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post Mar 4 2023, 01:24 PM

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post Mar 4 2023, 01:27 PM

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post Mar 4 2023, 01:32 PM

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Will continue half an hour later.

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post Mar 4 2023, 01:42 PM

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Official announcement: https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/web/guest/w/epf-...members-savings
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post Mar 9 2023, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 9 2023, 03:04 PM)
Yes. Super.
Much better pay.
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post Mar 10 2023, 04:34 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20230310/%e7%8b%...81%af%e5%90%83/
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post Apr 17 2023, 12:15 PM

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EPF turns to MoF to cover potential defaulted Account 2 loans?

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KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF) has turned to the Ministry of Finance (MoF) directly after a government guarantee scheme provider rejects the plan to cover defaulted loans under the EPF Account 2 Support Facility programme, sources said.

According to the sources, a proposal was made that Syarikat Jaminan Pembiayaan Perniagaan Bhd (SJPP) be roped in to provide the necessary fund for the matter but was turned down by the Finance Minister Incorporated (MoF Inc)-owned firm.

"A due diligence was carried out by SJPP for the matter including reviewing the terms and conditions of personal financing under MBSB Bank, which, at the time, was the only participating bank offering the facility."But the proposal did not materialise.

"This is especially because SJPP does not cater for personal financing. Its claim fund would not be able to accommodate additional non-performing loans (NPLs)," a source told NST Business.


Sinchew reports: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20230417/epf%e7%...bf%9d%ef%bc%9f/

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post Apr 17 2023, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 17 2023, 01:21 PM)
"A due diligence was carried out by SJPP for the matter including reviewing the terms and conditions of personal financing under MBSB Bank, which, at the time, was the only participating bank offering the facility."But the proposal did not materialise.

Old news? MBSB Bank is the only bank ??

15 April BSN already accept new application. Today already 17 April. 2 day pass already still report MBSB the only bank... doh.gif
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Just a typo from the editors. They mean "at that time" instead of "at the time".

The sinchew article corrects that.

At that time, MBSB was probably the first and only participating bank, then BSN joins in later. Anyway, these stuffs would be behind closed curtains. The public won't know the exact details.
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post Aug 18 2023, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Aug 18 2023, 02:05 PM)
Anybody received the i-saraan gov incentives yet?
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It's usually paid in September. Here're the dates for the past 3 years.

2020: 24/09/2020
2021: 08/09/2021
2022: 19/09/2022
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post Aug 18 2023, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Aug 18 2023, 03:09 PM)
the RM300 will be paid by Gov or using EPF earned money to pay?
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Government, which borrows money from EPF via issuance of MGS and GII.

(So, in theory, you pay yourself... laugh.gif at least partially...)
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post Oct 1 2023, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Minion Kombat @ Oct 1 2023, 09:40 AM)
Finish September already- anyone received the I-saraan government incentive?
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No one, including me...

Government is really short of money. Time to move money to SG lol
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post Dec 19 2023, 10:20 PM

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Ahyo I open at age 18 just tell counter "tolong mak buat kerja rumah ada dapat elaun" already can open. laugh.gif

Nothing new lah, at our age can get double digit EPF returns... syiok

Government borrow money from us to pay us back laugh.gif
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post Dec 20 2023, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 20 2023, 10:00 AM)
The issues is on i-saraan....
Would those below 18yo qualified???
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Yes, "tolong mak buat kerja rumah" considered "self-employed" laugh.gif

At least that was my case back then in 2019.
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post Dec 20 2023, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2023, 01:33 PM)
15% isaraan rebates spread over 40years is ~0.375%/year using simple maths. After 41years at age 55, what will happen to MYR? 43years ago 1.02MYR=1.00SGD.
Personally i wont do it for my kid.
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You may have oversimplified things a bit. 15% is given every year (until it's abolished by the government), so it's not spread over 40 years.

Since opening my EPF account in 2019, my IRR for EPF, in MYR terms, is about 10% p.a. (inclusive of both EPF dividend + i-saraan incentive).

Of course if the incentive is removed, the IRR will converge towards EPF dividend rates, but in absolute terms, you are still better off than if you had not started contributing to i-saraan early in your life. Compounding interests really helps, especially if done at the early phase of your life.*

*Sigh... tell this to the young people who go for skydiving and travel all too often...

It's not a lot of money after all, 2000 MYR a year...

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post Dec 20 2023, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2023, 02:51 PM)
ROI looks high for the 1st few years cos of the one time 15% (15%+5.2+6.1+5.0)/3=10.43%, but u cant realise it n withdraw, have to keep it there for 40years.
I was initially tempted but after calculation it is not for me. Anyway my kid not likely to work here.
U have to treat each deposit of rm3333/year separately cos we want to see the effect on this 3333 not next 9 years' deposits (they r treated separately).
In 2024 u deposit 3333 n get 500, assuming 3333+500=3833 starts from January n epf dividend is 6%, your EOY balance with div for 2024 will be 4063.
Every year for the next 39 years assuming u r getting 6% compounding will get u a final amount of 41790 equivalent to ROI of 6.15%, 0.15% more than the 6% only.
Bare in mind the money is stuck there for 40 years. As a comparison MYR has depreciated against SGD at >3%/year.

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Oh, I am assuming every year there is 500 MYR coming in. You look at one year 500 MYR only and deduce the ROI from there. Fair enough, I don't know when will the 500 MYR candy stops flowing. And 2k MYR is not a lot in SGD terms... that is 567 SGD only... for some exposure to MYR is ok lah laugh.gif

As for SGD thing... MAS NEER is sloping upwards at 3% p.a. as recent as a few months back, so yea that explains the strong SGD/MYR rate you see recently. Historically, it varies from flat to 1.5 or 2% p.a. Now that NEER is trading near the upper band, any hint of a reduction in slope rate may cause SGD to depreciate slightly in the near term.

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post Dec 20 2023, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2023, 05:04 PM)
Each person 10x 500.
Put in 3334 each year to get 500.
U have to calculate the ROI based on each 3334 deposited cos it contributes the 500.
1.03^43=3.56, in 1980 MYR=SGD.
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I got around 6.6% p.a. You can have a look and see if there are any problems.

Attached File  Lowyat_EPF_MGM_Calculation.zip ( 10.96k ) Number of downloads: 22


For computing IRR, the 500 MYR i-saraan contributions cannot be withdrawn, so they are not cash inflow/outflow per se and the whole investment is assumed to be withdrawn at the start of age 55 (end of age 54).



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post Dec 20 2023, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 20 2023, 09:43 PM)
Sorry not comfortable to download zip file. Just show as image file here.
Starting age, assuming div % ?
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post Mar 3 2024, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 3 2024, 03:03 PM)
read above link and this too.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...tment-says-epf/

what is still surprising is with 38% foreign inv, RM weakened so much, yet return is 8+% only...??

there must be some other explanation not highlighted yet.
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Good point bro. Last year MSCI World Index returns 20% p.a., plus USD.MYR depreciation of around 4-5% last year should yield almost 25% p.a. in MYR terms.

8% is more like a balanced portfolio's USD return...

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post Mar 3 2024, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 3 2024, 03:18 PM)
if RM was steady, it wud be normal, pretty good.

RM lost 6% to the $ in 2023, US markets at record highs.

maybe they picked the worst ones? biggrin.gif
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Passive index investing outshines everything... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 3 2024, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 3 2024, 03:25 PM)
That msci index returns is increase in value. Not realised gains.

Epf diviends works on realised gains from actual.selling of their portfolio.

So its not apples to apples.
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The news article says ROI, not dividends or something else...

I assume ROI means dividends + capital gains hehe

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