Hi guys,

first of all, im a degree student and still have 2 years to go to finish my degree. but im planning to take master in australia after i finish my degree. What do i need?? CGPA more than 3.0?? If i cant get the scholarship, which organization to apply study loan?? worth or not to apply for personal loan?? any idea?? please share your knowledge. I really wanted to study in Australia. Help me guys!! ..

There is no CGPA for Australian education, CGPA is only for American education.

I believe that scholarships for taught masters are difficult to come by. You'll most probably pay for your own education.

Loans....not the best thing if you end up with high debts. Imagine taking a loan in your late twenties, when will you pay it off, How about marriage? house? car?

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 12 2006, 09:39 PM

after finish degree, straight away apply for master in australia. it's early of twenty. . let say at 23 years old, then master takes 2 years. i got da master at 25 years old. working there for 2 years to collect da money. back in malaysia at 27 years old. still not worth for education loan??


NekoRacing and others, u said no CGPA for australian education, then what they need to apply for a master?


Any idea how to continue da study in australia?? .. i really want to study there. ..

why dont u ask your professor what criteria that you need to apply for austalian university's master..? i bet they'll be able to tell you more than what we can offer here.

Don't forget that some postgrad programs require you to have work experience. WHat makes you think that you can work in australia just like that? Even if you can, 2 years worth of salary is nothing when you consider the high cost of living in Australia.

I don't think you realise the gravity of the situation here.........

feynman is right. its easier said than done. how much could a fresh graduate like you earn in australia? after deducting the living cost, transportation costs, etc... there's not much left. and i dont think that 2 years can pay u off your loans..

1) Where do you get your Bachelor degree?? Locally? Private U or Public U??

2) Is your degree recognised by Australia to begin with??

3) Is it must be Australia or it can be any oversea countries like Singapore, UK, USA, New Zealand??

4) What kind of Master degree?? Business aka MBA or Engineering??

5) How smart are you?? There are some universities in USA that if you are smart enough to get in, the universities are rich enough to give you scholarship plus a teaching assistant job to go with. But, you will be competing with smart students around the world for those kind of admission.

6) Do you have relative oversea that are willing to sponsor you to a certain degree like a place to stay??

7) Why do you want to get a Master degree??

Dreamer

Here is da answers:

1. Multimedia University (MMU)

2. I dont know. Where to check it?

3. Any oversea countries also ok. Canada, Australia, UK are my dream destination.

4. Master in IT coz currently im taking Software Engineering

5. Im not a brilliant student but im average. CGPA around 3 but not exceed 3.5

6. Totally nope.

7. Because I want to get better position in job and of course better income.


I hope to hear something from you .. thanks mate!

If you plan to study a taught masters course.. you should try working for a few years first.

The trend nowadays is for people to give out taught masters scholarships for people who have proven themselves in the workforce. Coz taught masters is usually meant for career advancement, and they dun wanna waste money on fresh grads who have not shown themselves to be capable in the workplace.

Wrong answer!!! If you want to have better income, you could have done something now before you are graduated.

1) Go into networking

MCSE, CCNA, CCNP

2) Get into system adminstration

Learn Unix/Linux

3) Learn Database

Oracle, SQL Server and so on..

4) Learn SAP

What is stopping you now???

Dreamer

To speak frankly, obtaining a masters will only increase your wage by a few hundred ringgits since almost everybody has masters. Unless of course you have postgrad degree(research) from popular and hard to get in schools, you might have the option to be slightly demanding and in harsher tone, arrogant.

No offense, you must have at least RM110k(fees alone) to go to a popular Australian university. And do you think you can pay off RM110k before thinking of marriage and all?I seriously doubt it, just look at the average income of people working in KL.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 13 2006, 10:10 PM

same prob with him and same thinking with ya all.. done a lot of thinking but havent come to any conclusion..the debts is a real killer, might ruin my life if not properly planned.

say if i got a free place to stay in melb, will it be ok?

You still need to worry abour the fees....which may come up to at least RM 100k for two years.

Even if you live with your relatives, I don't think it will be free.

This post has been edited by feynman: Apr 14 2006, 03:12 PM

Sometimes you have to face it that you might not get everything you want in life. You have to make choices that may bring good or bad to yourself, so think carefully.

Since you are from MMU, let me tell you a little story. There are 2 guys, A and B which came from MMU and took a degree in IT. After graduate both went seperate ways.

Guy A did what a lot of people did, got a job after graduation and earn a normal living. Now, guy A have almost finish paying his car and is buying a house now. Earning around 5-6k.

Guy B went on to Melbourne University in Aussie on parent's account after MMU (CGPA>3.8). Fees costs around ~10-15k AUD for the 1 year Masters course. Guy B graduated a year later and had to wait a few months to get a PR. After bumming around some part time jobs, Guy B did get a good IT job earning 2-3k AUD. However, cost of living was high, and Guy B didn't get a chance to save a lot. Guy B plans to come back after making more money but as time goes on, Guy B decided to settle down in Aussie instead.

Guy C went to Aussie on parent's account. After graduation, could not secure any job. After 6 months, all Guy C's money and his parents money dried out. In the end, Guy C came back broke and made his whole family suffer a lot of monetary loss.

You could be either guys. However, if you do not have financial backing from family or yourself, it is very risky to do so. It's not easy to get a scholarship, especially if you are not the cream of the crop. If you get a bank loan, interest is high and you need gurantors or collateral. What if you can't get a job in Aussie? How long can you live on your scholarship money (if you do manage to get one) in Aussie?

I'm not trying to pour cold water, but please think carefully before you make any decision. If you do manage to secure a way to go, do share it with everyone.

It is at least AUD 20k on tuition fees alone at the University of Melbourne.

To get a PR, you need to have points and $. As you already know, the australian government is reviewing the whole system which means tougher conditions and all.

I say it's too soon to plan to do a masters when u still have 2 years to go. I say give yourself another 1.5 years to see if u still wanna continue studying or not. Concentrate on getting your degree first

Masters need not be done overseas. MMU do offer masters as well and it might be easier to get financial help from them rather than an overseas uni.

But please be aware that a Postgrad qualification do not bring a lot of weight here in M'sia. If u're planning to work here, do not expect a big or any difference in salary. So don't expect too much. But do it if u have the interest in research and would like to learn more just for the sake of learning

This post has been edited by noonian: Apr 16 2006, 11:11 PM

checked.. for MBA in melb uni think >30k a year

I do agree with some lyner here, work 1st at least a year or two before considering master, it will be better for urself.

Here is some info from my personal experience.

Basically there are 2 types of Master. Coursework vs Research.

For coursework,
U can enter if u have the $ to enter, or you could apply for scholarship, be it Uni based scholarship or Nationwide scholarship. Its just like applying a degree, as long as you passed your degree, u'll get into coursework master (generally, but not alwaz the case depending on course as well). Just fill in the form from the Uni u wish to apply for during any education fair etc.

For research,
Either u have a 1st class honours or 2nd upper with working experience. Even before u apply, u need to contact ur pontential respective school, for your case IT, talk to any professor, and suggest an idea, prepare your proposal. If any professor wish to take you as thier student, then u write in to apply using certain form, with the recommendation from the professor. For aussie (Applies for 1st class only), there is one scholarship, called Internationa Postgrad Research Scholarship (IPRS), u can apply for that, but it will be hard as u will be competing with students around the world, those top class student. Approx 300 scholarship will be offered to all Unis in aussie, ending up one unis can give only approx 3 to 7 scholarship A YEAR.

FYI, IT related Research by Master is about AUD20k++ a year for tuition fees only.

Scholarship references : jason : Postgraduate Scholarship Database for Australia

guys, thanks for your comments .. i do hope to hear more from you .. ..

@ Seng_Kiat:

Maybe after your Degree, you could TRY to work and at the same time study at Australia.

Where your money will circulate within Australia itself, instead of just flowing into Australia only. Get what I mean? So you don't have to rely 100% on your parent's account.

just want to ask? how to Work and study in Australia? can us just go to Au to work even though we are not studying there b4? from what i know, we have to study/graduate in Au in order for us to work there....

what if those who have Australia degree, but not study there? (twinning programm), can or not it consider as au student??? then can we work there?

Basically anyone can work in australia if you are allowed to do so by the Australian government. But the thing is, you can't just enter australia and demand that you'll be given a job.It is quite complicated, something like in the UK.

You can work part-time to subsidise your studies, typically not more than 20 hours per week. It does lessen the burden on your parents but it cannot be the only source to finance your education.

waht type of job that we can apply? like i m in IT field, would it possible that i get a job related to waht i study? or i just can work all those restaurant part-time job?

just an idea, l m a gov servant, so would it be ok, if i take a half-pay leave to study overseas? i get a loan fr bank, and with my half pay salary, i use it to pay the tuition fees.. any suggestion/comment of this idea?

Depends on your luck, you may or may not get it.

Since you are working for the government, why not apply for a government sponsorship.

cause i m using my diploma to apply for my current gov job. can i apply for master using my diploma? that's y i afraid that they won;t allow if i apply for sponsor ship for master. Master degree is only applicable for those pegawai who have degree , not penolong pegawai...

actually i have my degree, but the gov doesn't recognise it.. that's y i use diploma... Malaysian Government doesn't want to recognise overseas degree but they allow foreign universities to open branch campus here... and they want to make Malaysia an Education Centre Point where as they dun even recognise the certificate..

To all those people that think they can get a job easily, please think carefully. With the opening up of China and India, you will be facing competition from Chinese and Indians for jobs in countries such as USA, Canada, UK and Australia. Due the size of their population, they have a lot of smarter people in oversea than Malaysians.

In USA, the main reason why Malaysian got hired to work at restaurant as waiter/ waitress is because we have better English than the Chinese from Mainland. But this advantange is slowing going away. The competition for job is a lot taugher than in Malaysia.

You may have a easier time if you have a foreign universoty degree.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 18 2006, 11:50 AM

yeap.. that's what i thougth. but when Morph told Siang Kiat that he can work n study in AU, then i thought now change policy, that's y i asked...

so it';s still teh same, can't work there

This post has been edited by magnum: Apr 18 2006, 12:19 PM

what do u mean by that???

So, which university is your degree from?

an private university in S;wak

This post has been edited by magnum: Apr 18 2006, 12:30 PM

That is not a foreign university degree in my book. It is local private university degree. When I mean foreign universoty degree, I mean that you get your degree in foreign country. It might be a twinning program.

Let's say you get your bachelor degree in Australia, it will be easier for you to apply for master and jobs plus scholoarship in Australia. You know the situation in that country plus the employer has an idea what kind of degree that you have.

Dreamer

the branch campus of a foreign univ, does it count as foreign degree???

You have never stay at Australia and the Australian do not know you.

Dreamer

ok.. but i still can apply for master in Au, right?

Dreamer.. are u studying in Au? or graduated from there? can share some infor on studying master there? what can i do to earn some expenses if i decide to study there?

This post has been edited by magnum: Apr 18 2006, 03:04 PM

^ of course u can apply, no one is stopping u from doing that, but what will happen is that it wont necessarily mean u'll get a place. and yea, u can work part time, IF you can find a part-time job, it'll be more than enough to support your expenses if you use sparingly. the school fees u still need to pay tho, since the part time earnings will only be enuff to cover your expenses.

if your degree from curtin miri?

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^ of course u can apply, no one is stopping u from doing that, but what will happen is that it wont necessarily mean u'll get a place.
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thanks for your information.. just want to ask , if our result is good, they will consider also???

[quote=ckwei,Apr 18 2006, 04:43 PM]
if your degree from curtin miri?

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not fr curtin

[quote=magnum,Apr 18 2006, 03:03 PM]
ok.. but i still can apply for master in Au, right?

Dreamer.. are u studying in Au? or graduated from there? can share some infor on studying master there? what can i do to earn some expenses if i decide to study there?

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[quote=magnum,Apr 18 2006, 03:51 PM]
[quote=ckwei,Apr 18 2006, 04:43 PM]
^ of course u can apply, no one is stopping u from doing that, but what will happen is that it wont necessarily mean u'll get a place.
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thanks for your information.. just want to ask , if our result is good, they will consider also???

[quote=ckwei,Apr 18 2006, 04:43 PM]
if your degree from curtin miri?

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not fr curtin

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1) I got my BSEE and MSEE from USA. I lived and worked in USA for many years. I only visited Australia. In USA, rich universities give scholarship and teaching assitantship to smart students around the world to study and do research in USA. If you are very good, there is no problem doing that. Money is never the issue. But, are you that good?? Can you compete with the rest of world?? Please noted that they (Indians and Chineses) came from world ranked universities too.

2) Please noted that a good result in this case mean your result is good enough to beat/compete with the smart students from India and China.

3) Are you that good?? If you are and your lecturer is famous, you should ask your lecturer to recommend where to go in Australia.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 18 2006, 05:05 PM

Yeah can. I got a friend whom got his Degree from UUM, and did his masters in Monash University, Australia after that.

Currently lecturing in MMU

Well.. i dun think i m that good, but can consider average..what if i consider US university? do they accept Au Degree if i want to study my Master there?

will it be easier to study/live in US than AU? if there much difference between these 2 coutnries?

1) For USA,
For Engineering Graduate study, you need to take GRE test.
For business Graduate study, you need to take GMAT test.

After you get the test result, then, you will know where you stand in term of getting into USA universities and getting scholarship.

2) USA is a much much larger countries than Australia with a lot more universities. The cost of living and fees different by a great deal comparing one state inside USA to another states. In general, the fee in USA will be greater than Australia.

3) I have no idea whether your degree is recognised by USA.

Dreamer

hi dreamer, thanks for your information. just have some more questions.. hope u dun mind giving me your ideas...

1. What is GRE test? where can we take the test?? how do we rate ourself to enrol in US universities?

2. I am more interested in taking my master in US, do u mind to give me infor and teh procedure to apply for US Univ? I plan to take up Master in Computer Engineering..will it be good to do this course in US?

My information is not up to date. Why don't you start a thread ask people the procedure of applying to USA and how to get a scholarship on Master degree.

With GRE test result, you will not whether your result is great or goo denough to apply to which unversites.

In USA, a Master degree is specialized in something. So, a Master in Computer engineering is too generic. Each university is famous in doing research in some area. For example, some schools are famous in parallel compiler design and so on..

Dreamer

where to take teh GRE test?

It won't kill you if you google GRE.........

What one have done or what one did not do will somehow indicate if one is capable of surviving in the ultra competitive academic world in the States.