He's already mention his weight bro. U no read? Lol

172cm/73kg/ 10%

Errrkh, I have small eyes lel.

Omg lol . My bad ! Nice stats btw.

Lol you are at your genetic max edy. http://nattyornot.com/how-big-can-you-get-...thout-steroids/

There's only 1 way forward now....

Deng deng deng. *dramatic music fades in*

2 years of training and he reached his genetic limit? Do note that some of you didnt see any progress on him in that before or after pic.

Come on, doubt that the table in the site is correct.

Am not sure how many years he train seriously. Yeah you are right, it takes like 4~5 years to be near genetic limit.

I feel the table on the site is correct. Omar Isuf, Luimarco, and even Darky failed to surpass those numbers. You can try a crosscheck yourself.

However I do think that there may be someone with supreme genetics and large frame who may exceed the chart by ~5lbs.

Nvm, after 2 years of lifting heavy sh!t. I've been approach by numerous of people asking me whether I'm on roids or not. LOL this week only I've been approach by 4 guys (diff gym) I'm used to that already.



Tbh, I never really care or bother about my stats. I just eat, lift sleep repeat and use mirror and picture to see my progress.


Never satisfy. Goodnight

This post has been edited by fas29: Mar 14 2015, 04:23 PM

I don't trust that site either. 3d delt oh you are not natty, photoshop physique oh you are not natty. Lol come on

why are we suddenly talking about roids??

First of all do you think you really know that he's already reached his genetic limit? Do you even train with him? If not the shut the fuck up.

You're just mirin his progress and too bad your 3 months doesn't made you any gains. He knows what works for him. So shut the fuck up with your genetic limit.

Lel this debate reminds me of Jeff sied and his team of "natural" aesthetics athletes claiming they're all natty. If you're in roids ,just admit it , there's no harm with that . Anyway, be it whether you choose roids or not it's your own option. Just seek proper consultation.

This post has been edited by kshen: Mar 14 2015, 11:54 AM

Too many people blaming they reached their "genetic limit" before they even give out their 100% to both training and diet. C'mon guys, lift people up instead of putting people down.

Great progress fas!

Malaysia biasa lar, the land where Mass Gainers paling laris and shit like MXT Muscle Terrorizer sells, while no one knows what is the caloric surplus.

The 3D delt thing kindda stupid lar actually, however I still trust the chart since I haven't found a natty who exceeded it.




All natty brah...

nice pic.. would wan see d whole body (no homo)

Thanks dude it means a lot!

Moving away from the roid.genetic limit talk.

So this entire 2 years of training, did you track your calories/macros quite accurately everyday?

Did you started on a fullbody routine then gradually moved on to a push/pull/legs split? Or did you did a 3~5 day bro split the entire 2 years?

Yes I track macros accordingly but not in my first year of training. I just eat a lot. I don't take mass gainer. I prefer making my own mass instead of relying powder.



I first started doing the typical 5 day bro split and then moving on to Layne Norton PHAT workout for 12 weeks and then back to the typical bro split and currently on P/P/L/P/P/L.

Woow damn 3400++ cals. So you eat out at subway for easy tracking? Nice idea. I normally pack chicken rice in the morning to work and just buy a salad/veg outside.

Since you ran PHAT, i have a question. A while bek I was doing research on volume and heard that PHAT's volume is too high for naturals, do you find this true?

lol i don't eat subway everyday. I just eat anything that has carbs/protein/fats like nasi lemak, nasi ayam, nasi campur bla bla. IIFYM yo.

Hahaha I don't care if the volume is too high or too low. I do it for the gainz. You sound like a broscience kinda dude where you research this and that without experiment it yourself.