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 Nokia Lumia 720, Same huge battery as Lumia 920!

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trapezohedron13
post Sep 4 2013, 05:12 PM

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Thanks Fhaarkas! Your second pic is really like my cam problem!

Ahh, so it's DOF problem. Your pic snapping skills are great! Mine like tahi ayam... haha. If it's normal, then i can rest my mind. Will probably test kaw kaw with various shots over the week for further study and also compare with Lumia 520's lens.

Now about the front camera, don't mind to see if your image flickers, especially in indoor with artificial lightning conditions? For outdoors it performs flawlessly, only indoor it's poor. Plus the purple hue... sedihnya tengok
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post Sep 4 2013, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(trapezohedron13 @ Sep 4 2013, 03:53 PM)
kakakaka. ya wei it happens.

jandroid, what do you think of my camera image? is it normal? Need to know for sure that the actual performance of Lumia 720 camera should be better. Otherwise the technician might just say, "oh memang ini macam punya, takde problem..." then crap lor
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the first pix with the purple look like filem hantu...
take pix of technician's face when u talking to him n make your case. If he looks like some horror movie pix too, I guess he will have to admit phone cam problem rather then his face problem.

non-drama version: take pix of white a4 paper on the spot n show him. laugh.gif

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post Sep 4 2013, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(trapezohedron13 @ Sep 4 2013, 05:12 PM)
Thanks Fhaarkas! Your second pic is really like my cam problem!

Ahh, so it's DOF problem. Your pic snapping skills are great! Mine like tahi ayam... haha. If it's normal, then i can rest my mind. Will probably test kaw kaw with various shots over the week for further study and also compare with Lumia 520's lens.

Now about the front camera, don't mind to see if your image flickers, especially in indoor with artificial lightning conditions? For outdoors it performs flawlessly, only indoor it's poor. Plus the purple hue... sedihnya tengok
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Yeah I think mine also behaves like that, though I almost never use the front cam so I wouldn't know if that's faulty behaviour or not lol. I'm guessing the front cam just sucks.
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post Sep 4 2013, 08:32 PM

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Oh well. So should i bring it to nokia care center? Backing up my stuffs now... heh. The rear camera blurry edges really spoil my day. Otherwise it's a perfect phone...
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post Sep 4 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(trapezohedron13 @ Sep 4 2013, 08:32 PM)
Oh well. So should i bring it to nokia care center? Backing up my stuffs now... heh. The rear camera blurry edges really spoil my day. Otherwise it's a perfect phone...
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If you can't get a second opinion from somebody whose phone isn't faulty than I say go ahead. As for DOF problem, using 4:3 AR somewhat alleviates it (because FOV is not as wide).

The RM6.50 option would be to use ProShot. Not sure if it makes any difference but I seriously have never noticed this problem until now. Not as bad at least. E.g. in the sunset shot above it's hard to tell if there's any blurring, even at full resolution.
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Like this shot - you can only notice the blurring at corners and barely at the edges (this is a bad case). The way it is in your pictures it's affecting more like 25% of each side, leaving only 50% usable shot at the middle; as if zoom-blurred in Photoshop.

If you photograph a lot, I recommend giving it a shot and judge for yourself. Not sure if there's a trial though.

@L520 - the problem is probably less prominent, seeing that it uses F2.4 lens. Same case with other models which mostly use F2.2-F2.4 lenses.
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post Sep 4 2013, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Sep 4 2013, 09:30 PM)
If you can't get a second opinion from somebody whose phone isn't faulty than I say go ahead. As for DOF problem, using 4:3 AR somewhat alleviates it (because FOV is not as wide).

The RM6.50 option would be to use ProShot. Not sure if it makes any difference but I seriously have never noticed this problem until now. Not as bad at least. E.g. in the sunset shot above it's hard to tell if there's any blurring, even at full resolution.
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Like this shot - you can only notice the blurring at corners and barely at the edges (this is a bad case). The way it is in your pictures it's affecting more like 25% of each side, leaving only 50% usable shot at the middle; as if zoom-blurred in Photoshop.

If you photograph a lot, I recommend giving it a shot and judge for yourself. Not sure if there's a trial though.

@L520 - the problem is probably less prominent, seeing that it uses F2.4 lens. Same case with other models which mostly use F2.2-F2.4 lenses.
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I tried ProShot, good thing there's trial version - cannot save picture but i can review the recent picture that i take. Still the same blurring. Seems like your shots also have the blurring, though it is significantly better than mine.

Here's a comparison shot between 720 and 520: no points guessing which one is 720 and which is 520... tongue.gif

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Now, i just hope the technicians will accept the reasoning and not tell me that lumia 720 is like that wan. hmm.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(trapezohedron13 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:05 PM)
I tried ProShot, good thing there's trial version - cannot save picture but i can review the recent picture that i take. Still the same blurring. Seems like your shots also have the blurring, though it is significantly better than mine.

Here's a comparison shot between 720 and 520: no points guessing which one is 720 and which is 520... tongue.gif

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Now, i just hope the technicians will accept the reasoning and not tell me that lumia 720 is like that wan.  hmm.gif
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All Lumias suffer from this blurring actually, even L1020. sweat.gif Though like I said, it's probably worse on L720 because of the F1.9 lens it uses. But then I'm not an expert on this stuff so yeah.

But the CA in yours is pretty bad (look at the trunk at the top left, it shouldn't be that bad that far into the pic). Maybe you wanna install HD Photo Viewer app to zoom in to 100% when showing the problem to Nokia.
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post Sep 5 2013, 07:03 AM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Sep 4 2013, 10:26 PM)
All Lumias suffer from this blurring actually, even L1020. sweat.gif Though like I said, it's probably worse on L720 because of the F1.9 lens it uses. But then I'm not an expert on this stuff so yeah.

But the CA in yours is pretty bad (look at the trunk at the top left, it shouldn't be that bad that far into the pic). Maybe you wanna install HD Photo Viewer app to zoom in to 100% when showing the problem to Nokia.
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Yeah i can accept a certain amount of blurring, but this is a bit too much. Ok will do about the hd viewer.

Btw in case anyone's wondering, the first pic is from 720 and second pic is 520. I tried viewing the pics in various devices, eg mobile phone, tablet and pc. The most obvious (and worst) is viewing it in pc.

Wonder how those sample pic of 720 camera in the net are shot.....hardly any blurring visible. hmm.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 02:55 PM

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Sent to repair. Customer service agree that images are blurry at the edges and front camera flickering. Let's see how the repair goes!
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post Sep 6 2013, 03:00 AM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Sep 4 2013, 03:13 PM)
I don't use the default cam and these are taken with ProShot, but I think it's safe to say that your camera is borked.
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My unit is actually corrupt as well, but it's just the common crash/reboot/hardlock/SD card problem and in rare occasions the display goes all stripey or the camera goes green. Haven't got around to taking it to Nokia Care yet.
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way bro mind share how u take the first 2 shots? What settings u used. Really amazing shots there.
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post Sep 6 2013, 07:41 AM

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Just wanna share how Lumia 720 performed last night smile.gifAttached Image
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post Sep 6 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(zuhaidizain @ Sep 6 2013, 07:41 AM)
Just wanna share how Lumia 720 performed last night smile.gifAttached Image
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Philharmonic petronas! Lumia 720 is amazing for night shots, no doubt about that.
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post Sep 6 2013, 06:44 PM

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hiya mates,since current topic/discussion seems to on photos/camera. just curious asking for everyones opinion. is it worth it to buy proshot on our lumia based on it hardware(camera) limitations/capabilities??
gatal want to buy,but not sure will help on pic quality/shots due to my sucky picture taking skills tongue.gif
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post Sep 6 2013, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(gxthelord @ Sep 6 2013, 03:00 AM)
way bro mind share how u take the first 2 shots? What settings u used. Really amazing shots there.
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Thanks. notworthy.gif Not sure if my exif is public. Still trying to get a hang on Flickr lol.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84764600@N03/9668087085/meta/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84764600@N03/9668093997/meta/

As mentioned, I use ProShot since the stock app is severely lacking in options and it looks like they want you to use lenses unlike how it was in WP7.

Using ISO 100 helps with keeping details as much possible since at higher values Nokia's algorithm tend to over-compensate and sharpness/details are lost, even if you can remove the noise in post-process. Obviously this is not always feasible, especially when dealing with low-light and moving objects. If you have one of those Gorilla tripod, it'll help a lot with taking night landscape since max shutter in ProShot is 4 sec. I don't have one, so I often have to settle with higher ISO.

I usually play around with Saturation and Contrast to get the mood I'm looking for. As for macro shots like the grass one, I use manual focus - usually at 5-10%. Nice bokeh. thumbup.gif I tend to under-expose my shots too, especially sunset/rise shots. Like the one above, I set the EV to -2 to keep highlight clipping as low as possible. For normal use, it usually hovers around -0.3 to -1. Hope that helps.

Lastly I'm just an amateur with no technical background unlike some of the gurus here so if you're looking for pro tips, you're probably better off asking them haha. sweat.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(smudge @ Sep 6 2013, 06:44 PM)
hiya mates,since current topic/discussion seems to on photos/camera. just curious asking for everyones opinion. is it worth it to buy proshot on our lumia based on it hardware(camera) limitations/capabilities??
gatal want to buy,but not sure will help on pic quality/shots due to my sucky picture taking skillsĀ  tongue.gif
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Currently I think there's a way to install Pro Cam on 512MB devices but you'll need Amber/GDR2 update for it to work. I have no experience with Pro Cam yet but from what I can see it's probably very similar in function with ProShot so you may want to hold your breath before spending any money on ProShot. ProShot does have some niceties though, like full-res timelapse function, real-time histogram, real-time level and grids but IMO they're just extras.

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post Sep 6 2013, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Sep 6 2013, 08:06 PM)
Thanks. notworthy.gif Not sure if my exif is public. Still trying to get a hang on Flickr lol.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84764600@N03/9668087085/meta/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84764600@N03/9668093997/meta/

As mentioned, I use ProShot since the stock app is severely lacking in options and it looks like they want you to use lenses unlike how it was in WP7.

Using ISO 100 helps with keeping details as much possible since at higher values Nokia's algorithm tend to over-compensate and sharpness/details are lost, even if you can remove the noise in post-process. Obviously this is not always feasible, especially when dealing with low-light and moving objects. If you have one of those Gorilla tripod, it'll help a lot with taking night landscape since max shutter in ProShot is 4 sec. I don't have one, so I often have to settle with higher ISO.

I usually play around with Saturation and Contrast to get the mood I'm looking for. As for macro shots like the grass one, I use manual focus - usually at 5-10%. Nice bokeh.  thumbup.gif I tend to under-expose my shots too, especially sunset/rise shots. Like the one above, I set the EV to -2 to keep highlight clipping as low as possible. For normal use, it usually hovers around -0.3 to -1. Hope that helps.

Lastly I'm just an amateur with no technical background unlike some of the gurus here so if you're looking for pro tips, you're probably better off asking them haha.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
Currently I think there's a way to install Pro Cam on 512MB devices but you'll need Amber/GDR2 update for it to work. I have no experience with Pro Cam yet but from what I can see it's probably very similar in function with ProShot so you may want to hold your breath before spending any money on ProShot. ProShot does have some niceties though, like full-res timelapse function, real-time histogram, real-time level and grids but IMO they're just extras.
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nice biggrin.gif haha I also new usually using stock camera nia always thinking how to thinker with ISO and other settings cuz the stock camera as u mentioned lack alot of settings. doh.gif
At least a guideline how to take macro shots now. U bought the app eh?? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 6 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(gxthelord @ Sep 6 2013, 09:07 PM)
nice biggrin.gif haha I also new usually using stock camera nia always thinking how to thinker with ISO and other settings cuz the stock camera as u mentioned lack alot of settings. doh.gif
At least a guideline how to take macro shots now. U bought the app eh?? biggrin.gif
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Yeah I think I bought without actually trying lol but that was long ago. The UI is kinda clunky but the dev is very active, always updating his app with new features and fixes. If you're not fussy with RM6+ then I say just go ahead and buy it. Be warned though if you're planning to install Pro Cam then a lot of ProShot functions are redundant.

If you wanna play around with manual focus, Camera360 has it too but I'm not sure if it takes full res pictures. I don't use it since it's got a lot of baggage like filters and library that I don't need.
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went to nokia to buy lumia 720

picture by nokia pro cam, lumia 920.
resized using app.. Shit quality
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QUOTE(thesun @ Sep 6 2013, 11:52 PM)
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went to nokia to buy lumia 720

picture by nokia pro cam, lumia 920.
resized using app.. Shit quality
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so u have 920 and 720 now? Ok what at least can see the price tag xD How much u bought? Sadding me~ i bought at 949 next month the same shop where I bought droped to 899 i think doh.gif
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Sep 6 2013, 11:42 PM)
Yeah I think I bought without actually trying lol but that was long ago. The UI is kinda clunky but the dev is very active, always updating his app with new features and fixes. If you're not fussy with RM6+ then I say just go ahead and buy it. Be warned though if you're planning to install Pro Cam then a lot of ProShot functions are redundant.

If you wanna play around with manual focus, Camera360 has it too but I'm not sure if it takes full res pictures. I don't use it since it's got a lot of baggage like filters and library that I don't need.
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use before 360 but not much option too. ProShot and ProCam diff? o_O why u say if intall Pro Cam ProShot redundant? I dun mind spending on quality app ^^
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Anyway our L720 really can capture good low light settings. If last time I try capture pictures like below only show one dot. Upon zoom can see the clouds and shape shadowing the moon.
Sorry about the noise, using all defaults settings.
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