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valsyr
post Mar 18 2013, 11:30 AM

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I hope there's more to the story than that. Maybe they just don't have enough chemistry. If u understand what u need to make u happy and there are other pple out there who can provide better, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to end rship early. It still doens't sound pleasant.. but even for me sometimes u think love is enough but if after some time u feel like u are doing everything for your partner then it sucks.
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QUOTE(7chai @ Mar 18 2013, 11:25 AM)
wont 1 la, by the time the ex sucessful she already marry to 1 dato that going to die soon. waiting to split harta riao  laugh.gif
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on which what she did in the first place was proven to be stupid.
She is cheapening her dignity.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(7chai @ Mar 18 2013, 11:25 AM)
wont 1 la, by the time the ex sucessful she already marry to 1 dato that going to die soon. waiting to split harta riao  laugh.gif
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just bcos she THINKS she can do better, doesnt mean she actually can.

Dato can get models etc, y want her?

rich guys can get rich hot girls, y wanna settle for middle class girl? she looks at "status", she thinks the guy doesnt look at "status" too? plus, most rich mother in laws are PAINFUL!!!

dato'/rich guys will play with her but they didnt become dato/rich guys without being smart enough to recognise when a girls is after their money/status. whistling.gif


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post Mar 18 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Mar 18 2013, 11:31 AM)
on which what she did in the first place was proven to be stupid.
She is cheapening her dignity.
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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Mar 18 2013, 11:32 AM)
just bcos she THINKS she can do better, doesnt mean she actually can.

Dato can get models etc, y want her?

rich guys can get rich hot girls, y wanna settle for middle class girl? she looks at "status", she thinks the guy doesnt look at "status" too? plus, most rich mother in laws are PAINFUL!!!

dato'/rich guys will play with her but they didnt become dato/rich guys without being smart enough to recognise when a girls is after their money/status.  whistling.gif
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why u 2 fella sound so serious 1 icon_question.gif sweat.gif laugh.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:41 AM)
i guess for guys that are afraid of women cashing in after divorce, dont get married in the first place! it is a modern world, nothing bad about wanting to live a bachelor's life.

i agree about the growing trend of feminism. but how a women takes it is individual. i do not believe i am sacred and i do not believe men are disposable. My father is a man, my brothers are men, my husband is a man and i value them as much as i value my own life.

however i do believe that in certain segments of society women do not have the same bargaining power as a gal like me and they do need some extra protection. By certain segments i mean the poor, where women are brought up without education, without the freedom to choose and without self worth.
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Or sign a prenup that states clearly on the wealth distribution in case of divorce. But again, what are the chances of any woman wanting to sign a fair deal when they know they can screw men in court (using kids as pawns) for money and property.

Feminism growing is one thing, but it had ran way over its purpose than what it started off initially. You may be an exception (and you got my respect for that) but as far as I am concerned, if the general women population were offered with more than they can deliver/provide they will absolutely take it. They easily screw their moral and traditional obligations as long as they get the convenience to do things and then claim the credit on them when it was the males who did more of the ground work and sacrificing their lives.

Women that deserves protection are women that reciprocate kindness towards them, not using men (in addition of demonizing them as well) for their utmost convenience. And since it was the women who wanted to subsribe to the feminist beliefs they should be the ones that has to protect themselves, not blaming men on every downfall that happen due to their own unwise decision of the past.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(7chai @ Mar 18 2013, 11:34 AM)
why u 2 fella sound so serious 1  icon_question.gif  sweat.gif  laugh.gif
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kekekeke, i dont like gold diggers, they give us normal girls a bad rep tongue.gif
7chai
post Mar 18 2013, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Mar 18 2013, 11:37 AM)
kekekeke, i dont like gold diggers, they give us normal girls a bad rep  tongue.gif
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well, most of the humsap rich man love gold diggers.

why ?

because easy to handle ma icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Mar 18 2013, 11:35 AM)
Or sign a prenup that states clearly on the wealth distribution in case of divorce. But again, what are the chances of any woman wanting to sign a fair deal when they know they can screw men in court (using kids as pawns) for money and property.

my loyer friend said prenup not valid in msian.

Feminism growing is one thing, but it had ran way over its purpose than what it started off initially. You may be an exception (and you got my respect for that) but as far as I am concerned, if the general women population were offered with more than they can deliver/provide they will absolutely take it. They easily screw their moral and traditional obligations as long as they get the convenience to do things and then claim the credit on them when it was the males who did more of the ground work and sacrificing their lives.

i dont know if it is "general women population", but i agree that there is a segment that takes feminism to a dif level.

Women that deserves protection are women that reciprocate kindness towards them, not using men (in addition of demonizing them as well) for their utmost convenience.

i think we are talking about two very dif segments of society. women who deserve protection tend to be the poorer/less educated/more submissive segment of society. women who use men and demonise them tend to be better educated/more dominant. the latter in my opinion dont deserve protection from external parties as they can perfectly take care of themselves.

And since it was the women who wanted to subsribe to the feminist beliefs they should be the ones that has to protect themselves, not blaming men on every downfall that happen due to their own unwise decision of the past.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:48 AM

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well, for smart girl, the knew youngerity have a period of time, so they aim for richer man. They wanna exchange youngerity with money.

pretty stuff need money to maintenence.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:54 AM

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Why should we let women decides what a successful man is since most don't really have a clue on what it takes to be a man?

Most women just need to be there, while men has to do many things just to get where there are.

Expecting appreciation from a women to reciprocate the hard work that you do is a futile exercise because the current society and big daddy government are shaped by giving free stuffs to women for votes and to drive the economy. She thinks she doesn't need you because she has the government to take care of most of her needs.

Appreciation

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I think what most men uniquely deceive themselves of is that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices. Learn this now, you wont. You can’t be because women fundamentally lack the ability to fully realize, much less appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate her reality. Even the most enlightened, appreciative woman you know still operates in a feminne-centric reality. Men making the personal sacrifices necessary to honor, respect and love her are commonplace. You’re supposed to do those things. You sacrificed your ambitions and potential to provide her with a better life? You were supposed to. You resisted temptation and didn’t cheat on your wife with the hot secretary who was DTF and ready to go? You were supposed to. Your responsibilities to maintaining a marriage, a home, your family, etc. are common – they’re expected. They are only appreciated in their absence.

This is the totality of the feminine-centric reality. Men only exist to facilitate the feminine reality, and any man who disputes this (or even analyzes its aspects) is therefore not a ‘man’. It just IS. Even the most self-serving, maverick among men is still beholden to the feminine imperative in that he’s only defined as a rebel because he doesn’t comply with the common practices of ‘men’ in a female defined reality. And ironically it’s just this maverick who is appreciated by the feminine above those men who would comply with it (or even promote it)  as a matter of course.

The concept of appreciation really dovetails into a lot of other aspects of intergender relations.

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post Mar 18 2013, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(7chai @ Mar 18 2013, 11:34 AM)
why u 2 fella sound so serious 1  icon_question.gif  sweat.gif  laugh.gif
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yor..
but seriously, climbing ladder is ok one wor. As long as you are on top, you can get authority and power. when you get both of that, that you are lek chai.
so, TS friend is actually not wrong also.
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post Mar 18 2013, 11:58 AM

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CIMB management ah? ok i go find who tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(omgimahero @ Mar 18 2013, 11:58 AM)
CIMB management ah? ok i go find who tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(siew14 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:09 AM)
As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...
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wonder how she thought of her bf to have no future? wonder how she become the gf in the first place..

anyway, how to define a successful man? there are lots of factors describing a successful man, but i think the one single most important factor is this -- CAPABILITY OF PROVIDING.
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post Mar 18 2013, 02:09 PM

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a successful man is no slave to a woman.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(siew14 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:09 AM)
As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...
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1) If the define "no future" as mean by the bf low ambition, then a lot of guys will be out. As many gals holding high positions nowadays.

2) If the define "no future" as mean by good guys characters such as financial control/saving, then I understand why she dump her bf.

My definition of successful man is:
A) Have good stable career and able feed the family, wife, to-be-children(good financial condition, does not have to be rich)
B) 2C(Caring for each other, Compatibility with each other)

Flower will fade with time. As long as both gal/guy care for each other and tolerate, relationship will last.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Mar 18 2013, 10:32 AM)
Most probably not, but always remember that our court system are getting more women oriented by time. Went through Tropicana City Mall on Sat just to see many bays were changed into pink with 'Ladies only' label. In this growing feminism now, women are sacred creatures while we men are disposables.

So if the rich bugger wanted to trade up, he will think twice or else he will be risking his hard earned money over that wrinkly, cellulite ridden bag of bones because she knew that she can still get him to pay after a divorce.
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If the rich guy does not do Donald Trump prenuptial agreement, then it should be good for the woman to enjoy.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:21 PM

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Good that she dumped him, for him is a blessing in disguise at least no leecher on the ultimate success that awaits him =)

For her, it may or may not be a lost, anyway if her current view of relationship doesn't change she would be in MCA speed dating gathering in the next 5-10 years!! XD
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:50 PM

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Just in the context of this thread -

A successful Man is someone who does not need to ask whether he is good enough to tackle any girl he wants. It does not mean that he will succeed but he does not doubt his own ability.
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post Mar 18 2013, 06:05 PM

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dear all,

thanks for the strong response..... laugh.gif

the purpose of creating this thread is to reflect my ownself actually..... i m still single and would like to date a chick with brain (like my friend in this thread for example), my belief are so long both of us can clique/click (i dunno how to spell it), can make her happy - not in monetary- then we are good to proceed to next level of relationship.... in fact, seems like I need the another factor, or most important factor, be a succesful person, which i m not for now since i m just a freshie who just started to work in a SME currently... sad.gif

you may say, " please pee and look at yourself in the pee" or who do you think you are or do you deserve this kind of gal? well, i m just prefer and wish to date this kind of chick la.... i bet you do right??? not just me... xD

will provide more detail about my friend later, gona dig her news more... laugh.gif




QUOTE(drcoolz @ Mar 18 2013, 08:23 AM)
Obviously, the girl have a strong future. Management Trainee in CIMB. That's a strong threshold.

I will describe a successful man as in financial stable and have a stable career. Earn a lot or less is just a number. Able to use the money wisely is an important issue. That's what I consider a successful.  Also, able to maintain a good relations with friends and love ones are criteria for a successful man. That's what in my mind
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still live with parents, earn less than you , but trying his best to save money, and climbing up corporate ladder, is that ok with u? or is that consider a guy with good prospect???? not a succesful man yet... laugh.gif

QUOTE(Jimmy Two Times @ Mar 18 2013, 08:46 AM)
Usually, arrogant pretty and beautiful girl will always end up getting old and lonely, with cats (edited as previous statement was too offensive).

I feel sorry for her.

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she felt she deserves better because of her beauty and intellectual.... what you say?

QUOTE(KVReninem @ Mar 18 2013, 08:50 AM)
trainee only, already put high status.

not even fully employed...

If she think she`s that good, prove it.
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CIMB managmenet trainee yo, hard to enter ler.... and yes she is pretty, but sorry no drillz cause abit dangerous...

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Mar 18 2013, 08:51 AM)
A successful man is always the man with deep pockets. But of course, with brains and attitude to keep the money growing and has the balls to kick any female leech out from his life.
Btw ts your friend may dump the man who she perceives as a loser, but any more 'successful' man that knew her case will perceive her as a sperm depositary aka human toilet.
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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:05 AM)
i know a few girls like ur friend, think they so great and mighthy, marry money & power so they can show off.  shocking.gif

remind her that flowers have short life spans. she marries for money & status, he marries for her beauty. ten years down the line, when she has wrinkles, cellulite, love handles, spider veins etc, let's see if he still loves her.  whistling.gif
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how is their life now? are they happy with it or they are just faking it? or you have no idea at all???

lets put her situation in your shoe, will u dump your bf if you find him not going to be succesful ? or he is struggling to become succesful, but yet you already accomplished , like can afford to buy a house, earn more than him , etc-etc....

QUOTE(dameun89 @ Mar 18 2013, 11:05 AM)
In all my life I've done really crazy and stupid stuff,however your dear friend just took the crown.. rclxms.gif
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you are a dude isnt it ? rclxub.gif

QUOTE(valsyr @ Mar 18 2013, 11:30 AM)
I hope there's more to the story than that. Maybe they just don't have enough chemistry. If u understand what u need to make u happy and there are other pple out there who can provide better, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to end rship early. It still doens't sound pleasant.. but even for me sometimes u think love is enough but if after some time u feel like u are doing everything for your partner then it sucks.
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your first impression is that her decision is acceptable?

will update you more after i dig more about her... smile.gif

QUOTE(omgimahero @ Mar 18 2013, 11:58 AM)
CIMB management ah? ok i go find who tongue.gif
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good luck! tongue.gif


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