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FrostLance
post Feb 26 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM)
that called active and passive safety = overall safety.
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he did not even bother to read the email that aus ncap sent me and came to his own conclusion n calls other fail.

kata org lain xbuat research, they i even go and personally ask aus ncap themselves on this issue

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FrostLance
post Feb 26 2013, 10:05 PM

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let me help u out swk_sam

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Dear Name censored tongue.gif,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1.             Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2.             Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3.             Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags).  Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4.             Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5.             Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

·         electronic stability control (ESC)

·         3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

·         seat belt reminders for front seats

·         emergency brake assist (EBA)

·         3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
Communications Manager

Australasian New Car Assessment Program
(ANCAP Australasia Ltd)
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206  |  F: 02 6232 0234  |  M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au
. so who fails again?

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swk_sam
post Feb 26 2013, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM)
did u even bother to check my previous post? org ancap sendiri jawab side curtain airbag is compulsory. Their website reveal so little on their rating scheme alas the reaaon i emailed them. please go through all my posting before calling someone fail.
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Maybe you are right for the updated requirement but I still didn't see any "curtain airbags" in your post. So u think i simply say ppl fail? Judge yourself. I would believe what is on the website rather than the unknown source via email etc as it can be easily modified.

Dear Name censored ,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1. Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points. Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2. Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points. Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3. Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags). Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4. Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5. Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

· electronic stability control (ESC)

· 3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

· head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

· seat belt reminders for front seats

· emergency brake assist (EBA)

· 3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
Communications Manager

Australasian New Car Assessment Program
(ANCAP Australasia Ltd)
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206 | F: 02 6232 0234 | M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au


Word highlighted in red. Is this what u mean curtain airbag? To my understanding its front seat airbag which can protect head. Isn't it?

Can the front seat airbag protect head as picture of Local spec Preve airbags system below?
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So, judge yourself.

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FrostLance
post Feb 26 2013, 10:15 PM

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required is head protecting side airbag which is curtain airbag. side impact airbag is not curtain headbag. dont be lazy and read back all my previous post. i already explained everything.


and i already posted the exact same picture earlier lah.. side impact airbags are for the side n shoulders. nampak sgt u dont even read this thread thoroughly and u panggil others xbuat research? why dont u email NCAP urself

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:15 PM)
required is head protecting side airbag which is curtain airbag. side impact airbag is not curtain headbag. dont be lazy and read back all my previous post. i already explained everything.
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Holy...... couldn't u read it is the head protection airbags for front seat not rear seat? Curtain airbags is from the pillar right? It protect front and rear right? Haiz, nvm no point keep arguing in this topic. Just let it be. As i said earlier, i still believe what is in ANCAP website rather than any source out of website. No right or wrong here cause we are not the expert. wink.gif

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:22 PM)
Holy...... couldn't u read it is airbags that protect front seat not rear seat? Curtain airbags is from the pillar right? It protect front and rear right? Haiz, nvm no point keep arguing in this topic. Just let it be. As i said earlier, i still believe what is in ANCAP website rather than any source out of website. No right or wrong here cause we are not the expert.  wink.gif
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read properly.. head protecting airbags for front seat. its curtain for front seat. side impact airbags does not protect the head. nowadays xurtain airbags ada 3 deployement points for each side.. straight to the back. the required for 5 star is just for front seat but the added curtain till back is a bonus. u kan pandai research .


My SOURCE is from the people of AuSNCAP themselves. u pergi email sendiri la susah sgt oi.

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:27 PM)
read properly.. head protecting airbags for front seat. its curtain for front seat. side impact airbags does not protect the head. nowadays xurtain airbags ada 3 deployement points for each side.. straight to the back.  the required for 5 star is just for front seat but the added curtain till back is a bonus. u kan pandai research .
My SOURCE is from the people of AuSNCAP themselves. u pergi email sendiri la susah sgt oi.
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U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM

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I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM)
I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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How come my 1 yr old myvi power window adi got problem?
Lol.
All local car sux.

But see ur luck also.
Lemon means lemon
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Feb 26 2013, 10:46 PM)
on the phone right now.. wait till i get back
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Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anything about this anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 11:51 PM)
How come my 1 yr old myvi power window adi got problem?
Lol.
All local car sux.

But see ur luck also.
Lemon means lemon
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Mana ada still usable after years.

Myvi engine at least Toyota not protong. Protong engine i no trust.
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:53 PM)
Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:54 PM)
Mana ada still usable after years.

Myvi engine at least Toyota not protong. Protong engine i no trust.
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:05 PM

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side airbag =/= curtain airbag
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 11:05 PM)
user posted image

side airbag =/= curtain airbag
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:12 PM)
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not really depend on the airbag design, some torso airbag a.k.a side airbag extend towards the head to protect the head itself

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better ask proton for the side airbag design
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:56 PM)

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:15 PM

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM)
I rmb few months back proton salesman told my dad personally that proton preve turbo version lots of problem dont buy. I rather drive Myvi. Never trust proton ever since wira. Invest million million billion billion on research what they did in the end? Songlap la.
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Liar... Must be Perodua salesman this guy. No Proton salesman crazy or stupid enough to tell people don't buy a good product they are selling. Go enjoy your watered down, tongkang-handling, zero star Myvi... There are missing parts in Myvi taken out to reduce cost compared to sister car in Japan. A Perodua engineer told me this...

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 26 2013, 11:14 PM)
not really depend on the airbag design, some torso airbag a.k.a side airbag extend towards the head to protect the head itself

user posted image

better ask proton for the side airbag design
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Malaysia spec is known as side airbags, not torso. I would say it can protect head on collision as in the picture but in a cheaper way. Damn... Malaysian's life is like rubbish. Because of our g.v. rclxub.gif doh.gif

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