
billion euros (£1.9billion) has been discovered to contain a serious
design flaw – it is too heavy and will sink like a stone.


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One of the new S-80 subs by Navantia Photo: Navantia

Miscalculations at the engineering stage have been blamed for a two-year delay
in delivery of the first of four submarines commissioned from Spain's
state-owned shipbuilder Navantia.

Last month it emerged that the Isaac Peral sub – part of the new S-80 series
and named in honour of the Spanish man credited by some as the inventor of
the underwater vessel – was at least 75 tons overweight, an excess that
could compromise its ability to surface after submerging.

Navantia admitted the existence of "deviations related to the balance of
weight" in the vessel and estimated it would take up to two years more
to correct the problem.

The 233ft vessel may have to be lengthened to compensate for the excess
weight, a redesign that comes with an estimated cost of 7.5 million euros
per extra metre.

The shipbuilders based in Cartagena, southern Spain, are now seeking "technical
experts from abroad" to advise in the redesign of what was billed as
the "most modern conventional submarine".

The original date for delivery was scheduled for March 2015 but it is now
expected to be delayed by up to two years.

The Spanish navy commissioned four of the submarines at a cost of 2.2 billion,
one of the most expensive contracts in Spain's military history, but will
now be facing a much larger bill.

In the meantime they will also have to pay costs of keeping the current ageing
submarine fleet in operation at an estimated 15 million euros per year.

Spain's Ministry of Defence has seen its budget cut by some 30 per cent since
the start of the economic crisis in 2008 in an austerity drive aimed at
reducing the nation's public deficit.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...tom-of-sea.html
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Wasn't the Scorpene jointly developed by DCNS and Navantia?

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QUOTE(noavatar @ May 25 2013, 04:49 PM)
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Wasn't the Scorpene jointly developed by DCNS and Navantia?
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the Razak is built by navantia, the product is from DCNS
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The solution is to make it slimmer or longer:

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Miscalculations by engineers at Navantia, the construction company contracted to build the S-80 submarine fleet, have produced submarines that are each as much as 100 tonnes (110 US tonnes) too heavy. The excess weight sounds paltry compared to the 2,000-plus tonnes (2,205 US tonnes) that each submarine weighs, but it’s more than enough to send the submarines straight to the ocean’s floor.

Given the mistake, Spain is going to have to choose between two costly fixes: slimming the submarines down, or elongating them to compensate for the extra fat. All signs point to the latter, which will be anything but a breeze—adding length will still require redesigning the entire vessel. And more money on top of the $680 million already spent.

Spain’s defense ministry, the government arm responsible for overseeing the project, has yet to say how much the setback will cost in both time and money. But Navantia has already estimated that its mistake will set the project back at least one or, more likely, two years. And the Spanish edition of European news site The Local reported that each additional meter added to the S-80s, already 71 meters in length, will cost over $9 million.


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DCNS and Navantia ended their cooperation in 2010

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DCNS, Navantia part ways on submarines
Published: Nov. 15, 2010

PARIS, Nov. 15 (UPI) -- Diesel-electric submarine-makers DCNS of France and Navantia of Spain are ending cooperation after failure of arbitration to resolve differences.

DCNS will solely produce the Scorpene submarine while Navantia will produce its S80 vessel, DCNS said in a statement.

"DCNS and Navantia have put an end to their disagreement concerning their submarine collaboration," DCNS said in a statement. "As a result, the arbitration procedure between them will be terminated.

"Scorpene submarines will from now on be built and marketed by DCNS. Similarly, S80 submarines will be built and marketed by Navantia.

"Neither party will make any further comments," it said.

DefenseNews reported the two companies had shared development and construction of the Scorpene submarine but relations between DCNS and Navantia deteriorated after Navantia started a program to build the S80 submarine.

The S80 is larger than the Scorpene and is based on a new design that includes air independent propulsion, a land-attack cruise missiles and a Lockheed Martin combat management system.


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