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lets stir things up abit!

Nice, ini cadangan ke soalan? hehe 

will the purchase of AEW&C come with MPA also?

Combat Jets Drive Russian Arms Sales; India Tops Export List

by  Vladimir Karnozov
June 17, 2013, 3:45 AM

Russia won export orders for weapons exceeding $15 billion and delivered weapons worth $14 billion in 2012, compared with $13.2 billion of weapons in 2011. “Surely, Russia will continue cooperation with her traditional partners in the sphere of military-technical cooperation,” Russian president Vladimir Putin told a meeting of the government’s committee for military-technical cooperation with foreign countries in December. “But it is of not less importance to us to enter new markets, expand the nomenclature of deliveries and services.”

According to figures provided on the Russian president’s official website (www.kremlin.ru), the largest buyers of Russian weapons last year were India (27 percent), Algeria (21 percent) and Vietnam (18 percent). Russia also signed a breakthrough deal with Iraq worth $4.2 billion, which included Mi-28NE helicopters and Pantsir S1 air-defense systems.

Russia’s backlog of export orders for military equipment is estimated at $40 billion, down from the record of $50 billion in 2010. The backlog is expected to stay flat in the next three to four years and then gradually decrease.

Bangladesh Orders Yak-130s on Credit

Rosoboronexport, Russia’s arms vendor (Chalet B367 and Hall 4 Stand D187), used LIMA 2013 (in Langkawi, Malaysia, March 26 to 30) as its platform to report on its most recent achievements in military sales. For Bangladesh, which is seeking to buy 24 Yak-130 jet trainers with added precision strike and air defense capability, the Russian government recently opened a credit line of $1 billion for weapons purchases. Focus on a single type allows the Asian country to increase the number of aircraft it ordered and facilitate programs for personnel training, infrastructure, spares and weapons stores. Previously, Bangladesh considered a follow-on order for MiG-29 series fighters, but apparently found the lighter and newer Yakovlev better suited to its requirements. However, Bangladesh may place an order to modernize eight previously delivered MiG-29s into more advanced MiG-29SMTs.

Indonesia Building Fleet of Flanker Fighters

This March, Anatoly Isaikin, director general at Rosoboronexport, announced that Indonesia had placed a follow-on order for six more Sukhoi Su-30MK2 twin-seat multi-role fighters. The deal also includes an unspecified number of Saturn AL-31F engines and other equipment needed to keep the growing Indonesian Flanker fleet intact. To facilitate further sales to Jakarta, the Kremlin-controlled VEB Bank provided the Indonesian finance ministry with an export credit facility worth $399.5 million for a seven-year term.

Following the delivery of new aircraft in February, the Indonesian air force’s current Sukhoi fleet comprises 12 aircraft: two Su-27SKs, three Su-27SKMs, two Su-30MKs and five Su-30MK2s. Four more Su-30MK2s are expected by year-end. Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, deputy defense minister, was quoted as saying Indonesia plans to have a full squadron of 16 Sukhoi Su-27/30 fighters by the end of this year. Earlier, his colleagues voiced Jakarta’s ultimate intent to form 10 Sukhoi fighter squadrons comprising 180 aircraft within the next 15 to 20 years.

Victor Komardin, Rosoboronexport deputy director general, told the media at LIMA 2013 that Indonesian officials have asked Russia to create a joint center for repair and maintenance of Sukhoi fighters, and Mil Mi-17 and Mi-35 helicopters in Indonesia. He believes the agreement could be signed before the planned rotation of the armed forces chiefs in the second half of the year. After the rotation, Russian salesmen expect resumption of negotiations on follow-on orders for the Su-30MK2, and even more advanced Su-35s, as well as other weapons on the Indonesian wish list.

China Signs for Su-35s

More weapons sales are pending to China. Russian officials confirmed during a briefing at IDEX 2013 in Abu Dhabi that preliminary documents had been signed for the Sukhoi Su-35 multi-role fighter. The new deal for 24 Sukhoi Su-35 single-seat, multi-role fighters would be worth $1.5 billion, with deliveries expected to start in 2015. China and Russia signed the intergovernmental agreement in January, according to Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy director at Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS), following decisions made during Russian defense minister Sergei Choigu’s visit to Beijing in November 2012.

Dzirkaln added that the work on a firm contract is ongoing “in a planned manner” as the sides are “detailing” delivery terms. “There will be direct shipments only, not license production,” he said. China last purchased fighters from Russia in 2004, when it added 24 Su-30MK2s, bringing the grand total of Flanker series aircraft it procured from Russia to 283.

India Is Biggest Importer

India is another enthusiastic buyer of Sukhoi jets. Today, 15 out of 32 Indian air force fighter squadrons operate Su-30MKI multi-role fighters. Alexander Fomin, director at the Federal Service for military-technical cooperation with foreign countries (FSVTS) and the head of Russian official delegation to Aero India 2013, said that Russia continues selling weapons to India on a large scale, despite losing a number of international tenders recently. He added that India’s share of Russia’s military exports is nearly 30 percent, making India the largest importer of Russian weapons.

President Putin, during his visit to New Delhi in December, witnessed the signing of several major arms deals. The largest of those calls for the shipment of 42 additional Su-30MKI kits for subsequent assembly at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL). The value of that deal is estimated at U.S.$3 billion. This recent order supplements earlier signed contracts for a total of 230 such fighters.

Airbus Military A400M successfully demonstrates flares release
18 June 2013 Tuesday



Airbus Military has successfully demonstrated the release of decoy flares from the A400M new generation airlifter as part of the development of the aircraft´s self-protection systems. The flares are designed to mislead heat-seeking anti-aircraft missiles, particularly surface-to-air missiles (SAM). They are a crucial part of the self-protection system because of the A400M´s ability to operate from short and unpaved airstrips close to the scene of military action where SAMs may be fielded by an enemy.

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/PressCenter/...es-release.aspx

rupa-rupanya kita nak tukar jet pejuang MiG29 kepada yang lain sebab kos operasi dia la ye.. atreyuangel

MiG-29 Fulcrum -- 0.34 km/liter
MiG-35 FULCRUM-F -- 0.38 km/liter
F/A-18EF Super Hornet -- 0.17 km/liter (paling tak ekonomi)
F/A-18 HORNET -- 0.29 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi nih)
EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON -- 0.68 km/liter (paling ekonomi) -- #1 paling jimat minyak
Dassault Rafale -- 0.27 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi juga nih)
F-35 Lightning II -- 0.40 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-30MKI -- 0.58 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-35 -- 0.19 km/liter
F-22 Raptor -- 0.47 km/liter
F-15 Eagle -- 0.45 km/liter

kalau camni aku nak tarik balik kenyataan aku sebelum ni.. kita angkat Eurofighter la camnihh.. tak pun angkat F15.. dah nak save minyak sangat

buat apa kita nak pergi angkat Dassault Rafale kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ??? 
buat apa kita nak pergi angkat F/A-18 HORNET ke F/A-18EF Super Hornet kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ??? 

pada aku kalau nak save minyak dan prestasi atas langit tu memang yang terbaik punya untuk MMRCA ialah angkat MiG35 (aku penyokong tegar teknologi angkasa lepas russia)

lol bang kalau tengok km/liter only we all should be driving kancil. or kapchai. paling jimat.

rupa-rupanya kita nak tukar jet pejuang MiG29 kepada yang lain sebab kos operasi dia la ye.. atreyuangel

MiG-29 Fulcrum -- 0.34 km/liter
MiG-35 FULCRUM-F -- 0.38 km/liter
F/A-18EF Super Hornet -- 0.17 km/liter (paling tak ekonomi)
F/A-18 HORNET -- 0.29 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi nih)
EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON -- 0.68 km/liter (paling ekonomi) -- #1 paling jimat minyak
Dassault Rafale -- 0.27 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi juga nih)
F-35 Lightning II -- 0.40 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-30MKI -- 0.58 km/liter
SUKHOI SU-35 -- 0.19 km/liter
F-22 Raptor -- 0.47 km/liter
F-15 Eagle -- 0.45 km/liter

kalau camni aku nak tarik balik kenyataan aku sebelum ni.. kita angkat Eurofighter la camnihh.. tak pun angkat F15.. dah nak save minyak sangat

buat apa kita nak pergi angkat Dassault Rafale kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ??? 
buat apa kita nak pergi angkat F/A-18 HORNET ke F/A-18EF Super Hornet kalau dia makan minyak lagi kuat dari MiG29 ??? 

pada aku kalau nak save minyak dan prestasi atas langit tu memang yang terbaik punya untuk MMRCA ialah angkat MiG35 (aku penyokong tegar teknologi angkasa lepas russia)

lol bang kalau tengok km/liter only we all should be driving kancil. or kapchai. paling jimat.

aih, Operation cost mana tengok minyak je bang!
Maintenance?
Parts?
Crew?
Framelife preserving procedure?

tu letak mana?

cuba kau perhati betul-betul bukan ke semua yang kuat makan minyak tu adalah pesawat pejuang yang dibina khas untuk Navy atau lebih senang cerita dibina khas untuk naik pesawat pengangkut perang.. sebab tu enjin dia dibina amat kuat kedarah minyak.. dia nak berlepas naik dari aircraft-carrier tu guna banyak sungguh tenaga

semua kat bawah ni dibina khas untuk navy (naik aircraft carrier punya) sebab tu kedarah minyak gak
.............

F/A-18EF Super Hornet -- 0.17 km/liter (paling tak ekonomi)
F/A-18 HORNET -- 0.29 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi nih)
Dassault Rafale -- 0.27 km/liter (tak berapa ekonomi juga nih)

kalau atreyuangel kata suruh beli rafale sebab kos operasi MiG29 kononnya tinggi..
pastu kita angkat Rafale, kita dah korbankan kelajuan pesawat pemintas terbaik kita dah ni..
dah rugi kat sini, pastu kita kita pun macam tak ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.
jadi apakah relevannya disini pilih Rafale?? konon nak tiru macam india.. tapi diaorang ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.

kalau kita nak tiru macam australia.. diaorang bila-bila masa je F18 diaorang boleh tumpang air-craft carrier USA kalau China datang ancam diaorang.

doktrin pertahanan singapura, jepun dan korea juga antara yang terbaik..
pilih F15 sebagai pesawat pemintas yang dibina khas untuk lawan jiran-jiran diaorang, jimat kos.

nampaknya Eurofighter Typhoon dan lain-lain pesawat pejuang dalam tender MMRCA masih ada harapan untuk menang tender dia nanti,
melainkan tetiba ada pengumuman besar yang kita pun akan bina aircraft carrier sendiri, maka atreyuangel punya pilihan Rafale ada harapan untuk menang, aku pun akan tolong backing juga nanti.. tapi kalau tak ada pengumuan yang kita akan bina aircraft carrier sendiri macam India.. boleh jadi teruk gak kena hentam nanti di parlimen Malaysia 

Aku tak boleh nak cerita real figure of operation cost of 17 Squadron per annum,
takut nanti boleh disalah guna oleh orang yang tak bertanggung jawab serta ada harapan aku masuk lokap (hishhh mintak jauhhhhh~)

Typhoon.
1. Cost per aircraft mahal (T3)
2. Support crew ramai
3. Supports machine seperti, dehumidifier, total renovation of hanger to fully air condition, extra care product (nak jaga fuselage kat cuaca panas)
4. Limited technology due to many of it still in testing phase
5. Nak bayar duit kat 5 negara (remember that this plane is build from 5 different nation)
6. Not battlefield proved yet!

Superhornet (or other US plane)
The most best choice, in term of money and matured technology but
1. Limited technology, resource and weapon. Yes US will determined and controled what we will get. (The closer you with US, they will favour you. We are not that close to US like the SG, TH and Indo)
2. Close watch from the US congress and every major decision or modification on the toys need the US congress written consent.
3. Banyak procedure nak kene buat bila dealing with US toys.
4. Rujuk no.3 WE CAN'T GET WHAT WE WANT - kalau tidak in 2000++ kita dah pakai SH with AESA radar. Malaysia was the 1st country offered to have SH in exchange for their F/A-18D
5. Again political factor involved is huge
Rafale
1. Cost more than SH but less then Typhoon
2. Battlefield proven and good track record during Libya war where only the Rafale go deep to destroy SAM battery radars
3. Have a good weapon proven system.
4. We can built our own Rafale kat Malaysia
5. We can get what we want in term of weapon, system and sensors.
6. MKM have a similar system to Rafale so TUDM have operated a familiar system to Rafale (tak percaya tengok video pilot TUDM MKM pilot sekarang pakai helmet French)
7. Again, the weapon in rafale also can be used with MKM (MICA)

Gripen
1. The most economical choice
2. Less crew to operate and less support crew need
3. TUDM prefer dual engine but ready to make exception
4. Some parts esp the engine are US made, so tengok balik SH no.1
5. Good weapon system
6. Leased with option to buy are available.
7. A good interim replacement for MMRCA candidate (Rafale/Typhoon/SH) before the arrival in 2020
8. Good replacement for F5E fleet and Hawk!

so tengok sendiri la kenapa wa PILIH rafale over Typhoon! 

minyak RON97 -- RM2.70 perliter (ini pun dah disubsidi dah nihh)

jarak bandar Malaysia dan China (contohnya untuk konflik spratly, kata la berlaku perang besar).. jauhnya ialah 3,530.76km

RM2.70 x 3,530.76km = RM9,533.052 (ini pergi je ni) .. kalau ulang alik maunya (RM9,533.052 x 2) = RM19,066.104

kata la perang 10 hari, RM19,066.104 x 10 = RM190,661.04 (ini baru satu pesawat)

satu skuad udara kalau nak pergi perang paling kurang kena 18 biji pesawat..

RM190,661.04 x 18 pesawat perang (koman betul, china ada beratus kot pesawat perang) = RM3,431,898.72

RM3 juta belanja paling koman untuk perang 10 hari pakai 18 jet perang (paling lemah ni) dan paling murah sebab dah disubsidi.. pesawat pejuang pula mana nak pakai RON97.. minyak petrol diaorang khas yang terbaik punya.. boleh jadi kos dia x3 ganda lebih tinggi dari ini

atreyuangel nampak tak sekarang.. nak buat latihan perang je kena makan kos paling kurang RM3 juta nanti untuk latihan 10 hari 18 jet pejuang untuk jaga kedaulatan sabah sarawak dan spratly, kena pula yang kuat kedarah minyak lagi la makan banyak kos dia nanti..

kita nak teknologi gempak-gempak tapi duit tak banyak..
pastu cam tak berapa relevan beli navy punya jet fighter tapi tak ada perancangan masa depan nak bina pesawat pengangkut dia..
dah la tu korbankan pula kelajuan semasa jet pemintas kita.. takut mati katak je nanti kalau betul-betul jadi perang betul-betul nanti.

bagus summary kau ni.. ini baru jadi forum taktikal peperangan ni   

battle proven, F15, F18 dan semua variasi dia, Rafale

tapi semua pun ada masalah gak nih.. F18 dan Rafale memang kuat makan minyak sebab ia dibina khas untuk navy (nak naik ke udara dengan amat cepat)

macam saya kata sebelum ni, kalau kita tak ada perancangan nak bina aircraft carrier sendiri.. tak ada relevannya disini kita angkat F18 dan Rafale, ia akan hanya bebankan lagi kewangan negara nak tanggung kos operasi harian dia.. paling jimat minyak ialah Eurofighter Typhoon tapi teknologi dia masih dalam pembangunan = kos nak beli mesti masih mahal lagi sebab kita nak kena tanggung R&D dia untuk benar-benar stabil

nak buat decision payah ni, kekangan kewangan dan aset sokongan yang tak mencukupi..
paling kuat angkat Gripen sewa dulu, kalau-kalau kes macam di spratly tu nak lawan banyak negara tu semakin parah.

antara semua pesawat pejuang navy yang economy dan teknologi bagus serta battle proven memang rafale..
tapi agak rugi kalau kita angkat tak dapat guna kemampuan sebenar dia.. kalau nak buat cam india iaitu buat pesawat pengangkut perang.

kalau nak ekonomi, jimat kos dan teknologi bagus, serta ada kemampuan sebenar sebagai pesawat pemintas bantu SU30MKM dalam dogfight tapi tak ada navy capability baik angkat F15 atau MiG35.. minyak pesawat pejuang bukannya murah.