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Investment LAKEFRONT CYBERJAYA | PR1MA LAKEFRONT [OT], Villa | Acorus Brasenia Caldesia Diandra

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neobita
post Apr 3 2017, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(ahkit123 @ Apr 3 2017, 11:25 AM)
check out maju at sungai besi, 4k units = rm600k. razak at sungai besi, 4k units = rm400k. how much is pr1ma?
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PR1MA is 1932K units = RM280K

The Block A, B, C and D are using one entrance, Blok E, F and G are using another. A, B, C and D are PRIMA's, priced at RM280K with the size 850sqft for each house.

The E, F and G are for developers to sell to open market, priced starting from RM400K with the size of 1010sqft for each house.

hope that helps

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post Apr 3 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(ahkit123 @ Apr 3 2017, 11:25 AM)
check out maju at sungai besi, 4k units = rm600k. razak at sungai besi, 4k units = rm400k. how much is pr1ma?
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Thank you for your kind comments Sir.

But come on!!!

You can't compare non-PR1MA projects with PR1MA projects... Such an unfair treatment. Non-PR1MA projects do not get all the benefits of PR1MA projects.

Besides, PR1MA projects already said 20% below market price, so definitely the price tag will be lower.

So please if you wanna make a comparison, compare apples with apples.

Not apples with durians or mangosteens.

And one more thing, you're comparing with places in Sungai Besi where Bandar Malaysia will be there and it's close proximity to KL.

Is it fair to compare with Cyberjaya?

Please compare apples with apples. Compare PR1MA wirh PR1MA, Cyberjaya with Cyberjaya.

Seriously, I also can take an apartment in Tanjung Malim then compare it to Cyberjaya. Will you feel it's fair? Of course not!

The comparison is NOT VALID at all

This post has been edited by pr1ma_owner: Apr 3 2017, 12:32 PM
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post Apr 3 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(neobita @ Apr 3 2017, 11:54 AM)
PR1MA is 1932K units = RM280K

The Block A, B, C and D are using one entrance, Blok E, F and G are using another. A, B, C and D are PRIMA's, priced at RM280K with the size 850sqft for each house.

The E, F and G are for developers to sell to open market, priced starting from RM400K with the size of 1010sqft for each house.

hope that helps

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Thank you for your comments Sir.

Not really.

I think you're referring to starting price.

Cos if you want corner units, MCT will charge you even higher than RM 280k icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 3 2017, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 12:17 PM)
Thank you for your comments Sir.

Not really.

I think you're referring to starting price.

Cos if you want corner units, MCT will charge you even higher than RM 280k  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If you want corner unit PR1MA, MCT will charge you RM5K for the windows. The corner unit will sell at RM 285K.

I Have already clarified this on my previous posts
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Mar 31 2017, 04:28 PM)
Thank you for your comment.

First, you must know where CBD area is.

Then just google map and see yourself from Cyberjaya 2 to CBD area and between Cyberjaya Lakfront to CBD area.

Hope this helps
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assuming CBD is around HSBC/IBM/Shell/DHL area. distance to both lakefront and laman view is roughly 4-5km. ignoring the high density factor and look at it purely based on location, i don't see how laman view is superior than the other one.

one is passing through all the upcoming/existing commercial/business area (eg. malls), while the other one is passing through a few office blocks and empty lands. plus laman view is currently built on a remote area with nothing else besides itself.

no comment on the density issue, no doubt about it.
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(teNtiOn @ Apr 3 2017, 01:01 PM)
assuming CBD is around HSBC/IBM/Shell/DHL area. distance to both lakefront and laman view is roughly 4-5km. ignoring the high density factor and look at it purely based on location, i don't see how laman view is superior than the other one.

one is passing through all the upcoming/existing commercial/business area (eg. malls), while the other one is passing through a few office blocks and empty lands. plus laman view is currently built on a remote area with nothing else besides itself.

no comment on the density issue, no doubt about it.
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Welcome to sardine-PACKED apartment!!!
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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 02:26 PM)
Welcome to sardine-PACKED apartment!!!
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like i said no comment on that as it's a fact. however put aside the location of cyberjaya and pr1ma status which some ppl claimed oversupplied, it is not as high density compared to other on-going development.

lakefront pr1ma - 1932 units on 18.78 acres (102units/acre)
lakefront residences (non pr1ma) - 2424 units on 23 acres (105 units/acre) <- not sure if this still valid as the plan changed frequently

so in total 4356 on 41.78 acres land, around 104units/acre.

take one random development near my place, density level is more than double. and bear in mind high rises are being developed in every single land beside this.

h2o residences - 1375 units on 6.04 acres (227units/acre)

p/s not trying to compare pr1ma development, just purely based on density

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post Apr 3 2017, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(teNtiOn @ Apr 3 2017, 03:01 PM)
like i said no comment on that as it's a fact. however put aside the location of cyberjaya and pr1ma status which some ppl claimed oversupplied, it is not as high density compared to other on-going development.

lakefront pr1ma - 1932 units on 18.78 acres (102units/acre)
lakefront residences (non pr1ma) - 2424 units on 23 acres (105 units/acre) <- not sure if this still valid as the plan changed frequently

so in total 4356 on 41.78 acres land, around 104units/acre.

take one random development near my place, density level is more than double. and bear in mind high rises are being developed in every single land beside this.

h2o residences - 1375 units on 6.04 acres (227units/acre)

p/s not trying to compare pr1ma development, just purely based on density
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Thank you for your wise comments Sir and I truly appreciate it.

I can understand in developed and mature areas where h2o is, then there's an urgent need for high density projects due to sky rocletting land prices.

However for somewhere like Cyberjaya, why can't they build like Cyberjaya 2 with only 469 units?

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QUOTE(teNtiOn @ Apr 3 2017, 03:01 PM)
like i said no comment on that as it's a fact. however put aside the location of cyberjaya and pr1ma status which some ppl claimed oversupplied, it is not as high density compared to other on-going development.

lakefront pr1ma - 1932 units on 18.78 acres (102units/acre)
lakefront residences (non pr1ma) - 2424 units on 23 acres (105 units/acre) <- not sure if this still valid as the plan changed frequently

so in total 4356 on 41.78 acres land, around 104units/acre.

take one random development near my place, density level is more than double. and bear in mind high rises are being developed in every single land beside this.

h2o residences - 1375 units on 6.04 acres (227units/acre)

p/s not trying to compare pr1ma development, just purely based on density
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At least some comments which makes sense, especially with the numbers together.
How on earth can people say that "4k is high density" when.
1. They do not even know what's the density like? In this instance, the unit has to be either units/area or people/area.
2. They are not comparing it with another benchmark? Even with a calculated figure, for example: 104 units/acre. For it to be high, it was to be compared with figures that are lower than it. Likewise, if it is lower than other figures or the overall average for a certain area, then it will be low in comparison.

Simple maths and logic you have there, but should be sufficient to knock some logic into those who continuously say that "4k is high density"
LMAO
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post Apr 3 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 3 2017, 03:27 PM)
At least some comments which makes sense, especially with the numbers together.
How on earth can people say that "4k is high density" when.
1. They do not even know what's the density like? In this instance, the unit has to be either units/area or people/area.
2. They are not comparing it with another benchmark? Even with a calculated figure, for example: 104 units/acre. For it to be high, it was to be compared with figures that are lower than it. Likewise, if it is lower than other figures or the overall average for a certain area, then it will be low in comparison.

Simple maths and logic you have there, but should be sufficient to knock some logic into those who continuously say that "4k is high density"
LMAO
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Thank you so much for your comments Sir.

As I've already highlighted, any comparison must be like and like.

Firstly it must be comparing to projects in Cyberjaya.

You can't simply compare density ratio between KL area with Cyberjaya, cos it's unfair!

So if we take the closest comparable in Cyberjaya and also under PR1MA, which is Cyberjaya 2.

Cyberjaya 2 has 469 units in 6.7 acres, which means 70 units per acre.

Whereas Cyberjaya Lakefront has 1,932 units in 18.78 acres, which means 103 units per acre.

So it's a STAGGERING 47% higher compared to like and like comparison.

Of course we can compare with other projects too, but as I said, please compare apples with apples.

If you wanna compare PR1MA Cyberjaya Lakefront, please make comparisons with other projects in Cyberjaya.

DO NOT go and simply pick projects elsewhere.

Cos, properties depend on LOCATION, LOCATION and LOCATION.
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post Apr 3 2017, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 03:45 PM)
Thank you so much for your comments Sir.

As I've already highlighted, any comparison must be like and like.

Firstly it must be comparing to projects in Cyberjaya.
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Mate, I was merely commenting on the logic and figures that is needed to support the statement "4k is high density".
Not referring to PR1MA, Cyberjaya 2, Lakefront....etc
Heck, don't even know the project details and have no idea where is it.

So, take a chill pill. You seemed to be pretty tensed. Cheers mate.
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post Apr 3 2017, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 3 2017, 03:57 PM)
Mate, I was merely commenting on the logic and figures that is needed to support the statement "4k is high density".
Not referring to PR1MA, Cyberjaya 2, Lakefront....etc
Heck, don't even know the project details and have no idea where is it.

So, take a chill pill. You seemed to be pretty tensed. Cheers mate.
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Thank you for your comments Sir.

I understand where you're coming from.

But I would just like to stress that even if you have calculated the density ratio, you must only compare density ratio of a project to the other projects nearby.

You can't calculate the density ratio in Sg Besi and compare it to the one in Cyberjaya and make any conclusion from it.

Honestly, to me buying a property especially buying a house is a 30 years of commitment.

I'm so sorry if you think I'm too serious about this.

But for the matter of fact, yes I am so serious, because purchasing a house especially for middle income earners, will affect their financials in the long term.

That's why I don't want anybody to regret it.

Agian I'm so sorry if I'd been too serious. But really, RM 280k for middle income earners with 4 or 5 kids, living in Klang Valley is an extremely big number.

It's a no JOKE matter

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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 04:04 PM)
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You can't calculate the density ratio in Sg Besi and compare it to the one in Cyberjaya and make any conclusion from it.
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Actually, everything and anything can be compared.
When deciding to purchase an asset, Property A to Property B, it can be of a different location and even of a different type (commercial, agriculture, residential....etc).

Some people might want a different type of asset, a car perhaps? "Do I buy my dream car or do I spend the same amount of money on a property?"

Some people might want to buy life experience and not a physical asset instead. "Do I travel around the world or do I spend the same amount of money on an asset, be it car or property?"

Nothing really wrong comparing, and also, nothing wrong or to be sorry about being serious. People have different view and priorities in life. That's what makes the world tick and makes all of us unique.

Cheers.
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QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 03:19 PM)
Thank you for your wise comments Sir and I truly appreciate it.

I can understand in developed and mature areas where h2o is, then there's an urgent need for high density projects due to sky rocletting land prices.

However for somewhere like Cyberjaya, why can't they build like Cyberjaya 2 with only 469 units?
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why can't they build like what it is now? it's business to maximize profit.

QUOTE(pr1ma_owner @ Apr 3 2017, 04:04 PM)
You can't calculate the density ratio in Sg Besi and compare it to the one in Cyberjaya and make any conclusion from it.
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take my previous example h2o, it is so much higher in term of density compared to other project in the same area. you can even find development that is cheaper and lower in term of density. but does it stop the potential buyer?

i used to own a high density condo (~2000 units condo) in KD. is it liveable? yes. is it cheaper than other dev? yes. must the developer build something less density? we can't decide.

located in cyberjaya does not means that it needs to be cheap. land is not cheap there either plus everyone's selling future price.
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QUOTE(teNtiOn @ Apr 3 2017, 04:23 PM)
why can't they build like what it is now? it's business to maximize profit.
take my previous example h2o, it is so much higher in term of density compared to other project in the same area. you can even find development that is cheaper and lower in term of density. but does it stop the potential buyer?

i used to own a high density condo (~2000 units condo) in KD. is it liveable? yes. is it cheaper than other dev? yes. must the developer build something less density? we can't decide.

located in cyberjaya does not means that it needs to be cheap. land is not cheap there either plus everyone's selling future price.
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Thank you for your comments Sir.

You mentioned that land is not cheap there either plus everyone's selling future price.

But surprisingly just around the corner, Cyberjaya 2 is having much lower density, as well as selling at a lower price.

I'm only questioning this because, both of these projects are under PR1MA.

Why can't PR1MA ensure consistency in pricing and value proposition?
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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 3 2017, 04:22 PM)
Actually, everything and anything can be compared.
When deciding to purchase an asset, Property A to Property B, it can be of a different location and even of a different type (commercial, agriculture, residential....etc).

Some people might want a different type of asset, a car perhaps? "Do I buy my dream car or do I spend the same amount of money on a property?"

Some people might want to buy life experience and not a physical asset instead. "Do I travel around the world or do I spend the same amount of money on an asset, be it car or property?"

Nothing really wrong comparing, and also, nothing wrong or to be sorry about being serious. People have different view and priorities in life. That's what makes the world tick and makes all of us unique.

Cheers.
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Thank you for your comments Sir.

I would just like to ensure that fair comparisaon is being made.

For example, if we compare a landed property in Bukit Bintang is having a more expensive price tage compared to rural area another landed property in rural area in Perlis.

Then suddenly we say wow the house in Perlis is cheaper and makes more sense to buy it there.

But we failed to see other moving factors which are very important to determine a house price.

Sometimes I just feel that these types of comparisons are unfair.
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Google map search. Prima @ Cyberjaya lakefront is nearby Indah Water Konsortinum (unit Langat)?
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QUOTE(Happyvns @ Apr 3 2017, 05:20 PM)
Google map search. Prima @ Cyberjaya lakefront is nearby  Indah Water Konsortinum (unit Langat)?
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How much do you guys think this will affect PR1MA Cyberjaya Lakefront by MCT?

Should the future buyers hold back from purchasing their balloted units?
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QUOTE(Happyvns @ Apr 3 2017, 05:20 PM)
Google map search. Prima @ Cyberjaya lakefront is nearby  Indah Water Konsortinum (unit Langat)?
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