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post Feb 26 2013, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Feb 25 2013, 11:05 PM)
last time all proton basher say ..ANCAP 5 star then only talk la bla bla thing (when preve just release)

now got liao

sure they will say undertable result songlap result etc etc shit

oversea preve use better steel our 1 use milo tin to cover
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look carefully..different specs .. number of airbag increased.. as always malaysian dpt inferior specs
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:01 AM)
Airbags will affect rating, but will not achieve full star rating alone with all the airbags.  ESC is compulsory for full star rating.
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so is curtain n aideairbags
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 12:07 AM)
are you willing to pay 80k to get australian spec proton?
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our local specs should be the same in the 1st place.. and our MIROS already rated it 5 stars kan.. lol..
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Manlet @ Feb 26 2013, 12:13 AM)
get the CFE MALAYSIA VERSION and u still have 4 airbags with ESC which is the 5 star NCAP version
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no its not. Australian version got more airbags, ours lack 2 airbags minimum to get ANCAP 5 star

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(seba @ Feb 26 2013, 12:15 AM)
proton owe u nothing to begin with
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lol oh really... and how did proton 1st start out eh
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(seba @ Feb 26 2013, 12:20 AM)
people believe want they want to believe

composing their own truth
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so before DRB took over proton wasnt a GLC company ehh

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:24 AM)
It is not the airbags get full star rating.  It is the ESC.  ESC is missing in malaysian non-cfe variant.

If proton smart, they will equipped esc for all variant for local market before the Asean NCAP start testing C segment car. And there is rumors spec preve is on the roll out.

DRB said that future cars will have standard spec for import and domestic. 
So what missing is ESC. Other than that it is the same. No ESC car will max only get 4 star rating. As good as preve non CFE will get 4 star.
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i already posted a long time ago back then... ive emailed Australian NCAP and they said the side or curtain airbag was a requirement for the 5 star rating dude.. jap mana pigi itu email.. if u rajin search back my post lol.. i in lazy mode now..

but the preve does have good ESC from Bosch

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:33 AM)
Are you saying car without ESC can get full star rating?
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nope.. i meant having those additional airbags are also required to get 5 star la.. our local preve wont get the 5 star ANCAP
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post Feb 26 2013, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:38 AM)
Asean NCAP use the same metholody with ANCAP.

Honda City E achieve full rating score with only dual frontal airbags.  The different is it have  VSA/ESC.
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i meant australian Ncap la .. not asian ncap.. and asean ncap is crap.. u need those additional airbags dude to gt 5 star in aus ncap.. not just traction control

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:40 AM)
Okay.  I have nothing to argue if you thought that way.
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its not a thought.. jap im tring to find back that email from australian ncap lol.. i postedit last year.. explained what was the requirement for 5 star aus ncap.. thats why i said asean ncap is crap.. honda city with 2 airbags can get 5 star..

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:48 AM

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nevermind susah sgt i remailed them again at ancap@ancap.com.au


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post Feb 26 2013, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:52 AM)
If you search in ANCAP site, there is car with only dual airbags get full star rating. But that was quite old. You might be right ANCAP increase the requirement to have side/curtain airbags on top of dual frontal to achieve fullstar. In this case, local Preve CFE is still a 5 star car.
And Honda City E might not be a 5 star car if ANCAP standard.
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our local preve lacks 2 airbags to get 5 star.. thats why the aussie version tambah the additional 2..

Already emailed Au ncap again.. will clear this doubt soon.

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post Feb 26 2013, 12:11 PM

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ahh it seems for 2013 AUS NCAP has updated the way the rate their tests:

Note ruffstuff

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Dear Name censored tongue.gif,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1.             Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2.             Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3.             Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags).  Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4.             Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5.             Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

·         electronic stability control (ESC)

·         3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

·         seat belt reminders for front seats

·         emergency brake assist (EBA)

·         3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
Communications Manager

Australasian New Car Assessment Program
(ANCAP Australasia Ltd)
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206  |  F: 02 6232 0234  |  M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au




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post Feb 26 2013, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
Buy the CFE version and you will get this 5 star car.

The ausie version only have to extra side curtain airbag thats all.

I see lots of k/ pipu here are too ego to give credit when its due.

We are talking about the car safety feature and improvement made by proton then all sudenly talk about price naik la, tongkat la, malaysia got different car la. What the farking fak?

Love all the compact 3rd rate import cars all u want. Guess what? The tax is here to stay, time to live with it and accept the fact that you are living in Maalaysia, not in korea, japan or the USA u always been DREAMING about. So accept the fact that proton sell a higher spec car at a lower price compared to other makers in Malaysia.

That is a fact.
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U need the side curtains to get 5 star.. our local version wont get 5 star AUS NCAP.

The standard of our Asean NCAP is at a much much lower standard than EURO or AUS NCAP.


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post Feb 26 2013, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 01:49 PM)
As i told you, there is 5 star car with dual airbags. And no. It is not 4 star if it is not tested.
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did u read what i posted.. even last year u need curtain airbags for 5 stars dude..

What car is 5 star with dual airbags in AUS NCAP and which year. For 2012 and above u definitely need curtain airbags for 5 stars. Its a compulsory spec.

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post Feb 26 2013, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(torres09 @ Feb 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
Some people just cant accept something buatan malaysia acheived 5 stars in a foreign country test.
When Asean NCAP, say wait for ANCAP. Now ANCAP 5 star, said conquer UK baru talk.
OK la no curtain airbag, 4.8star la can onot? How about ask bulletproof Vios go ANCAP test see how many stars?
Credit where credit is due la..
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Its not the issue about credits, i was into the technical details of it. I just did mention about what was compulsory and required to achieve 5 stars in AUS NCAP that is all. And curtain airbags is a must if you were to achieve 5 stars. Kudos to the australians to get a better specs Preve than us then..
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post Feb 26 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(SweetPuff @ Feb 26 2013, 02:05 PM)
Are the Aussie specs the same as what we have locally? This is a good news for Proton smile.gif
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No they have additional 2 airbags which are the minimum required to achieve 5 star. But im not saying our local preve is bad.

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post Feb 26 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 02:28 PM)
It mentioned in the email that side airbags one of the requirement on top of dual frontal airbags.  So, by that standard our preve cfe have that.
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But the trend in AU whereby 4 airbags is no longer an attractive spec since AU are very particular on safety.  Most equipped 6 airbags as standard.
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Not just in AU, most of the world now is standardizing at 6 airbags (10 deployment points)
And NO, our local preve CFE does have side impact airbags but not curtain airbags bro. It doesnt get Aus NCAP 5 stars, thats why Proton added those additional 2. Hope that the Preve FL will also get those additional 2 airbags soon.

The required is Side airbags for head protection aka Curtain airbags as mentioned in the email
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·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats



This is the side impact airbags for our CFE.. which is not for head protection

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post Feb 26 2013, 02:39 PM

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Asean NCAP standard is pretty low and i doubt their claims that they use the same methodology as AUS NCAP.
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post Feb 26 2013, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 02:44 PM)
Ok you win.
Asean NCAP only tested front colliding. So the 5 star rating is for that impact only.
Asean NCAP is still new.  They don't have much resource. But it is a good start to make people more concerned about care safety and equipment.
When people start concern about safety, there is no chance of model such as Camry can have 2 airbags and no VSC, and Almera with single airbag.  Still dare to say that the chassis is strong, no need extra airbags.  shakehead.gif
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Yup i do agree, the Japs are really taking advantage of the consumers here especially, there are still tons of Brand Concious ppl instead of Quality consious.

I do hope Proton can step up on their game to compete healthily.


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