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post Feb 25 2013, 10:54 PM, updated 13y ago

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The Proton Preve was introduced in Australia in 2013. This ANCAP safety rating applies to all variants. Dual frontal, side chest and side head airbags (curtains) are standard. Antilock brakes (ABS), electronic brake distribution (EBD) and electronic stability control (ESC) are also standard. Advanced seat belt reminders are fitted to both front seats.
5 Star. In the offset crash test driver chest and leg protection was acceptable. Passenger chest protection was acceptable. In the side impact crash test driver chest protection was acceptable. Performance in the side pole test was good.

http://www.ancap.com.au/crashtestrecord?Id=516

Full report PDF: http://www.ancap.com.au/pdf/516.PDF
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Lol this morning 2 of my classes got discussion about Proton and their quality and now tonight I read this? Alright...
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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 10:57 PM)
Lol this morning 2 of my classes got discussion about Proton and their quality and now tonight I read this? Alright...
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 25 2013, 11:00 PM)
I prepared a whole long list about proton's weakness/challenges for seminar exam last sem, but alas didn't come out!  shakehead.gif
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Well you prepare it just for the sake of exams, so of course they troll you back. /joking
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apa??

banyaknya airbag tu
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post Feb 25 2013, 11:05 PM

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last time all proton basher say ..ANCAP 5 star then only talk la bla bla thing (when preve just release)

now got liao

sure they will say undertable result songlap result etc etc shit

oversea preve use better steel our 1 use milo tin to cover

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hehehehehehehhe good luck to all mah friend that chosen vios and myvi hehehehehehehehehe
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Feb 25 2013, 10:58 PM)
myvi berapa? 1?
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post Feb 25 2013, 11:05 PM

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if they sell the exact same model here..i'd buy it..
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truly deserve 2nd best car in the world title

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http://www.ancap.com.au/crashtestrecord?Id=159
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Anyway is this the highest ANCAP rating given to any Proton cars?
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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 11:11 PM)
Anyway is this the highest ANCAP rating given to any Proton cars?
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Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 11:11 PM)
Anyway is this the highest ANCAP rating given to any Proton cars?
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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 11:11 PM)
Anyway is this the highest ANCAP rating given to any Proton cars?
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http://www.ancap.com.au/results

S16 i think is saga
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:13 PM)
ya lo... sweat.gif



nice preve.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(khelben @ Feb 25 2013, 10:56 PM)
Awesome, now it needs a good engine.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Feb 25 2013, 10:56 PM)
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i saw proton jumbuck 1 star , wat car is that?
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QUOTE(zhongbie @ Feb 25 2013, 11:16 PM)
i saw proton jumbuck 1 star , wat car is that?
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ancap cant really use for malaysia, be it Honda toyota or proton. they got compulsory side airbags and curtain right?
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"Airbags: Frontal+Side+Head"

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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 11:03 PM)
Well you prepare it just for the sake of exams, so of course they troll you back. /joking
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Lect tipu the class, said will come out sad.gif
I didn't sleep just to research and prepare for that long list.
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Arena now no more sold edy rite? Or still assembled for international markets? Thought the design was quite OKish back then.
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QUOTE(replymela @ Feb 25 2013, 11:18 PM)
ancap cant really use for malaysia, be it Honda toyota or proton. they got compulsory side airbags and curtain right?
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preve got side airbag in malaysia, meanwhile viox and maivee
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QUOTE(nazq @ Feb 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Arena now no more sold edy rite? Or still assembled for international markets? Thought the design was quite OKish back then.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 25 2013, 11:00 PM)
I prepared a whole long list about proton's weakness/challenges for seminar exam last sem, but alas didn't come out!  shakehead.gif
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list here n see?
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Lect tipu the class, said will come out  sad.gif
I didn't sleep just to research and prepare for that long list.
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QUOTE(replymela @ Feb 25 2013, 11:18 PM)
ancap cant really use for malaysia, be it Honda toyota or proton. they got compulsory side airbags and curtain right?
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curtain or extra airbags will not grant any car full star rating. Most of the time it is ESC. The different with Preve AU and Preve MY is whereby all variant in AU have ESC as standard. Proton do this because they do not want ANCAP pick the lowest end and not achieving the full star rating.

This was happened to Saga FLX here in Asean NCAP testing. Saga FLX lowest variant was picked, instead of the highes variant which have better safety rating. But this is not the case with Honda City whereby the highest variant was picked by Asean NCAP.
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overseas Preve is not same as local one...
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:29 PM)
overseas Preve is not same as local one...
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It is the same. The lowest end preve in malaysia probably have 4 star, it does not have ESC.

If you want 5 star car, Preve CFE.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:29 PM)
overseas Preve is not same as local one...
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in what aspect?
can elaborate more...
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 PM)
Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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better than pay RM69k but got shitty 1 airbag skeleton dugong..but still, proton basher say its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better than 5 star ancap preve, thus many bought that skeleton dugong x cukup sifat
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:33 PM)
Incoming butthurt dugong owners...
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:32 PM)
better than pay RM69k but got shitty 1 airbag skeleton dugong..but still, proton basher say its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better than 5 star ancap preve, thus many bought that skeleton dugong x cukup sifat
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None 72k car have full star rating yet. Only preve cfe.
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Do note this ancap test is done on latest methodology with the pole impact test. Some car model before 2009 might see lower rating due to the ommision of pole impact test.
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QUOTE(hikashi @ Feb 25 2013, 11:36 PM)
Do note this ancap test is done on latest methodology with the pole impact test. Some car model before 2009 might see lower rating due to the ommision of pole impact test.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:26 PM)
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lol Why they design the rear so sadding sad.gif one???

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inb4 this thing sells more than vios..

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QUOTE(aminpro @ Feb 25 2013, 11:37 PM)
lol Why they design the rear so sadding sad.gif one???

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 25 2013, 11:35 PM)
None 72k car have full star rating yet.  Only preve cfe.
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when buying la.. zzZZZzz
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:38 PM)
yalar yalar, need to soothe Malaysians ma. Scared later Msian kacau their Lynas plant.
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i guess your soothing already.
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QUOTE(aminpro @ Feb 25 2013, 11:37 PM)
lol Why they design the rear so sadding sad.gif one???

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very sadding indeed, their concept car look so nice but when put into production becam like that sad.gif
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LOL all this while most k/ bash preve like theres no tomorrow.

This thread made them eat their own shits.

I guess most Malaysian are still gullible and stupid, always believe foreign car is the best and proton will never surpass them.

Bravo Proton for making a point, but I fear for their future under DRB
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P3-22A. Better equipped than Preve CFE sedan. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:39 PM)
LOL all this while most k/ bash preve like theres no tomorrow.

This thread made them eat their own shits.

I guess most Malaysian are still gullible and stupid, always believe foreign car is the best and proton will never surpass them.

Bravo Proton for making a point, but I fear for their future under DRB
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ya bet after this Proton will jack all their car prices to RM100k-RM150k.

this type of company i know one la. Dapat nama a bit will charge like BMW. Then they will say "Eh, we already same a BMW ma. Pay BMW la."
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it's still ugly though...
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if preve come with almost same like this rear

shut up n take my money
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 PM)
Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:15 PM)
chey, but dashboard still like 80s car.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:29 PM)
overseas Preve is not same as local one...
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:38 PM)
yalar yalar, need to soothe Malaysians ma. Scared later Msian kacau their Lynas plant.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:42 PM)
ya bet after this Proton will jack all their car prices to RM100k-RM150k.

this type of company i know one la. Dapat nama a bit will charge like BMW. Then they will say "Eh, we already same a BMW ma. Pay BMW la."
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:38 PM)
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if preve come with almost same like this rear

shut up n take my money
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:44 PM)
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:42 PM)
ya bet after this Proton will jack all their car prices to RM100k-RM150k.

this type of company i know one la. Dapat nama a bit will charge like BMW. Then they will say "Eh, we already same a BMW ma. Pay BMW la."
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Cant wait to see this is happening, if not, u better change ur nick.

QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:42 PM)
it's still ugly though...
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Better than dugong
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:32 PM)
better than pay RM69k but got shitty 1 airbag skeleton dugong..but still, proton basher say its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better than 5 star ancap preve, thus many bought that skeleton dugong x cukup sifat
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Vios wont able to survive ancap, that is also one of the reason toyota never put vios in the ancap list. For those basher, pls really try Proton new model before judging, I chose Preve over Almera & Mazda2. Preve finishing is not as gd as them i must admit. But it more superior than M & N in almost all in other terms. Quality wise is way a lot improved. Proton is an potential car maker, it will be global as they doing now. Just matter of time.
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:44 PM)
i cant brain how they modified  sweat.gif
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I found two Preve which have rear like this.
of course the preve is modded though

one is black, one more is white, no drill though
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 25 2013, 11:28 PM)
curtain or extra airbags will not grant any car full star rating.  Most of the time it is ESC.  The different with Preve AU and Preve MY is whereby all variant in AU have ESC as standard.  Proton do this because they do not want ANCAP pick the lowest end and not achieving the full star rating.

This was happened to Saga FLX here in Asean NCAP testing.  Saga FLX lowest variant was picked, instead of the highes variant which have better safety rating.  But this is not the case with Honda City whereby the highest variant was picked by Asean NCAP.
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i thought e36 hartage fanboy mentioned that ESC was standard so i did not bother mentioning about it. curtain and side airbags minimise side impact, im very sure they will affect the overall rating..
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:47 PM)
I found two Preve which have rear like this.
of course the preve is modded though

one is black, one more is white, no drill though
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seriously? would mod if i found a shop to do this
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how's preve sales? i think ugly almera also beat it already laugh.gif
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Not sure how are their sales but im seeing many Preve's on the road already.
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i hope proton would keep up with this.... and dont just make preve their flagship.
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i'm just waiting for proton's next supermini

time to renew saga
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Better than dugong
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QUOTE(replymela @ Feb 25 2013, 11:49 PM)
i thought e36 hartage fanboy mentioned that ESC was standard so i did not bother mentioning about it. curtain and side airbags minimise side impact, im very sure they will affect the overall rating..
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Airbags will affect rating, but will not achieve full star rating alone with all the airbags. ESC is compulsory for full star rating.
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:05 PM)
last time all proton basher say ..ANCAP 5 star then only talk la bla bla thing (when preve just release)

now got liao

sure they will say undertable result songlap result etc etc shit

oversea preve use better steel our 1 use milo tin to cover
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look carefully..different specs .. number of airbag increased.. as always malaysian dpt inferior specs
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Airbags will affect rating, but will not achieve full star rating alone with all the airbags.  ESC is compulsory for full star rating.
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so is curtain n aideairbags
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:03 AM)
look carefully..different specs .. number of airbag increased.. as always malaysian dpt inferior specs
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are you willing to pay 80k to get australian spec proton?
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our local specs should be the same in the 1st place.. and our MIROS already rated it 5 stars kan.. lol..
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:09 AM)
our local specs should be the same in the 1st place.. and our MIROS already rated it 5 stars kan.. lol..
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get the CFE MALAYSIA VERSION and u still have 4 airbags with ESC which is the 5 star NCAP version
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Feb 26 2013, 12:13 AM)
get the CFE MALAYSIA VERSION and u still have 4 airbags with ESC which is the 5 star NCAP version
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no its not. Australian version got more airbags, ours lack 2 airbags minimum to get ANCAP 5 star

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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 PM)
Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:42 PM)
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looks ugly and not practical.
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Proton is so called kereta nasional. Of course it needs to owe the rakyat something. Furthermore it uses a lot money from Malaysia.


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lol oh really... and how did proton 1st start out eh
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IINM, i saw the black one at Putra Heights area.., and the white one in Machap R&R
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lol oh really... and how did proton 1st start out eh
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aaaiii...some people, u know them la.

i can't wait till Proton increases all their car prices to RM72k and then make all Msian including this fellow suffer.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 26 2013, 12:17 AM)
Wow, BN has really brainswashed u.

Proton is so called kereta nasional. Of course it needs to owe the rakyat something. Furthermore it uses a lot money from Malaysia.
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composing their own truth
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so before DRB took over proton wasnt a GLC company ehh

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:14 AM)
no its not. Australian version got more airbags, ours lack 2 airbags minimum to get ANCAP 5 star
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It is not the airbags get full star rating. It is the ESC. ESC is missing in malaysian non-cfe variant.

If proton smart, they will equipped esc for all variant for local market before the Asean NCAP start testing C segment car. And there is rumors spec preve is on the roll out.

DRB said that future cars will have standard spec for import and domestic.


So what missing is ESC. Other than that it is the same. No ESC car will max only get 4 star rating. As good as preve non CFE will get 4 star.
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 26 2013, 12:19 AM)
aaaiii...some people, u know them la.

i can't wait till Proton increases all their car prices to RM72k and then make all Msian including this fellow suffer.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:24 AM)
It is not the airbags get full star rating.  It is the ESC.  ESC is missing in malaysian non-cfe variant.

If proton smart, they will equipped esc for all variant for local market before the Asean NCAP start testing C segment car. And there is rumors spec preve is on the roll out.

DRB said that future cars will have standard spec for import and domestic. 
So what missing is ESC. Other than that it is the same. No ESC car will max only get 4 star rating. As good as preve non CFE will get 4 star.
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i already posted a long time ago back then... ive emailed Australian NCAP and they said the side or curtain airbag was a requirement for the 5 star rating dude.. jap mana pigi itu email.. if u rajin search back my post lol.. i in lazy mode now..

but the preve does have good ESC from Bosch

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your hatred towards barisan national has blinded you from making sane judgement
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My dear friend, I have lived here long enough to know how things work.

This news is definately the break Proton is looking for. NOw they will slowly phase out saga BLm and focus on this car. Since this car is as 'good' as BMW, they will increase it to RM85k.

Then they will tell all Msians, u want good car, u have to pay for it lor.

Of course this wont happen overnight. It may take 5 years. U mark my word la.
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I thought Preve in Australia are better than Malaysia. SO even if got 5 star in Aus =/= 5 star in MY sweat.gif
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Applicable to export version only?
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:25 AM)
i already posted a long time ago back then... ive emailed Australian NCAP and they said the side or curtain airbag was a requirement for the 5 star rating dude.. jap mana pigi itu email.. if u rajin search back my post lol.. i in lazy mode now..

but the preve does have  good ESC from Bosch
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Are you saying car without ESC can get full star rating?
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Are you saying car without ESC can get full star rating?
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nope.. i meant having those additional airbags are also required to get 5 star la.. our local preve wont get the 5 star ANCAP
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I thought Preve in Australia are better than Malaysia. SO even if got 5 star in Aus =/= 5 star in MY  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 26 2013, 12:30 AM)
My dear friend, I have lived here long enough to know how things work.

This news is definately the break Proton is looking for. NOw they will slowly phase out saga BLm and focus on this car. Since this car is as 'good' as BMW, they will increase it to RM85k.

Then they will tell all Msians, u want good car, u have to pay for it lor.

Of course this wont happen overnight. It may take 5 years. U mark my word la.
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5 years later vios will already be 100k due to mark up + inflation

u mark my word la
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:34 AM)
nope.. i meant having those additional airbags are also required to get 5 star la.. our local preve wont get the 5 star ANCAP
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Asean NCAP use the same metholody with ANCAP.

Honda City E achieve full rating score with only dual frontal airbags. The different is it have VSA/ESC.



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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:38 AM)
Asean NCAP use the same metholody with ANCAP.

Honda City E achieve full rating score with only dual frontal airbags.  The different is it have  VSA/ESC.
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i meant australian Ncap la .. not asian ncap.. and asean ncap is crap.. u need those additional airbags dude to gt 5 star in aus ncap.. not just traction control

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:39 AM)
i meant australian Ncap la .. not asian ncap.. and asean ncap is crap..
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Okay. I have nothing to argue if you thought that way.
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dude malaysian driving vs australian driving cant compare lar, malaysian drive ancap 10 also no use..  laugh.gif
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Yeah but still

Is it possible for Malaysian to buy the export version?? I don't mind eventhough more expensive laugh.gif
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Okay.  I have nothing to argue if you thought that way.
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its not a thought.. jap im tring to find back that email from australian ncap lol.. i postedit last year.. explained what was the requirement for 5 star aus ncap.. thats why i said asean ncap is crap.. honda city with 2 airbags can get 5 star..

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:42 AM)
its not a thought.. jap im tring to find back that email from australian ncap lol.. i postedit last year.. explained what was the requirement for 5 star aus ncap.. thats why i said asean ncap is crap.. honda city with 2 airbags can get 5 star..
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If you search in ANCAP site, there is car with only dual airbags get full star rating. But that was quite old. You might be right ANCAP increase the requirement to have side/curtain airbags on top of dual frontal to achieve fullstar. In this case, local Preve CFE is still a 5 star car.


And Honda City E might not be a 5 star car if ANCAP standard.

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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 26 2013, 12:30 AM)
My dear friend, I have lived here long enough to know how things work.

This news is definately the break Proton is looking for. NOw they will slowly phase out saga BLm and focus on this car. Since this car is as 'good' as BMW, they will increase it to RM85k.

Then they will tell all Msians, u want good car, u have to pay for it lor.

Of course this wont happen overnight. It may take 5 years. U mark my word la.
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this has convince me so much that i spit on imported cars. yes.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:52 AM)
If you search in ANCAP site, there is car with only dual airbags get full star rating. But that was quite old. You might be right ANCAP increase the requirement to have side/curtain airbags on top of dual frontal to achieve fullstar. In this case, local Preve CFE is still a 5 star car.
And Honda City E might not be a 5 star car if ANCAP standard.
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our local preve lacks 2 airbags to get 5 star.. thats why the aussie version tambah the additional 2..

Already emailed Au ncap again.. will clear this doubt soon.

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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 PM)
Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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ya i know....proton is national car and should build and free to you or sell you at cost price....this is C segment car bro....selling similar to price they sell oversea....
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Nissan Navara, Suzuki D-max and Ford Ranger only has 3 star ?  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 12:57 AM)
truck usually score lower....
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 12:57 AM)
truck usually score lower....
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why ? i thought their chassis is more solid...

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:55 AM)
our local preve lacks 2 airbags to get 5 star.. thats why the aussie version tambah the additional 2..

Already emailed Au ncap again.. will clear this doubt soon.
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There are few 4 airbags car achieve full star rating. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(missyou @ Feb 26 2013, 01:06 AM)
why ? i thought their chassis is more solid...
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truck scored lower because its architecture, it is build using body and chasis method because its load lugging capacity, but it has less impact absorbent capacity and chasis stiffness which is important for driving dynamics

newer SUV are built using unibody method, some of the benefits are better dynamics and safety, bus it has less load lugging capacity

most suv nowadays never muddy dirt road and mostly use for cruising on highway and to ferry people,

and if you see most of the hardcore off roader are not city friendly and its harsh ride does not appeal to most consumer
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 26 2013, 12:30 AM)
My dear friend, I have lived here long enough to know how things work.

This news is definately the break Proton is looking for. NOw they will slowly phase out saga BLm and focus on this car. Since this car is as 'good' as BMW, they will increase it to RM85k.

Then they will tell all Msians, u want good car, u have to pay for it lor.

Of course this wont happen overnight. It may take 5 years. U mark my word la.
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Saga BLM will be replaced by P2-30A GSC. Better feature and better safety. We'll pay more if it is actually good car.

There are people who actually willing to pay 80k for Preve given that the equipment is better (more airbags, bigger rims, leather seat etc). But the majority are not willing to pay for that price. Preve is actually Proton car that people want to buy it, not because they forced to buy.

This only the starting point for Proton to have more quality cars. Proton have the image of cheap cars (although it is not actually cheap due to excise tax).

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:05 PM)
last time all proton basher say ..ANCAP 5 star then only talk la bla bla thing (when preve just release)

now got liao

sure they will say undertable result songlap result etc etc shit

oversea preve use better steel our 1 use milo tin to cover
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hehehehehehehhe good luck to all mah friend that chosen vios and myvi hehehehehehehehehe
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kalau aku takde duit utk beli continental confirm aku beli preve punya, tak pon myvi sport SE 1.5
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most cars that are imported to south east asian region follows ASEAN NCAP, which is quite lenient. thus lots of safety features have been scrapped out cars such as Honda, Volkswagen and Peugeot, for reduction of cost.
If South east asia, such as Malaysia, enforces Australian NCAP or even EURO NCAP, then we will have the same cars.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 01:35 AM)
Saga  BLM will be replaced by P2-30A GSC.  Better feature and better safety.  We'll pay more if it is actually good car. 

There are people who actually willing to pay 80k for Preve given that the equipment is better (more airbags, bigger rims, leather seat etc). But the majority are not willing to pay for that price. Preve is actually Proton car that people want to buy it, not because they forced to buy.

This only the starting point for Proton to have more quality cars.  Proton have the image of cheap cars (although it is not actually cheap due to excise tax).
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no need to reason with poor ppl....prevé consider the cheapest C segment car liao besidez that forte(forte cheap coz named under national car too)...
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QUOTE(thelonely @ Feb 26 2013, 08:34 AM)
most cars that are imported to south east asian region follows ASEAN NCAP, which is quite lenient. thus lots of safety features have been scrapped out cars such as Honda, Volkswagen and Peugeot, for reduction of cost.
If South east asia, such as Malaysia, enforces Australian NCAP or even EURO NCAP, then we will have the same cars.
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Can u make make a petition to our government?
Ask everyone to sign it.
And force Msia gomen to improve our road safety.
By getting better safety features for all users
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:39 PM)
LOL all this while most k/ bash preve like theres no tomorrow.

This thread made them eat their own shits.

I guess most Malaysian are still gullible and stupid, always believe foreign car is the best and proton will never surpass them.

Bravo Proton for making a point, but I fear for their future under DRB
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 01:35 AM)
Saga  BLM will be replaced by P2-30A GSC.  Better feature and better safety.  We'll pay more if it is actually good car. 

There are people who actually willing to pay 80k for Preve given that the equipment is better (more airbags, bigger rims, leather seat etc). But the majority are not willing to pay for that price. Preve is actually Proton car that people want to buy it, not because they forced to buy.

This only the starting point for Proton to have more quality cars.  Proton have the image of cheap cars (although it is not actually cheap due to excise tax).
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this I agree...
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surely a plus point for me in considering to buy preve.... (still in survey mode to buy car under 100k)
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Koreans can get their Kia around RM50k in their local currency back in Korea but Malaysians has to pay extra just for a basic car. GOOD! YES! WAY TO GO! NEXT TIME ALL POKAI PAY CAR!
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Preve airbag cost 3 k iirc , same with Inspira

+2 airbag will increase price by 10% .

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 08:45 AM)
Can u make make a petition to our government?
Ask everyone to sign it.
And force Msia gomen to improve our road safety.
By getting better safety features for all users
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Don't waste time with petition. We as consumer have the power to make changes!
Like kadajawi said "If you stop buying crap, they will stop making it".
Do share and spread about the importance of safety features/rating of a car.

Here are some of the overpriced hot selling least-safe car at Bolehland:
1) Toyota Camry
2) Toyota Vios

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 26 2013, 03:52 AM)
They care about money, as pretty much every other car maker apart from Saab. Customers who are willing to buy terribly unsafe cars tell manufacturers, hey, it's ok, we don't care. For example: The Camry 2.4 had VSC. The 2.5 didn't. Why? Toyota made a survey and found out, their customers don't care. So Toyota removed it. Toyota manages to sell D segment cars without VSC and only 2 airbags. Competitors at similar price tags offer much more, including VSC and 6 airbags, and they hardly sell. The most popular cars are pretty unsafe cars, far behind competitors, and they often aren't even the cheapest.

Try to sell a Malaysian spec Camry in Australia. The sales figures would be hovering around 0. Toyota wouldn't dare to offer it there. Like they wouldn't offer the Avanza there, or anywhere in the western world.

If you stop buying crap, they will stop making it. Simple. When Europeans stopped buying unsafe cars, car manufacturers improved. When EuroNCAP started doing side impact tests, and people paid attention to the results, manufacturers fitted side airbags and curtain airbags, because not having those things would be bad for sales. There are no rules or regulations (in Germany at least) stating how many airbags you need, or that you need ESP. People saw the first A class topple over (was on TV all the time). Mercedes immediately reacted and fitted the car with ESP (like Proton fitted a second airbag on the Saga after disaster struck). Demonstrated it, and since it became a standard in more and more cars, because people actually want it and are willing to pay for it/not willing to pay for a car without. You can actually, right now, buy a car without ESP in Germany. Perfectly legal. It doesn't even have airbags. Not sure if there is ABS. Not many do, of course, but you could. (It's the Lada Niva btw., a mountain goat of a car. Think Range Rover, without the luxury or price tag. And smaller. Will go over anything). Dacias are traditionally offered without ESP (can't even order it I believe), and only 2 airbags, though more are optional. They are very, very cheap though, and at least get 3 stars. Some people are willing to buy them (or forced to...). But because these cars are dirt cheap. No one would buy a new car with only 2 airbags, when the rivals which are just as good have 6, at the same price. I don't they would do it even if it had a BMW badge.
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QUOTE(<Ultraman> @ Feb 26 2013, 09:25 AM)
Koreans can get their Kia around RM50k in their local currency back in Korea but Malaysians has to pay extra just for a basic car. GOOD! YES! WAY TO GO! NEXT TIME ALL POKAI PAY CAR!
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Proton quality design crap = rage. Now quality up design 5 star = rage price high. Later duty no more = u say proton hantu dont like rage.
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The video has been released.
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Fuh. Looks like he will walk out of the crash by himself
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:30 AM)


The video has been released.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:24 AM)
It is not the airbags get full star rating.  It is the ESC.  ESC is missing in malaysian non-cfe variant.

If proton smart, they will equipped esc for all variant for local market before the Asean NCAP start testing C segment car. And there is rumors spec preve is on the roll out.

DRB said that future cars will have standard spec for import and domestic. 
So what missing is ESC. Other than that it is the same. No ESC car will max only get 4 star rating. As good as preve non CFE will get 4 star.
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of course proton is smart. Malaysian market is different from Aussie or other country. safety is not much of a concern for most of their customers here. cars are overpriced here. proton's products are high in cost. how to remain competitive?
1. brandname = elek
2. performance = elek
3. quality(in cosumer's view and in reality to a certain extent) = elek
4. advance features = elek
5. low price = WIN
how to remain low in price when the cost is so damn high? reduce safety features. things that the poorer malaysians couldn't care less. they just need a ride. couldn't afford any better.

Is different in Aussie market. they won't be able to sell a single car if they skimp on those safety features. other brand cars have all those features with almost the same price.
5-star NCAP. so what? that's not the only thing people look at when buying a car. especially at the same price range/segment. it is more like a minimum requirement when the playing field is level, like over at Aussie.
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Compare it to any 70k range car in Msia.
FFS the similar priced J Vios dont even have dual airbags and people here talk about domestic Preve is not 5 stars ANCAP due to lack of curtain airbags.

Inb4 different segment cant compare.
Inb4 proton pay less tax
Inb4 airbags cost more in maintenance
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 09:42 AM)
of course proton is smart. Malaysian market is different from Aussie or other country. safety is not much of a concern for most of their customers here. cars are overpriced here. proton's products are high in cost. how to remain competitive?
1. brandname = elek
2. performance = elek
3. quality(in cosumer's view and in reality to a certain extent) = elek
4. advance features = elek
5. low price = WIN
how to remain low in price when the cost is so damn high? reduce safety features. things that the poorer malaysians couldn't care less. they just need a ride. couldn't afford any better.

Is different in Aussie market. they won't be able to sell a single car if they skimp on those safety features. other brand cars have all those features with almost the same price.
5-star NCAP. so what? that's not the only thing people look at when buying a car. especially at the same price range/segment. it is more like a minimum requirement when the playing field is level, like over at Aussie.
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You are the perfect example of typical malaysian. Safety came second. That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia. We get low spec and low safety cars. This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
You are the perfect example of typical malaysian.  Safety came second.  That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia.  We get low spec and low safety cars.  This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
You are the perfect example of typical malaysian.  Safety came second.  That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia.  We get low spec and low safety cars.  This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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you are precisely right my dear sir. I'm the typical poor Malaysian that can only afford a proton with minimum safety features.
tell me. what new car that can fit a family of 4 with 5-star NCAP can I buy for 50k and below?

safety do comes first of course. instead of relying on those expensive gadgets that I can't afford, I just have to realise that i'm driving a tin can and I have to be extra careful on the road.

of course the other manufacturers have to sell their cars at low safety specs here. they have to lower their cost while remaining profitable/competitive. thanks to the high cost of cars. thanks to our government's policy to protect a certain car manufacturer here.

now, which part of high cost do you not understand?
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QUOTE(arthur88 @ Feb 26 2013, 08:58 AM)
for safety and performance, yes...
for quality, shit, hell no...
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 10:29 AM)
you are precisely right my dear sir. I'm the typical poor Malaysian that can only afford a proton with minimum safety features.
tell me. what new car that can fit a family of 4 with 5-star NCAP can I buy for 50k and below?

safety do comes first of course. instead of relying on those expensive gadgets that I can't afford, I just have to realise that i'm driving a tin can and I have to be extra careful on the road.

of course the other manufacturers have to sell their cars at low safety specs here. they have to lower their cost while remaining profitable/competitive. thanks to the high cost of cars. thanks to our government's policy to protect a certain car manufacturer here.

now, which part of high cost do you not understand?
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You certainly have no idea how much profit non-local manufacturer had for each cars. laugh.gif
Their taxes are the same with Proton. Wake up bro. The government has been feeding you with misinformation and giving the idea that Proton is the reason other car is expensive. In fact, they are protecting their pockets across all manufacturer.

Oh, didn't i tell it before that people are forced to buy proton. You are the perfect example again. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 10:39 AM)
You certainly have no idea how much profit non-local manufacturer had for each cars.  laugh.gif
Their taxes are the same with Proton.  Wake up bro.  The government has been feeding you with misinformation and giving the idea that Proton is the reason other car is expensive.  In fact, they are protecting their pockets across all manufacturer. 

Oh, didn't i tell it before that people are forced to buy proton. You are the perfect example again.  laugh.gif
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I certainly have an idea of how profitable the non-local manufacturers are. are you implying that they are making less profit in other country? selling their cars with full specs while making less profit than what they're making in Malaysia?

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Gomen is enjoying the money u fools.
Not proton.
So many have stupid perception.
Wake up
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 11:11 AM)
I certainly have an idea of how profitable the non-local manufacturers are. are you implying that they are making less profit in other country? selling their cars with full specs while making less profit than what they're making in Malaysia?
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Yes. That is the case. You compare price in langkawi. That is without the excise and import duty. But that is still expensive based on what the car was declared at Customs


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:30 AM)


The video has been released.
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Fuuu, T fags gonna rage watching this.
Nicely done by Proton.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Feb 26 2013, 11:12 AM)
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BAHAU: Malaysia is not bankrupt but is cash rich with a record collection of RM125bil in taxes last year, Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin
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Wow tax..
Come from?
Most of the car tax obviously..


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does the malaysia version got such feature or not?
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Buy the CFE version and you will get this 5 star car.

The ausie version only have to extra side curtain airbag thats all.

I see lots of k/ pipu here are too ego to give credit when its due.

We are talking about the car safety feature and improvement made by proton then all sudenly talk about price naik la, tongkat la, malaysia got different car la. What the farking fak?

Love all the compact 3rd rate import cars all u want. Guess what? The tax is here to stay, time to live with it and accept the fact that you are living in Maalaysia, not in korea, japan or the USA u always been DREAMING about. So accept the fact that proton sell a higher spec car at a lower price compared to other makers in Malaysia.

That is a fact.

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
Buy the CFE version and you will get this 5 star car.

The ausie version only have to extra side curtain airbag thats all.

I see lots of k/ pipu here are too ego to give credit when its due.

We are talking about the car safety feature and improvement made by proton then all sudenly talk about price naik la, tongkat la, malaysia got different car.

Why not leave your biased and unrelated view for once and talk about the car.
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Well, there are some argument on local vs export.... bla bla bla....

but at least p1 can export a 5 stars rating malaysia made car. good job.


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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
Buy the CFE version and you will get this 5 star car.

The ausie version only have to extra side curtain airbag thats all.

I see lots of k/ pipu here are too ego to give credit when its due.

We are talking about the car safety feature and improvement made by proton then all sudenly talk about price naik la, tongkat la, malaysia got different car la. What the farking fak?

Love all the compact 3rd rate import cars all u want. Guess what? The tax is here to stay, time to live with it and accept the fact that you are living in Maalaysia, not in korea, japan or the USA u always been DREAMING about. So accept the fact that proton sell a higher spec car at a lower price compared to other makers in Malaysia.

That is a fact.
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i hate to say this, but the curtain airbags makes the different from 5 star to 4 star... our cfe version is 4 star...
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QUOTE(multiplexer @ Feb 26 2013, 12:00 PM)
i hate to say this, but the curtain airbags makes the different from 5 star to 4 star... our cfe version is 4 star...
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Hold that thought, read somewhere on the net they say irs the ESC that makes the difference not side curtain. So which one os true here?
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Hold that thought, read somewhere on the net they say irs the ESC that makes the difference not side curtain. So which one os true here?
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ESC is compulsory nowadays.. without ESC, the car wont go beyond 3 star. curtain is a big bonus point. with ESC and without curtain airbag, the car can only get 4 star...
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proton had planned to "harmonized" the safety features in 2 years.. meaning next 2 years, our safety equipment will be the same as what overseas bugger are getting...
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ahh it seems for 2013 AUS NCAP has updated the way the rate their tests:

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Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1.             Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2.             Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3.             Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags).  Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4.             Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5.             Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

·         electronic stability control (ESC)

·         3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

·         seat belt reminders for front seats

·         emergency brake assist (EBA)

·         3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
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P: 02 6232 0206  |  F: 02 6232 0234  |  M: 0408 296 550
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Hold that thought, read somewhere on the net they say irs the ESC that makes the difference not side curtain. So which one os true here?
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not sure which helps but after the crash test,doors can be opened easily....
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QUOTE(<Ultraman> @ Feb 26 2013, 09:25 AM)
Koreans can get their Kia around RM50k in their local currency back in Korea but Malaysians has to pay extra just for a basic car. GOOD! YES! WAY TO GO! NEXT TIME ALL POKAI PAY CAR!
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reasons :

korea government subsidized their cars,while proton being taxed too

they sell more so can sell cheap....cost is cheaper


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· head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

curtain airbags is side airbag, since preve does not have side door trimmed airbag.. that might required additional 2 airbags to the preve, making it in total 8 airbags..
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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 10:29 AM)
you are precisely right my dear sir. I'm the typical poor Malaysian that can only afford a proton with minimum safety features.
tell me. what new car that can fit a family of 4 with 5-star NCAP can I buy for 50k and below?

safety do comes first of course. instead of relying on those expensive gadgets that I can't afford, I just have to realise that i'm driving a tin can and I have to be extra careful on the road.

of course the other manufacturers have to sell their cars at low safety specs here. they have to lower their cost while remaining profitable/competitive. thanks to the high cost of cars. thanks to our government's policy to protect a certain car manufacturer here.

now, which part of high cost do you not understand?
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At 50k there is nothing, true. The Proton Saga FLX+ did almost get 4 stars ASEAN NCAP, so that's your best bet. Of course it doesn't have side airbags at all, so there is no protection. Still the best car below 50k.

At 70-80k there is the Fiesta and the Vios. One is one of the safest B segment cars in the world, the other is an outdated car where all the safety features available elsewhere were removed. Same price, and the Fiesta even has a more powerful engine, a more modern and efficient gearbox, better handling. Now which one is the best selling non national car? It should be the Fiesta, right? Very safe, very good price. Oh, wait, no, it's the Toyota! Consumers actually these days have the choice, and what do they pick? One of the least safe cars in the segment. thumbup.gif

The CFE, at it's price, is clearly the safest car in Malaysia. Now if Malaysians vote with their money, other manufacturers will improve. For Proton I think petitions are the right way. But petitions to Proton. Ask them to make the Preve with 6 airbags as an option. Call it CFE+, _ONLY_ difference shall be the extra airbags, not other nonsense that drives up the price. Better yet, make it an option you can check for any Preve. Call it the safety pack. For 2 airbag Preves you top up maybe 6k and you get 6 airbags and ESP. CFE top up 2k and you get 2 more airbags. (In Europe I usually see prices of maybe 250-500 Euro for 2 more airbags). Those that care and can afford can top up. Proton can even make some profit (please not too much) of it...

I guess the problem of no curtain airbag is that the head is not so protected in an side impact, thus it may smash into the side of the car, so readings will be not good enough for a good rating.

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their export model are diff then our local model la ....btw not euro ncap la tu ,..
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QUOTE(multiplexer @ Feb 26 2013, 12:08 PM)
ESC is compulsory nowadays.. without ESC, the car wont go beyond 3 star. curtain is a big bonus point. with ESC and without curtain airbag, the car can only get 4 star...
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I see hmm.gif but of course this is still an improvement for proton cars in malaysia.

At the very least, the chassis itself is quite strong if i may say so
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Proton is taxed the same as other ASEAN produced cars, like the Vios. That's why Proton can be much cheaper in other markets. The Preve seems to be very cheap to produce, or they hardly make any profit in Malaysia (or other manufacturers overseas vastly overprice their cars there, and the cars can all be produced very cheap).

I do think the very low price Proton can only demand in Malaysia is what keeps the quality crap. They have like RM 37k to produce a well equipped and powerful C segment car. Toyota has the same sort of money to produce an empty B segment car. Of course the quality can be higher.
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my mulut ternganga when i saw paultan page

GJ proton. im really shocked beyond belief. i rly thought this would be one more of those shit fests where they just bukak mulut only.

slow clap to proton

but still fucuk the pricing.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 26 2013, 12:18 PM)
I see hmm.gif but of course this is still an improvement for proton cars in malaysia.

At the very least, the chassis itself is quite strong if i may say so
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
Buy the CFE version and you will get this 5 star car.

The ausie version only have to extra side curtain airbag thats all.

I see lots of k/ pipu here are too ego to give credit when its due.

We are talking about the car safety feature and improvement made by proton then all sudenly talk about price naik la, tongkat la, malaysia got different car la. What the farking fak?

Love all the compact 3rd rate import cars all u want. Guess what? The tax is here to stay, time to live with it and accept the fact that you are living in Maalaysia, not in korea, japan or the USA u always been DREAMING about. So accept the fact that proton sell a higher spec car at a lower price compared to other makers in Malaysia.

That is a fact.
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U need the side curtains to get 5 star.. our local version wont get 5 star AUS NCAP.

The standard of our Asean NCAP is at a much much lower standard than EURO or AUS NCAP.


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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 PM)
Chey, Australia car better than Malaysia one.

And is this how Proton treats Msians? Pay RM72k baru can be safe? ciu.
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Meanwhile the cheapest Malaysian favourite Toyota car is the safest among all
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Feb 26 2013, 12:44 PM)
By record, Preve safety standard is better than Vios, B-segment car.
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mana ada. Vios is way the safest car in teh Malaysia. No other car can ever match that. Even Almera oso win over Preve bro.

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mana ada. Vios is way the safest car in teh Malaysia. No other car can ever match that. Even Almera oso win over Preve bro.
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QUOTE(thelonely @ Feb 26 2013, 12:57 PM)
u dare dispute the transport minister?
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Open spoiler for wat?? NO argument here. Vios is teh bestest
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i hate to say this, but the curtain airbags makes the different from 5 star to 4 star... our cfe version is 4 star...
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As i told you, there is 5 star car with dual airbags. And no. It is not 4 star if it is not tested.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 01:49 PM)
As i told you, there is 5 star car with dual airbags. And no. It is not 4 star if it is not tested.
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did u read what i posted.. even last year u need curtain airbags for 5 stars dude..

What car is 5 star with dual airbags in AUS NCAP and which year. For 2012 and above u definitely need curtain airbags for 5 stars. Its a compulsory spec.

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Some people just cant accept something buatan malaysia acheived 5 stars in a foreign country test.
When Asean NCAP, say wait for ANCAP. Now ANCAP 5 star, said conquer UK baru talk.
OK la no curtain airbag, 4.8star la can onot? How about ask bulletproof Vios go ANCAP test see how many stars?
Credit where credit is due la..

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Are the Aussie specs the same as what we have locally? This is a good news for Proton smile.gif
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QUOTE(torres09 @ Feb 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
Some people just cant accept something buatan malaysia acheived 5 stars in a foreign country test.
When Asean NCAP, say wait for ANCAP. Now ANCAP 5 star, said conquer UK baru talk.
OK la no curtain airbag, 4.8star la can onot? How about ask bulletproof Vios go ANCAP test see how many stars?
Credit where credit is due la..
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Its not the issue about credits, i was into the technical details of it. I just did mention about what was compulsory and required to achieve 5 stars in AUS NCAP that is all. And curtain airbags is a must if you were to achieve 5 stars. Kudos to the australians to get a better specs Preve than us then..
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Are the Aussie specs the same as what we have locally? This is a good news for Proton smile.gif
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No they have additional 2 airbags which are the minimum required to achieve 5 star. But im not saying our local preve is bad.

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QUOTE(hikashi @ Feb 25 2013, 10:54 PM)
The Proton Preve was introduced in Australia in 2013. This ANCAP safety rating applies to all variants. Dual frontal, side chest and side head airbags (curtains) are standard. Antilock brakes (ABS), electronic brake distribution (EBD) and electronic stability control (ESC) are also standard. Advanced seat belt reminders are fitted to both front seats.
5 Star. In the offset crash test driver chest and leg protection was acceptable. Passenger chest protection was acceptable. In the side impact crash test driver chest protection was acceptable. Performance in the side pole test was good.

http://www.ancap.com.au/crashtestrecord?Id=516

Full report PDF: http://www.ancap.com.au/pdf/516.PDF
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this is fake

ANCAP is owned by australia, which is a barisan nasional kroni.

hence, they have less credibility as compared to random k postings.


Remember. in this world, if its not expensive and do not have strong brand, it sux. Hence, since Vios, toyota is expensive, it must be safe. because you pay Rm20,000 premium for brand. so it must be safe.

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QUOTE(GaretJenna @ Feb 26 2013, 02:12 PM)
this is fake

ANCAP is owned by australia, which is a barisan nasional kroni.

hence, they have less credibility as compared to random k postings.
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5 star rating by ANCAP does not mean 5 star quality.
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Feb 26 2013, 02:21 PM)
5 star rating by ANCAP does not mean 5 star quality.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 01:58 PM)
did u read what i posted.. even last year u need curtain airbags for 5 stars dude..

What car is 5 star with dual airbags in AUS NCAP and which year. For 2012 and above u definitely need curtain airbags for 5 stars. Its a compulsory spec.
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It mentioned in the email that side airbags one of the requirement on top of dual frontal airbags. So, by that standard our preve cfe have that.
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But the trend in AU whereby 4 airbags is no longer an attractive spec since AU are very particular on safety. Most equipped 6 airbags as standard.
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Feb 26 2013, 02:21 PM)
5 star rating by ANCAP does not mean 5 star quality.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 02:28 PM)
It mentioned in the email that side airbags one of the requirement on top of dual frontal airbags.  So, by that standard our preve cfe have that.
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But the trend in AU whereby 4 airbags is no longer an attractive spec since AU are very particular on safety.  Most equipped 6 airbags as standard.
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Not just in AU, most of the world now is standardizing at 6 airbags (10 deployment points)
And NO, our local preve CFE does have side impact airbags but not curtain airbags bro. It doesnt get Aus NCAP 5 stars, thats why Proton added those additional 2. Hope that the Preve FL will also get those additional 2 airbags soon.

The required is Side airbags for head protection aka Curtain airbags as mentioned in the email
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This is the side impact airbags for our CFE.. which is not for head protection

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Asean NCAP standard is pretty low and i doubt their claims that they use the same methodology as AUS NCAP.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 02:30 PM)
Not just in AU, most of the world now is standardizing at 6 airbags (10 deployment points)
And NO, our local preve CFE does have side impact airbags but not curtain airbags bro. It doesnt get Aus NCAP 5 stars, thats why Proton added those additional 2. Hope that the Preve FL will also get those additional 2 airbags soon.

The required is Side airbags for head protection aka Curtain airbags as mentioned in the email
This is the side impact airbags for our CFE.. which is not for head protection

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 02:39 PM)
Asean NCAP standard is pretty low and i doubt their claims that they use the same methodology as AUS NCAP.
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Asean NCAP only tested front colliding. So the 5 star rating is for that impact only.
Asean NCAP is still new. They don't have much resource. But it is a good start to make people more concerned about care safety and equipment.
When people start concern about safety, there is no chance of model such as Camry can have 2 airbags and no VSC, and Almera with single airbag. Still dare to say that the chassis is strong, no need extra airbags. shakehead.gif




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QUOTE(GaretJenna @ Feb 26 2013, 02:12 PM)
this is fake

ANCAP is owned by australia, which is a barisan nasional kroni.

hence, they have less credibility as compared to random k postings.
Remember. in this world, if its not expensive and do not have strong brand, it sux. Hence, since Vios, toyota is expensive, it must be safe. because you pay Rm20,000 premium for brand. so it must be safe.
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badge can save u from everything or that T badge can help u asrob all the impact

remember proton arena in ANCAP rating

good troll here


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ohwait it got 5star from australian test center

maybe they are part of BN conspiracy as well
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The T and H badge on the front grill can already absorb the head-on impact. No need other safety features.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 02:44 PM)
Ok you win.
Asean NCAP only tested front colliding. So the 5 star rating is for that impact only.
Asean NCAP is still new.  They don't have much resource. But it is a good start to make people more concerned about care safety and equipment.
When people start concern about safety, there is no chance of model such as Camry can have 2 airbags and no VSC, and Almera with single airbag.  Still dare to say that the chassis is strong, no need extra airbags.  shakehead.gif
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Yup i do agree, the Japs are really taking advantage of the consumers here especially, there are still tons of Brand Concious ppl instead of Quality consious.

I do hope Proton can step up on their game to compete healthily.

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 26 2013, 02:48 PM)
badge can save u from everything or that T badge can help u asrob all the impact

remember proton arena in ANCAP rating

good troll here
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malaysian....anything also wanna relate to politics.... doh.gif
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 03:00 PM)
malaysian....anything also wanna relate to politics.... doh.gif
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international politics also can 1 ...if they can get NCAP 5 star ..then they will say NCAP is owned by proton 1
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hahaha. u guys so obsessed with politic. anything to do with our country around the world must be because of conspiracy and propaganda.

Hahahahah.

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QUOTE(GaretJenna @ Feb 26 2013, 02:12 PM)
this is fake

ANCAP is owned by australia, which is a barisan nasional kroni.

hence, they have less credibility as compared to random k postings.
Remember. in this world, if its not expensive and do not have strong brand, it sux. Hence, since Vios, toyota is expensive, it must be safe. because you pay Rm20,000 premium for brand. so it must be safe.
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so when do you wanna conduct your real crash test?with video ok....
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export model sure better and cheaper the local model.. safety is important in oversea market but NOT local market.. so life in Malaysia is cheaper in term of value compare to oversea
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 03:05 PM)
so when do you wanna conduct your real crash test?with video ok....
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they will say they got additional steel inside that preve

that preve is only for crash purpose ..lain semua guna plastic je

this video cannot prove that the speed is exactly same as other

the just fast forward the video and make the car look faster


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QUOTE(TamiyaOne @ Feb 26 2013, 03:13 PM)
export model sure better and cheaper the local model.. safety is important in oversea market but NOT local market.. so life in Malaysia is cheaper in term of value compare to oversea
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do you know that our local car also have tax which is similar with some foreign car? example toyota vios

someone mentioned it earlier in this thread

if they sell exactly same specs as oversea ...the price wont be same as now

thanks to tax (proton didnt earn any sen from the tax)

so they are forced to trim down certain features/safety just to make it within budget range aka cheaper

will u buy a full specs preve if it's hit 90k?

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QUOTE(hikashi @ Feb 25 2013, 10:54 PM)
The Proton Preve was introduced in Australia in 2013. This ANCAP safety rating applies to all variants. Dual frontal, side chest and side head airbags (curtains) are standard. Antilock brakes (ABS), electronic brake distribution (EBD) and electronic stability control (ESC) are also standard. Advanced seat belt reminders are fitted to both front seats.
5 Star. In the offset crash test driver chest and leg protection was acceptable. Passenger chest protection was acceptable. In the side impact crash test driver chest protection was acceptable. Performance in the side pole test was good.

http://www.ancap.com.au/crashtestrecord?Id=516

Full report PDF: http://www.ancap.com.au/pdf/516.PDF
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QUOTE(TamiyaOne @ Feb 26 2013, 03:13 PM)
export model sure better and cheaper the local model.. safety is important in oversea market but NOT local market.. so life in Malaysia is cheaper in term of value compare to oversea
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 02:07 PM)
No they have additional 2 airbags which are the minimum required to achieve 5 star. But im not saying our local preve is bad.
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i just check proton website (malaysia)

full specs premium preve which priced at 72k

already come with ESC + side airbag
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/M...s-(1).aspx#info


so that means it's no different with oversea? or still got different?
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 26 2013, 03:27 PM)
i just check proton website (malaysia)

full specs premium preve which priced at 72k

already come with ESC + side airbag
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/M...s-(1).aspx#info
so that means it's no different with oversea? or still got different?
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The Aussie have curtain airbags. So total 6 airbags. And this is standard for all variant (6 airbags + ESC).

The local spec have 4 airbags + ESC. And this is only for premium spec.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 03:30 PM)
The Aussie have curtain airbags.  So total 6 airbags.  And this is standard for all variant (6 airbags + ESC).

The local spec have 4 airbags + ESC. And this is only for premium spec.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 03:30 PM)
The Aussie have curtain airbags.  So total 6 airbags.  And this is standard for all variant (6 airbags + ESC).

The local spec have 4 airbags + ESC. And this is only for premium spec.
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I think the FL model will have 6 airbags also.. Heres hoping
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 03:30 PM)
The Aussie have curtain airbags.  So total 6 airbags.  And this is standard for all variant (6 airbags + ESC).

The local spec have 4 airbags + ESC. And this is only for premium spec.
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peviously they announced 6 airbags be4 official launching and with a chrome bar behind.....well probably too many cybertroopers especially those at paultan complain expensive and chrome bar ugly....so they remove the airbag and the price changed....becomes cheaper.....
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 26 2013, 03:27 PM)
i just check proton website (malaysia)

full specs premium preve which priced at 72k

already come with ESC + side airbag
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/M...s-(1).aspx#info
so that means it's no different with oversea? or still got different?
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ppl will buy 72K IF all the safety is there and price is ok.... anyway our car in not worth 72K... may be 40 to 60K .. gov also put big margin of tax on non local car.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 03:34 PM)
I think the FL model will have 6 airbags also.. Heres hoping
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why is airbag is expensive

use plastic bag and portable pump and a switch, sure less then RM10 per unit.

put the switch in front, if kereta langgar at the switch, the pump auto decompress the plastic bag.
even i can do this with less then Rm10. 6 airbag = RM60.

plus ESC key. this is even cheaper. one keyboard give 50++ keys. just color into ESC.

enter key can potong into 5 ESC keys also.

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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 03:39 PM)
peviously they announced 6 airbags be4 official launching and with a chrome bar behind.....well probably too many cybertroopers especially those at paultan complain expensive and chrome bar ugly....so they remove the airbag and the price changed....becomes cheaper.....
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The leaked price for that is 78k. With leather seat and reverse camera somemore.

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 03:44 PM)
The leaked price for that is 78k.  With leather seat and reverse camera somemore.
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yalo i remember that...then so much of complains....haih.....hopefully they will add it back on fl...damn those basher...
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Open spoiler for wat?? NO argument here. Vios is teh bestest
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Vios vs. Saga
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NILAI: Tiga individu termasuk pasangan suami isteri, terbunuh dalam kemalangan membabitkan dua kereta di Jalan Mantin-Beranang dekat sini, hari ini.

Dalam kejadian kira-kira jam 12.30 tengah hari itu, Toyota Vios yang dinaiki pasangan suami isteri itu bertembung dengan Proton Saga yang datang dari arah bertentangan.
Mangsa yang maut ialah penumpang belakang Toyota Vios iaitu Lim Fong Len, 74, dan isterinya, Chong Yoon Ying, 57, yang berasal dari Mantin, serta pemandu Proton Saga, Tee Chan Hen, 23, yang berasal dari Seri Kembangan, Selangor.

Ketua Polis Daerah Nilai, Superitendan Mohd Yusoff Awang, berkata Chong meninggal dunia ketika menerima rawatan di Klinik Kesihatan Mantin manakala Lim maut semasa dalam perjalanan ke Hospital Tuanku Ja'afar (HTJ), Seremban.

Katanya, pasangan suami isteri itu dan pemandu Proton Saga meninggal dunia akibat kecederaan parah di kepala dan badan.

Beliau berkata, tiga lagi mangsa dalam Toyota Vios itu, iaitu pemandu berusia 37 tahun dan isterinya, berusia 40-an serta anak saudara perempuan mereka berusia tiga tahun dilaporkan parah dan dirawat di HTJ. [Read more]
QUOTE(tonitoni @ Jan 30 2012, 09:25 AM)
i might be slow but to see this head to head collision between these might change malaysian perpective towards non local car esp. vios..

if u read the report regarding the accidents, there are 5 people in vios and 1 in saga..eventhough this two car weight is almost same sub 1000kg, five people in vios vs 1 in saga means whole vios weight about +-200kg more than saga thus more momentum carry by this vios compare to saga thus the collision force is greater on saga compare to vios since the impulse force is vice verse the momentum carried.

the more severe damage shud be expected on saga but if u see carefully the vios is not good either..Hmm we are not talking bout saga BLM here but the saga kereta kebal..isit GOA body of vios is overated..pic attached for better view..please discuss nod.gif

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Feb 26 2013, 03:53 PM)
Vios vs. Saga
Vios win? Actually, both lose! No winner here.

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you are no independent car comparer. you are BN trooper.

That picture is clearly photoshopped to make Vios appear bad, as Vios is a mass used counter to the proton by the non bumiputera.

In reality, a single Vios will ramp into a pile of 30 Proton saga at 200kmh , and the not a single scratch will appear on the car. yet every single person in the 30 proton saga will die horrible deaths. This is reality of the proton saga.

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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Feb 26 2013, 03:53 PM)
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Vios is teh best! Why u compare with tin buruk sagaaa?

Japanis japanis is the bestest pipul on earth.

must.buy.vios
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QUOTE(GaretJenna @ Feb 26 2013, 03:43 PM)
why is airbag is expensive

use plastic bag and portable pump and a switch, sure less then RM10 per unit.

put the switch in front, if kereta langgar at the switch, the pump auto decompress the plastic bag.
even i can do this with less then Rm10. 6 airbag = RM60.

plus ESC key. this is even cheaper. one keyboard give 50++ keys. just color into ESC.

enter key can potong into 5 ESC keys also.
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i got belip wrong? PREVE NCAP 5 STAR?
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QUOTE(Bubble Ring @ Feb 26 2013, 03:53 PM)
Vios vs. Saga
Vios win? Actually, both lose! No winner here.

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bro compare with same generation technology la ....
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 12:25 PM)
U need the side curtains to get 5 star.. our local version wont get 5 star AUS NCAP.

The standard of our Asean NCAP is at a much much lower standard than EURO or AUS NCAP.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 01:58 PM)
did u read what i posted.. even last year u need curtain airbags for 5 stars dude..

What car is 5 star with dual airbags in AUS NCAP and which year. For 2012 and above u definitely need curtain airbags for 5 stars. Its a compulsory spec.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 02:06 PM)
Its not the issue about credits, i was into the technical details of it. I just did mention about what was compulsory and required to achieve 5 stars in AUS NCAP that is all. And curtain airbags is a must if you were to achieve 5 stars. Kudos to the australians to get a better specs Preve than us then..
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Feb 26 2013, 02:21 PM)
5 star rating by ANCAP does not mean 5 star quality.
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So many fail basher that never do their research yet still bashing. Check here what 5 star rating is meant to be. It all about both driver and passenger occupants safety measure. Even 2 airbags car can get 5 stars if the occupants is show slightly chances of serious injury during the collision base on the injury meter on the crash test.

Curtain airbag is a must to get 5 star rating?? You fail again. Check here for safety features. ANCAP never mention curtain airbags is a must.
When it comes to safety, not all cars are equal.
Choose a vehicle with features that protect drivers and passengers and increase driver control. If it's not a 4 or 5 star rated vehicle - cross it off your list!


Please do go through all the details on the ANCAP website befor comment about the crash test rating. I am not siding anyone, i comment base on evidence and result. I am neutral. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 26 2013, 02:51 PM)
kereta tahi

ohwait it got 5star from australian test center

maybe they are part of BN conspiracy as well
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From ANCAP website.
ANCAP is supported by all Australian and New Zealand motoring clubs, the Australian Government, the New Zealand Government, Australian state and territory governments, the Victorian Transport Accident Commission, NRMA Insurance and the FIA Foundation.

QUOTE(jaymansion @ Feb 26 2013, 03:00 PM)
malaysian....anything also wanna relate to politics.... doh.gif
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 26 2013, 03:02 PM)
international politics also can 1 ...if they can get NCAP 5 star ..then they will say NCAP is owned by proton 1
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Ppl who talk harsh here is no way a neutral or clear mind person. They got influence by branding, marketing gimmics etc. Whatever result you show sure got excuses.
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QUOTE(AC_ryan94 @ Feb 26 2013, 06:31 PM)
i got belip wrong? PREVE NCAP 5 STAR?
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 09:15 PM)
So many fail basher that never do their research yet still bashing. Check here what 5 star rating is meant to be. It all about both driver and passenger occupants safety measure. Even 2 airbags car can get 5 stars if the occupants is show slightly chances of serious injury during the collision base on the injury meter on the crash test.

Curtain airbag is a must to get 5 star rating?? You fail again. Check here for safety features. ANCAP never mention curtain airbags is a must.
When it comes to safety, not all cars are equal.
Choose a vehicle with features that protect drivers and passengers and increase driver control. If it's not a 4 or 5 star rated vehicle - cross it off your list!


Please do go through all the details on the ANCAP website befor comment about the crash test rating. I am not siding anyone, i comment base on evidence and result. I am neutral. notworthy.gif
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did u even bother to check my previous post? org ancap sendiri jawab side curtain airbag is compulsory. Their website reveal so little on their rating scheme alas the reaaon i emailed them. please go through all my posting before calling someone fail.

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 09:15 PM)
So many fail basher that never do their research yet still bashing. Check here what 5 star rating is meant to be. It all about both driver and passenger occupants safety measure. Even 2 airbags car can get 5 stars if the occupants is show slightly chances of serious injury during the collision base on the injury meter on the crash test.

Curtain airbag is a must to get 5 star rating?? You fail again. Check here for safety features. ANCAP never mention curtain airbags is a must.
When it comes to safety, not all cars are equal.
Choose a vehicle with features that protect drivers and passengers and increase driver control. If it's not a 4 or 5 star rated vehicle - cross it off your list!


Please do go through all the details on the ANCAP website befor comment about the crash test rating. I am not siding anyone, i comment base on evidence and result. I am neutral. notworthy.gif
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that called active and passive safety = overall safety.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM)
that called active and passive safety = overall safety.
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he did not even bother to read the email that aus ncap sent me and came to his own conclusion n calls other fail.

kata org lain xbuat research, they i even go and personally ask aus ncap themselves on this issue

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let me help u out swk_sam

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Dear Name censored tongue.gif,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1.             Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2.             Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3.             Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags).  Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4.             Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5.             Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

·         electronic stability control (ESC)

·         3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

·         seat belt reminders for front seats

·         emergency brake assist (EBA)

·         3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
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PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206  |  F: 02 6232 0234  |  M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au
. so who fails again?

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM)
did u even bother to check my previous post? org ancap sendiri jawab side curtain airbag is compulsory. Their website reveal so little on their rating scheme alas the reaaon i emailed them. please go through all my posting before calling someone fail.
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Maybe you are right for the updated requirement but I still didn't see any "curtain airbags" in your post. So u think i simply say ppl fail? Judge yourself. I would believe what is on the website rather than the unknown source via email etc as it can be easily modified.

Dear Name censored ,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1. Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points. Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2. Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points. Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3. Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags). Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4. Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5. Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

· electronic stability control (ESC)

· 3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

· head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

· seat belt reminders for front seats

· emergency brake assist (EBA)

· 3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
Communications Manager

Australasian New Car Assessment Program
(ANCAP Australasia Ltd)
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206 | F: 02 6232 0234 | M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au


Word highlighted in red. Is this what u mean curtain airbag? To my understanding its front seat airbag which can protect head. Isn't it?

Can the front seat airbag protect head as picture of Local spec Preve airbags system below?
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So, judge yourself.

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required is head protecting side airbag which is curtain airbag. side impact airbag is not curtain headbag. dont be lazy and read back all my previous post. i already explained everything.


and i already posted the exact same picture earlier lah.. side impact airbags are for the side n shoulders. nampak sgt u dont even read this thread thoroughly and u panggil others xbuat research? why dont u email NCAP urself

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:15 PM)
required is head protecting side airbag which is curtain airbag. side impact airbag is not curtain headbag. dont be lazy and read back all my previous post. i already explained everything.
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Holy...... couldn't u read it is the head protection airbags for front seat not rear seat? Curtain airbags is from the pillar right? It protect front and rear right? Haiz, nvm no point keep arguing in this topic. Just let it be. As i said earlier, i still believe what is in ANCAP website rather than any source out of website. No right or wrong here cause we are not the expert. wink.gif

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:22 PM)
Holy...... couldn't u read it is airbags that protect front seat not rear seat? Curtain airbags is from the pillar right? It protect front and rear right? Haiz, nvm no point keep arguing in this topic. Just let it be. As i said earlier, i still believe what is in ANCAP website rather than any source out of website. No right or wrong here cause we are not the expert.  wink.gif
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read properly.. head protecting airbags for front seat. its curtain for front seat. side impact airbags does not protect the head. nowadays xurtain airbags ada 3 deployement points for each side.. straight to the back. the required for 5 star is just for front seat but the added curtain till back is a bonus. u kan pandai research .


My SOURCE is from the people of AuSNCAP themselves. u pergi email sendiri la susah sgt oi.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:27 PM)
read properly.. head protecting airbags for front seat. its curtain for front seat. side impact airbags does not protect the head. nowadays xurtain airbags ada 3 deployement points for each side.. straight to the back.  the required for 5 star is just for front seat but the added curtain till back is a bonus. u kan pandai research .
My SOURCE is from the people of AuSNCAP themselves. u pergi email sendiri la susah sgt oi.
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U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM)
I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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How come my 1 yr old myvi power window adi got problem?
Lol.
All local car sux.

But see ur luck also.
Lemon means lemon
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:46 PM)
on the phone right now.. wait till i get back
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Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anything about this anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:51 PM)
How come my 1 yr old myvi power window adi got problem?
Lol.
All local car sux.

But see ur luck also.
Lemon means lemon
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Mana ada still usable after years.

Myvi engine at least Toyota not protong. Protong engine i no trust.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:53 PM)
Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:54 PM)
Mana ada still usable after years.

Myvi engine at least Toyota not protong. Protong engine i no trust.
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side airbag =/= curtain airbag
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 11:05 PM)
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side airbag =/= curtain airbag
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:12 PM)
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not really depend on the airbag design, some torso airbag a.k.a side airbag extend towards the head to protect the head itself

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better ask proton for the side airbag design
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM)
I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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Liar... Must be Perodua salesman this guy. No Proton salesman crazy or stupid enough to tell people don't buy a good product they are selling. Go enjoy your watered down, tongkang-handling, zero star Myvi... There are missing parts in Myvi taken out to reduce cost compared to sister car in Japan. A Perodua engineer told me this...

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 11:14 PM)
not really depend on the airbag design, some torso airbag a.k.a side airbag extend towards the head to protect the head itself

user posted image

better ask proton for the side airbag design
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Malaysia spec is known as side airbags, not torso. I would say it can protect head on collision as in the picture but in a cheaper way. Damn... Malaysian's life is like rubbish. Because of our g.v. rclxub.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Feb 26 2013, 11:19 PM)
Liar... Must be Perodua salesman this guy. No Proton salesman crazy or stupid enough to tell people don't buy a good product they are selling. Go enjoy your watered down Myvi... There are missing parts in Myvi taken out to reduce cost compared to sister car in Japan. A Perodua engineer told me this...
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hahha, that salesman is a good salesman, me myself is a proton supporters would also say that few month ago,

i just hope they have fixed the micro-crack on the VVT unit
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One thing i notice in the Preve crash test. The passenger airbag crack the windscreen. lol Damn again cause need to change the windscreen also if the passenger airbag deployed rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Feb 27 2013, 12:19 AM)
Liar... Must be Perodua salesman this guy. No Proton salesman crazy or stupid enough to tell people don't buy a good product they are selling. Go enjoy your watered down Myvi... There are missing parts in Myvi taken out to reduce cost compared to sister car in Japan. A Perodua engineer told me this...
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I dont think he is lying lah. He told us to buy the 1.6 without turbo version instead. Turbo 1 many problems.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:20 PM)
Malaysia spec is known as side airbags, not torso. I would say it can protect head on collision as in the picture but in a cheaper way. Damn... Malaysian's life is like rubbish. Because of our g.v.  rclxub.gif  doh.gif

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i guess we would need another entity to regulate safety for cars in malaysia, guess miros, mot, or any other big guy up there don't really care about verhicle safety
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:20 PM)
Malaysia spec is known as side airbags, not torso. I would say it can protect head on collision as in the picture but in a cheaper way. Damn... Malaysian's life is like rubbish. Because of our g.v.  rclxub.gif  doh.gif

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I thought u like to do research one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag
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Side torso airbag
Side-impact airbags or side torso airbags (side thorax/abdomen airbags) are a category of airbag usually located in the seat, and inflate between the seat occupant and the door. These airbags are designed to reduce the risk of injury to the pelvic and lower abdomen regions. Some vehicles are now being equipped with different types of designs, to help reduce injury and ejection from the vehicle in rollover crashes. More recent side airbag designs include a two chamber system; a firmer lower chamber for the pelvic region and softer upper chamber for the ribcage.
The Swedish company Autoliv AB, was granted a patent on side impact airbags, and they were first offered as an option in 1994 on the 1995 model year Volvo 850, and as standard equipment on all Volvo cars made after 1995.
Some cars, such as the 2010 Volkswagen Polo Mk.5 have combined head and torso side airbags. These are fitted in the backrest of the front seats, and protect the head as well as the torso.

If side airbags can protect the head, theres no need for a curtain airbag such as the case in the preve. Thats why the AUS model they fitted curtain airbags because it cant protect the head.

I saw the side airbags of the preve at Last years Proton Power of One Event at Bukit Jalil.



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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 11:25 PM)
I dont think he is lying lah. He told us to buy the 1.6 without turbo version instead. Turbo 1 many problems.
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Two of my friends been using Preve CFE with no problems encountered so far... One crazy dude driving at 200 kph and took his hands off steering wheel just to show how stable it is. What you mentioned only affect certain production batch, the earlier ones... Anyway, its a good car and I plan to trade in my Toyota to buy this Preve.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:53 PM)
Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anything about this anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw
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Bro this is from 2007 man. We are talking 2013 as in the email. And even 2 years back when I initially emailed AUSNCAP, curtain Airbags are already compulsory. Why dont u google Side airbags and what it is function . And why is your post so full of hatred man, u got to cool down, this is an internet forum for god sake, whats with the name calling and everything, and u call others bashers? WTF i dont get this.

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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 11:25 PM)
I dont think he is lying lah. He told us to buy the 1.6 without turbo version instead. Turbo 1 many problems.
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The CFE OWV and OCV issue has been recalled and resolved. No more issues for newer batch. The CFE engine has matured and stable.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 11:35 PM)
The CFE OWV and OCV issue has been recalled and resolved.  No more issues for newer batch. The CFE engine has matured and stable.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 11:35 PM)
The CFE OWV and OCV issue has been recalled and resolved.  No more issues for newer batch. The CFE engine has matured and stable.
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what is the production rate of this engine ar? 10k per mth?
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Ada pon gamba.. This is Preve's Side airbag for local spec. So swk_man can tell me boley protect head or not? Or u have anything more to say to me? Or what does your full research tell u?

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/index.php/201...fours-progress/

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what is the production rate of this engine ar? 10k per mth?
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I don't know. Last time when Preve was launch, it was less than 3k i think. Can't find any information on this.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 11:29 PM)
I thought u like to do research one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag

If side airbags can protect the head, theres no need for a curtain airbag
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Come on, we are talking about the 5 stars rating requirement. The video i post is the prove that is it side air bag can protect head or not and can it able gain 5 stars rating w/o curtiain airbags. Like i mention in the last post, side airbag is the cheaper way but at least still can protect our head to reduce injury. Torso airbags is to protect body and will come with curtain airbags in package. Airbag curtain can achieve higher rating for sure. If the curtain airbags is compulsory for 5 stars ANCAP rating, then this convertible car wont able to achieve it because there were no place to install the curtain airbags. Wikipedia is more on the airbag type and purpose, and nothing related to ANCAP requirement. I am just sharing something. Hope you are clear what i mean until now.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 PM)
Come on, we are talking about the 5 stars rating requirement. The video i post is the prove that is it side air bag can protect head or not and can it able gain 5 stars rating w/o curtiain airbags. Like i mention in the last post, side airbag is the cheaper way but at least still can protect our head to reduce injury. Torso airbags is to protect body and will come with curtain airbags in package. Airbag curtain can achieve higher rating for sure. If the curtain airbags is compulsory for 5 stars ANCAP rating, then this convertible car wont able to achieve it because there were no place to install the curtain airbags. Wikipedia is more on the airbag type and purpose, and nothing related to ANCAP requirement. I am just sharing something. Hope you are clear what i mean until now.
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Read my latest post can tell me Preve's airbag can protect head or not?|
Meh i help u out summore,

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This is an example of sideairbags with minimal head protection.

And no, its not me who said that for 2012 2013 it is COMPULSORY to have Head protection airbags, its the staff at AUSNCAP.

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 PM)
I don't know.  Last time when Preve was launch, it was less than 3k i think.  Can't find any information on this.
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if they can make more, maybe the cost will go down..
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 11:40 PM)
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Ada pon gamba.. This is Preve's Side airbag for local spec. So swk_man can tell me boley protect head or not? Or u have anything more to say to me? Or what does your full research tell u?

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/index.php/201...fours-progress/
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this picture the airbag is out of air. I comment from the picture in proton website. I might be wrong on local spec. We not yet really see the image when the side airbag deploy. Lets wait for the video on side impact for local preve to prove local spec sucks. This is the only way we can see how the side airbag deploy

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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 11:25 PM)
I dont think he is lying lah. He told us to buy the 1.6 without turbo version instead. Turbo 1 many problems.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:46 PM)
this picture the airbag is out of air. I comment from the picture in proton website. I might be wrong on local spec. We not yet really see the image when the side airbag deploy. Lets wait for the video on side impact for local preve to prove local spec sucks. This is the only way we can see how the side airbag deploy
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OMG.. that is during the Proton power of One Displaying a fully deployed airbag for demonstration purposes.It is FROM PROTON. Now nak panggil idiot would be me down to your level plak. So i restrain myself from doing that.

This is the picture of the Side airbag deployed. haih... if the side airbag can protect the head, u cant fit in the curtain airbags lah.

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Vios vs. Saga
Vios win? Actually, both lose! No winner here.

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Guy, this dude really made my day.

Kena troll hours long rclxms.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=58546262

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why are we fighting about the stuff that we do not have information about,

ask proton about their side airbag than perhaps we could continue with a healthier discussion

most of the discussion here is based on ass-umption
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 11:47 PM)
OMG.. that is during the Proton power of One Displaying a fully deployed airbag for demonstration purposes la. Now nak panggil idiot would be me down to your level plak. So i restrain myself from doing that. Real life picture VS gamba promotional animation proton?
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This only can prove local spec Preve side airbags unable to protect our head, but nth to prove it yet. This also didn't prove that 5 stars rating requirement need curtain airbags to achieve right?
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Feb 26 2013, 11:49 PM)
Guy, this dude really made my day.

Kena troll hours long rclxms.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=58546262
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lol u evil dude... their sarcasm meter rosak or what?
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 11:50 PM)
why are we fighting about the stuff that we do not have information about,

ask proton about their side airbag than perhaps we could continue with a healthier discussion

most of the discussion here is based on ass-umption
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Actually starting is not about local preve side airbags, it the curtain airbags is compulsory to attain 5 stars rating in ANCAP posted by FrostLance. The convertible car in the video that using side airbags i post can attain 5 star ANCAP rating car prove the words i said.

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:50 PM)
This only can prove local spec Preve side airbags unable to protect our head, but nth to prove it yet. This also didn't prove that 5 stars rating requirement need curtain airbags to achieve right?
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Oh my God..

Ok my arguement was Local preve couldnt get the 5 StarAUSNCAP because it doesnt have curtain airbags.

Why? Because to get 5 star u need Head protection airbag mechanism.

Our local preve dont have. But Australian preve do have.

That was my point all along. I wasnt bashing or anything.. Haih.. then u came and call me basher.

I admit im a critic, i critic all brand, especially Honda and Toyota for unable to compete with the koreans , Ford, and other brands recently, even before the preve came out, i was really excited about the car, i defended it against bashers as well. U really need to differentiate fanboy bashers and real critics dude. I gave all the facts here even emailed AUSNCAP for god sake, it wasnt critics withouts facts, but sometimes i do troll, i like to troll ruffstuff the most lol.. he also likes to troll proton bashers.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:53 PM)
Actually starting is not about local preve side airbags, it the curtain airbags is compulsory to attain 5 stars rating in ANCAP posted by FrostLance. The convertible car in the video that using side airbags i post can attain 5 star ANCAP rating car prove the words i said.
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Bro the video is from 2007 dude, give a car starting from 2012 that doesnt have curtain or head protecting airbags that can achieve 5 stars. In the email clearly stated that they increased their standards every year and for 2013, Head protecting airbags is a must.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 11:55 PM)
Oh my God..

Ok my arguement was Local preve couldnt get the 5 StarAUSNCAP because it doesnt have curtain airbags.

Why? Because to get 5 star u need Head protection airbag mechanism.

Our local preve dont have. But Australian preve do have.

That was my point all along. I wasnt bashing or anything.. Haih.. then u came and call me basher.

I admit im a critic, i critic all brand, especially Honda and Toyota for unable to compete with the koreans , Ford, and other brands recently, even before the preve came out, i was really excited about the car, i defended it against bashers as well. U really need to differentiate fanboy bashers and real critics dude. I gave all the facts here even emailed AUSNCAP for god sake, it wasnt critics withouts facts, but sometimes i do troll, i like to troll ruffstuff the most lol.. he also likes to troll proton bashers.
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doh.gif Did your email mention local Preve? Did I mention local Preve? rclxub.gif My arguing is that u said curtain airbags is compulsory in ANCAP..... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:57 PM)
doh.gif  Did your email mention local Preve? Did I mention local Preve?  rclxub.gif  My arguing is that u said curtain airbags is compulsory in ANCAP.....  sweat.gif
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And your point was Curtain airbags or head protection is not compulsory yes? you even call me a fail basher who did not do research for that no?

And in the email did it mention that for 2013 it is compulsory to have head protection airbags no? And i gave proof that local preeve's airbags does not protect the head. U came and commented on my posts without reading fully my previous post dude. So chill out. Its ppl like me that make critics that can make Brands such as proton make an improvement. If all puji2 like no tomorrow sampai bile xde nak detect impairment or to compete with others. Im not bashing on a baseless reason la. Then u can call them Proton Haters/Bashers. U cant argue with them, u can troll them back. This is the internet , dont take things so seriously.

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And your point was Curtain airbags or head protection is not compulsory yes? you even call me a basher who did not do research for that no?
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ok, 1 question, that video yes is 2007, but did the seat airbags able to protect the driver's head? As simple as that as what written in your so email. Dont ask me local Preve can or not cos we dunno the real structure of side airbags is it the same as in the video. My intention as simple as that.
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 12:03 AM)
ok, 1 question, that video yes is 2007, but did the seat airbags able to protect the driver's head? As simple as that as what written in your so email. Dont ask me local Preve can or not cos we dunno the real structure of side airbags is it the same as in the video. My intention as simple as that.
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I already did my research on that, apparently our local preves dont have side airbags that can protect the head. All the technology was already demonstrated earlier last year at Proton POwer of one. Even the Bosch ESC and all the technical details are there. The only thing they didnt show is the exterior looks. I do hope Proton will put Curtain airbags on future FL Preve so we get the same standards as the australians.

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I already did my research on that, apparently our local preves dont have side airbags that can protect the head. All the technology was already demonstrated earlier last year at Proton POwer of one. Even the Bosch ESC and all the technical details are there. The only thing they didnt show is the exterior looks. I do hope Proton will put Curtain airbags on future FL Preve so we get the same standards as the australians.
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From the demo pic u post, it cant protect our head that i must agree. But we not yet see the inflated shape on collision. It might or it might not. Until there were a video can show how the airbag inflate. Agree on curtain airbags to proton cars in the future too icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 12:11 AM)
From the demo pic u post, it cant protect our head that i must agree. But we not yet see the inflated shape on collision. It might or it might not. Until there were a video can show how the airbag inflate. Agree on curtain airbags to proton cars in the future too icon_rolleyes.gif
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That is the airbag fully deployed. Its for your shoulders and torso. If you see our local preve mmg ada plastic covering on the A B C pillars tempat letak curtain airbags IINM.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 27 2013, 12:15 AM)
That is the airbag fully deployed. Its for your shoulders and torso. If you see our local preve mmg ada plastic covering on the A B C pillars tempat letak curtain airbags IINM.
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I doubt it is not in that position. The airbags will be higher in position during deploy. You look at the front dual airbag compare to the crash test video, the airbag is way more higher than that when deploy. The passenger airbag even crack the windscreen in the video if you notice lol. Just sharing some point.

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QUOTE(man_hakim87 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:47 PM)
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 12:20 AM)
I doubt it is not in that position. The airbags will be higher in position during deploy. You look at the front dual airbag compare to the crash test video, the airbag is way more higher than that when deploy. The passenger airbag even crack the windscreen in the video if you notice lol. Just sharing some point.
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Side airairbags that protects the head is bigger in size la bro. Adoi...

How can it be higher, you seriously have no knowledge at all about airbags. The deployement point is from the seat and the size is small.
haih berkali kali tulis xreti reti and paham paham jugak.

Already posted a picture of a fully inflated deployement of airbag also still cannot accept facts. The technical aspect was already revealed even before the launch pf preve man. Thats why australian version they pit curtain airbags. adoi laaaa..

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Side airairbags that protects the head is bigger in size la bro. Adoi...

How can it be higher, you seriously have no knowledge at all about airbags. The deployement point is from the seat and the size is small.
haih berkali kali tulis xreti reti and paham paham jugak.

Already posted a picture of a fully inflated deployement of airbag also still cannot accept facts. The technical aspect was already revealed even before the launch pf preve man. Thats why australian version they pit curtain airbags. adoi laaaa..
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What the hell, sound like you are pro about airbag? Pls show prove. I don't have prove. The picture is not fully inflate airbag. It's just the bag with less air inside. Do you understand what is fully inflated? You tak paham atau I? I think your understand in English got problem. First, the head protection thingy then u add curtain airbag yourself. Then now inflated. Fully inflated is mengembung, bentuk maxima airbag apabila mengembung. Pls Don't act like a pro. We are all learning here.

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your dad can get ford discount ar?  brows.gif
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6 point airbag.
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and wayy alot more..
do some research before arguing..

andddd i still dont know what you guys arguing about.

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1 Front airbag, driver
2 Front airbag, front passenger
3 Head airbag
4 Side airbag
5 Knee airbags

Our current local spec do not have head airbag yet tho even for high line.
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5 STAR???! WHAT THE FUCUK

maybe they forgot to put 'L' in front
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As i told you, there is 5 star car with dual airbags. And no. It is not 4 star if it is not tested.
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is it 2012 and above ancap test? mind to show us a few? because the test is improving year by year.. 2008 4 star car most probably not a 4 star should it be tested using the latest test benchmark..
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vios is the bestestt 50 stars car i have known, true story... source from L-ANCAP
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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 07:34 AM)
What the hell, sound like you are pro about airbag? Pls show prove. I don't have prove. The picture is not fully inflate airbag. It's just the bag with less air inside. Do you understand what is fully inflated? You tak paham atau I? I think your understand in English got problem. First, the head protection thingy then u add curtain airbag yourself. Then now inflated. Fully inflated is mengembung, bentuk maxima airbag apabila mengembung. Pls Don't act like a pro. We are all learning here.
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Sudah la i malas nak argue anymore lol.. useless.. u dont even need a fully deflated airbags.. just look at the shape pon dah tahu..
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

If it was higher then the would not protect the shoulders and torso. A side airbags which protects the head as well is significantly larger

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 27 2013, 01:15 PM)
U ni bodoh ke ape.. ada pergi proton power of 1 n see the tech show or not. When they show Airbag display, it is fully deployed la . Puas duk bagi tahu,. U pandai amik resource dari internet only, ppl went out to see the real thing and explanation from proton's tech/ engineers themselves la bodoh. And no protons preve side airbag version does not protect the head thus there are places for curtain airbags deployement points in the preve.
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and how i wish this was the look of the preve

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Tak habih habih lagi ngan sampah preve ni.................
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Your car 5 star?
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Kereta aku 5 star ke 2 star ke, aper aper star ker, kereta aku tak problematic macam potong nie. Aku pakai dah 7 tahun, masih solid dan awesome tanpa problem.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Feb 27 2013, 02:41 PM)
Kereta aku 5 star ke 2 star ke, aper aper star ker, kereta aku tak problematic macam potong nie. Aku pakai dah 7 tahun, masih solid dan awesome tanpa problem.
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Typical malaysian who don't care about safety. Congrats. smile.gif
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Typical malaysian who don't care about safety.  Congrats.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 27 2013, 02:43 PM)
Typical malaysian who don't care about safety.  Congrats.  smile.gif
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it's because of fags like him, that's why our country isn't improving.
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post Feb 28 2013, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Feb 27 2013, 02:41 PM)
Kereta aku 5 star ke 2 star ke, aper aper star ker, kereta aku tak problematic macam potong nie. Aku pakai dah 7 tahun, masih solid dan awesome tanpa problem.
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kete apa bro? nak tau jgk.. mungkin member2 kt sini boleh try kete tu
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post Feb 28 2013, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(coyouth @ Feb 27 2013, 10:51 PM)
it's because of fags like him, that's why our country isn't improving.
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A fag who drives nothing talkin shit about someone who at least have a car..............

QUOTE(saifulh85 @ Feb 28 2013, 12:14 PM)
kete apa bro? nak tau jgk.. mungkin member2 kt sini boleh try kete tu
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post Feb 28 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Feb 28 2013, 12:42 PM)
A fag who drives nothing talkin shit about someone who at least have a car..............
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ooo... ok

sekurang2 nya proton cuba improve kete diorang.. nak kata sampah tu agak kasar la.. dulu mmg banyak masalah.. skrg pun ada tp tak seteruk zmn waja, gen2 dulu

happy motoring smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2013, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(saifulh85 @ Feb 28 2013, 04:09 PM)
ooo... ok

sekurang2 nya proton cuba improve kete diorang.. nak kata sampah tu agak kasar la.. dulu mmg banyak masalah.. skrg pun ada tp tak seteruk zmn waja, gen2 dulu

happy motoring  smile.gif
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Hopefully its for a long time smile.gif
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post Mar 1 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Mar 1 2013, 10:05 AM)
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selagi belum dpt euro ncap, dorg tak puas ati....

oh wait, i think even got euro ncap, they will demand for NASA ncap.... thumbup.gif whistling.gif
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post Mar 1 2013, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 27 2013, 02:43 PM)
Typical malaysian who don't care about safety.  Congrats.  smile.gif
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This is a fact. I mean, look at Saga, Iswara, Wira's sales wei. Those people who bought those really don't give a fucuk bout safety doh.gif
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post Mar 1 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Mar 1 2013, 02:14 PM)
This is a fact. I mean, look at Saga, Iswara, Wira's sales wei. Those people who bought those really don't give a fucuk bout safety doh.gif
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or they don't have enough money and those are the cars they could afford albeit at the risk of their own lives?
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post Mar 1 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Mar 1 2013, 02:26 PM)
or they don't have enough money and those are the cars they could afford albeit at the risk of their own lives?
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post Mar 1 2013, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Mar 1 2013, 02:14 PM)
This is a fact. I mean, look at Saga, Iswara, Wira's sales wei. Those people who bought those really don't give a fucuk bout safety doh.gif
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get myvi, safety enough...

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