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post Mar 2 2022, 01:32 PM

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6.1 and 6.15 are not the same. The Edge says 6.15, the "screenshot out of nowhere" shows 6.10.
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post Mar 2 2022, 01:46 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220302/efp%e6%...7%bb2%e7%bc%b4/
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post Mar 2 2022, 01:51 PM

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Confirmed 6.1%.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220302/epf%e5%...af%e7%8e%876-1/
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post Mar 2 2022, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 2 2022, 01:56 PM)
So is theedge or sin chew right?  laugh.gif
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Should be Sincew, they showed photographs of the scene of EPF Financial presentation for year 2021.

At least now we know those who shared screenshots of the presentation, either they are reporters from the scene or are "true insiders". Next year tag them to ask for dividend rates. brows.gif
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post Mar 2 2022, 02:07 PM

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The Edge has corrected to 6.10%

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/epf-...repandemic-2019
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post Mar 2 2022, 06:38 PM

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https://www.kwsp.gov.my/-/epf-posts-stronge...members-savings

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/epf-...-20-years-rm58b

First net withdrawal in 20 years.

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post Mar 2 2022, 07:44 PM

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How to count your EPF dividend (in Mandarin):

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220302/%e7%8b%...a4%9a%e5%b0%91/

Expert thinks this is a candy pre-election lol

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post Mar 3 2022, 09:45 PM

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Here's a "simple" EPF dividend calculator (an Excel spreedsheet, need to unzip folder) I have created to check if what EPF's mentioned on their official FAQ is true here:

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/dividend#FrequentlyAskedQuestion

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Have fun counting money! tongue.gif

Attached File  EPF_Dividend_Calculator__True_for_2021_div_calculation_.zip ( 8.65k ) Number of downloads: 59

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post Mar 14 2022, 04:53 PM

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If not for the withdrawals last year, 2021 dividend rate would have been 6.7%.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220314/%e4%b8%...b4%be%e6%81%af/
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post Mar 16 2022, 10:43 AM

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Not sure where to post this, but since EPF has substantial stakes in MGS/GII, good to know.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220316/%e8%b4%...88%b0%e6%9c%9f/

At the end of this year, 43.4% of debt will come due in 5 years, 25.4% due in 6 to 10 years, 31.2% due after 10 years. "Weighted average" is 8.7 years.
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post Jun 14 2022, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 14 2022, 11:12 AM)
What is "What happened to Q1 2022 EPF report?"?
Unknown to your "what"...
If My wild guess to that what is why not yet publish yet?..... Then my wild guess answers is most probably will be announced in Sept 2022

Last year Q1 report and its release date
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/ms/web/guest/w/kwsp...un-pertama-2021
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That was 1H 2021, not 1Q 2021. tongue.gif

1Q 2021 result was published on 8th of June last year. https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/web/guest/w/epf-...ome-for-q1-2021
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post Jun 21 2022, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 14 2022, 01:27 PM)
It's already 14th June, where is Q1 report?
Bad report?
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Q1 report is out. (Still not published on EPF official website, it seems.)

Sinchew: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220621/epf%e9%...%a5%e6%b8%9b18/

The edge (Mandarin): https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/%E5%...B31585%E4%BA%BF

The edge: https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/epf-...-equity-decline

Overseas assets reaching 37% of overall investment assets.

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post Aug 5 2022, 11:12 PM

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It looks like another 1MDB, according to C4. This time EPF is involved...

https://c4center.org/wp-content/uploads/PFI-Report.pdf
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post Sep 18 2022, 10:28 AM

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Anyone realize this topic is starting to digress from "EPF dividends"? tongue.gif
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post Sep 30 2022, 12:03 PM

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The Sulu heirs are at it again... This time in Netherlands

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post Oct 6 2022, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(plc255 @ Oct 6 2022, 11:44 AM)
What if EPF were to lose 21.5% Jan ~ Sept 2022, how /what do you think the gov / EPF would do with the 2.5% floor dividend?

Would EPF be flooded with withdrawal?? I think quite possible...

HK MPF have around trillion HKD asset, just like EPF have around trillion MYR asset. So imagine EPF loses MYR258.9 billion..
I think HK MPF is more like Msia PRS along with a list of funds but with mandatory contribution... but then again I dunno the details.. anyone in the know feel free to comment?
Hong Kong residents’ nest eggs shrink by HK$56,500 each as Mandatory Provident Fund posts record HK$258.9 billion nine-month loss

Source: SCMP - 6 Oct 2022

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BTW, 1.69 HKD to 1 MYR today according to Google.
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Bro, MPF is not the same as EPF... They follow different systems. HK follows a free-market mentality. It's fund managers and big corporations who say everything here. MPF members choose their "preferred" fund managers to manage their retirement nest egg. The government is like a lame duck who just follows what the big banks say. MPF is just a backbone supporting system that liaises between fund managers and MPF members, they do not handle investment matters at all.

EPF is government-backed and they have their own internal management team, sometimes they outsource part of the investment job to external fund managers.

MPF funds are like mutual funds, NAV goes up and down depending on market performance in real-time (at least on a daily basis), so they are "very accurate" and mark-to-market. EPF however, declares dividends from realized income only and all unrealized loses are not accounted for in the dividends paid to EPF members. Consider that many of EPF investments are purchased at low levels years back and stock dividends/bonds yields typically have yields easily above 2.5% p.a., it's not a high hurdle rate to satisfy.
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post Oct 7 2022, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 7 2022, 04:35 PM)
wow...

now increase to 100k yo rclxms.gif

EPF coffers must be low whistling.gif
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1st negative net contribution in 20 years. Not surprising.
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post Oct 7 2022, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 7 2022, 05:42 PM)
Trying to add / increase $$$ from those cash rich....
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Too many people changing to SGD and USD. Help prevent MYR outflow laugh.gif


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post Oct 8 2022, 10:32 PM

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Official news statement from EPF: https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/web/guest/w/epf-...h-2022-and-2023
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post Oct 18 2022, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 18 2022, 06:40 PM)
actually, ringgit falling also makes EPF oversea dollar investments to become higher in ringgit term --> more dividend baaaa
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Dividends can only be paid if the investment profits are realized. Otherwise everything is on paper.

QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 18 2022, 06:47 PM)
yep..

which makes me think, with Singapore appreciating dollar, won't their Temasek investment also shrinks in SGD value term?
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Good point. SG accounts for 1/4 to 1/3 of total portfolio only. The rest are from various locations over the world.

But take note of one thing. Half of their portfolio are unlisted private equities/debts/credits. (Source: https://www.temasek.com.sg/en/our-investmen...olio#liquidity). When these assets are realized by IPO or strategic acquisition by corporate/financial players, the returns far exceed the typical S$NEER slope of 2% p.a.

To illustrate: For listed equities, if a counter pays 2% p.a. dividend yield today, Temasek probably had purchased it at 20% of current price since it invested prior to IPO at early VC stages of pre-seed, seeding, Series A, B, C etc. At 20% of current market price, from Temasek's point of view the dividend yield is no longer 2% but 10% p.a..

Shave 2% p.a. SGD appreciation of 10% and you still end up getting 8% p.a. current income.

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