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post Aug 7 2024, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Aug 7 2024, 02:40 PM)
MYR stronger a tiny bit will it impact our dividend payout?
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Likely will affect a little.
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post Aug 12 2024, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Aug 12 2024, 08:21 AM)
Sinchew's article on EPF Account 3. First series: Is EPF adequate for retirement savings with the flexible fund arrangement?

https://www.sinchew.com.my/news/20240812/finance/5829346
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No read Chinese. But we all know the statistic. No matter how you cut and slice it's not enough for most people if that is their only retirement fund. Also RM240k target is a joke. They should put a disclaimer (*We expect you to have at least twice this amount outside of EPF for a safe and respectable retirement).
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post Aug 13 2024, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 13 2024, 05:38 PM)
later say flash crash in Q3, so overall is down  tongue.gif
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Now US market still not stable could have potential for another crash.
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post Aug 15 2024, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Aug 14 2024, 10:39 PM)
Mismatch of expectation

Hoping for 10% for a risk portfolio like EPF doh.gif

Want 10%? Can... bursa high risk stocks but be prepared for total lost

EPF if 6% consider doing their job already in this environment

Anything more is bonus

But well as usual if can who doesn't want cheap, big and young grin.gif

Hence, all shout 6% lousy
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BURSA buy bluechips unlikely total lost lah...just don't buy those sampah goreng stocks or racially weaponized stocks like Serbuk Dynamo. EPF 6% very excellent already. If can average 5%, i am ok already. Go US stock market for high growth, high potential stocks and with high liquidity.

QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 15 2024, 09:26 AM)
Depends on age. I would say <35 years old, we can take more risk, hence, no point to waste bullet topping up EPF on our own. But >35, we should reach the stage where we need to have more allocation on safer investment, thus, topping up EPF will start to make sense, at least to me. At this stage of age, will most likely have the investment enough to be rolling on their own, so the additional capital will be for topping up retirement fund.
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Agreed, the younger you are, time is on your side, can put more in high risks instruments. But at the same time, you can also top up EPF, albeit lesser into it. Use the simple 100-your age. So, 35 yr old can put 65 into high risk investments. Remember, EPF also has the advantage of bankruptcy proof. They can't touch your money in EPF (unless you launder money or terrorist lah).

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Member's EPF savings are not assignable, transferable, liable to be attached, sequestered, levied upon, for, or in respect of, any debt or claim including by the Director General of Insolvency. However, member’s savings protection can be forfeited in the event of a court order under the Anti-Money Laundering, Anti-Terrorism Financing and Proceeds of Unlawful Activities Act 2001 (Act 613).
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post Aug 23 2024, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Aug 23 2024, 11:26 AM)
Yup, i want to enjoy my life as earlier as possible. Actually i already fulfiled almost all of my teenager's dreams, such as having a house, cars, or "able to buy the best PC every year or when new flagship graphics card is out", i can easily afford these things now. I really appreciate what i am having now, besides hard work, it is all luck.
Depends on what era u were born, and also depends on if you have hobbies. I am a gamer since 5-6 years old, and i play game everyday, yes, everyday (The latest game "blackmyth Wukong, i spent 8 hours or more a day to play it). And i have a few more hobbies that i really don't have enough time to work on them now, i need more time. Yum char with buddies can do once in a while, as for traveling, personally i have 0 interests.

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If EPF still able to achieve minimum 5% dividen every year, i would be very happy.
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Thinking to get WuKong...not sure if my PC(RTX 3060 only)can run, else maybe get a PS5 Pro for it...erm..ok, I will withdraw EPF dividend next week to buy PS5 Pro and Wukong ....😅 Still EPF related...
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 3 2024, 01:07 PM)
I have a noob question here for the retirees who withdraw EPF monies for their living expenses:

a) As i understand that any money withdrawn before 12am 1st January is not entitled to the year's dividend.

b) So we should with draw the full year living expenses at one go after 1st January?

Is this true?

Bros CommodoreAmiga  Wedchar2912  batman1172
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I haven't withdraw EPF yet....so not really sure. Maybe go next week to setup online withdrawal. laugh.gif

Anyway:
a) Not sure. If you put in 10k from May to Oct, will you get dividend for these 6 months?

b) No. Ex: you earn 50k dividend last year. So you can setup either automatic monthly withdrawal say 4k, or you withdraw online as and when needed. But daily online withdrawal limit is 30k if i am not wrong. So this way, you get more dividends as the money not withdrawn still earning in EPF for next year.
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post Sep 3 2024, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 3 2024, 02:18 PM)
a) is yes for sure. It can be seen from the monthly contributions which are entitled to dividends.

b) i am saying this; If you have say 1mil on 1st Jan, and you withdraw 100k on 30th June, your dividend for that financial year will be based on 900k. That's what i interpreted the last time this was discussed anyway. Stand to be corrected. Gladly!
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(a) Monthly contribution if stays until end of the year, will earn the dividend. What i said earliar is, you put 10k in May, withdraw 10k in Oct. So i think this is correct "Any principal withdrawn before the financial year, is no more entitled to dividend declared for the year."
(b) Yes, my understanding the same. So this ties back to (a), you have withdraw 100k before the end of the year, so no dividend elligible.
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post Sep 3 2024, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 3 2024, 02:41 PM)
Which basically means that if i intend to withdraw 100k for the year, i might as well withdraw it all at once on 1st Jan and stick it into an FD or something instead of monthly withdrawals?
Alamak. It's some time ago. Need time to check unless Mum can help.
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Good question...i also want to know. mum. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 3 2024, 03:20 PM)
The "did not get dividend of the current year if withdrawal before 1st January (next year)" ...applies to full withdrawal for leaving the country.

For withdrawal if the account is still active, the dividend is based on "Your dividends are calculated based on your daily aggregate balance."

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/member/overview/...f%20that%20year
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I think this is the keyword. So if i withtdraw 10k in say, on March 15. I still get the dividends (from 1st Jan to March 15) based on daily aggregate balance. Korek me if i am wrong.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 5 2024, 01:56 PM)
could not have said it better...

5.xx% pa return with way lesser worry... no need to hunt for special FD rate from banks... no need to worry about bankers stealing your fd without you knowing (got some news about it)...
if scammers want to get your funds in EPF, they basically need to hack 2 institutions: EPF and your bank. kena con by love doesn't count as being scammed imho...  tongue.gif
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I have just done an RM100 withdrawal via the EPF app yesterday i think. Probably will need to go to EPF to verify for thumbprint for first time. Let's see how the process go. I will update later and share with everyone the process. One thing when withdrawing, it will ask your Bank Account, which must be same as current bank account. I forgot and put in another bank, doesn't allow me. So i put back the original bank account.

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Sep 8 2024, 04:53 PM)
Not that hard la young man...

Say one work at 20yrs old at 4k a month with 3% average annual increment at 5% rpf dividend, you have rm1m in 30trs.

Surely with promotion, job hopping, one will it much earlier...much much earlier.

The problems is most folks have no patient for delayed gratification and thinking gov cheats their epf, bla bla bla and invest in some dodgy scheme or trusting too much UT. If you are not well informed as investors, let EPF do theirs and you expand other investments.... at least it's a safety net....
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UT is the most fark up scams. Gov shouldn't allow UT agents to leach off unsuspecting contributors in the first place.
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Sep 8 2024, 10:20 AM)
I have just done an RM100 withdrawal via the EPF app yesterday i think. Probably will need to go to EPF to verify for thumbprint for first time. Let's see how the process go. I will update later and share with everyone the process. One thing when withdrawing, it will ask your Bank Account, which must be same as current bank account. I forgot and put in another bank, doesn't allow me. So i put back the original bank account.
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At EPF now, just done. Basically, you go straight to those kiosk. Your request from the withdrawal will pop up and you just click click and done.

I check the app again and it says status approved, so now just wait to bank in to bank account.

No need to go two times or use tricks like what we have discussed a few years ago to avoid the need to go there twice.

So, just use the app function to withdraw (over a million, over 50, over 55) and then wait for SMS and app notification to ask you go to EPF.

I use the app on Saturday and received SMS and app notification this morning. Reach there, no need to ask the counter guy either...walk straight to kiosk.
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EPF down now? Can't login via app or website.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Sep 10 2024, 10:15 AM)
i know not everyone has crystal ball.... so what i know is EPF guarantees 2.5% dividend yearly right?

for our own financial planning, is it safe to assume that we can get around 5 or 5.5% dividend yearly?

what do you guys think will be a good retirement number to have in EPF account? 1.5mil? 1mil? 2mil?
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I would say, looking at last 10-20 years average, 5% average is a very realistic figure. The amount depends on your age. If you retired like me now, you'll need less. If you are going to retire in another 20 years, maybe add RM 1.5m to whatever the figure you're looking at.

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Sep 9 2024, 09:23 PM)
EPF down now? Can't login via app or website.
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Sep 9 2024, 09:25 PM)
The old app can login, new one cannot.
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App up already this morning. My withdrawal record shows the RM100 approved and payment date is 10th, today. Let's see if i receive the money end of the day. Then i will make another withdrawal to test, which should not need any thumbprint verifications.
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My RM 100 credited to my account already.

So Monday verified the thumnail, transaction approved, today Wednesday, money entered. Just 3 working days (inclusive).

Time to withdraw EPF to buy PS5 Pro (announced last night incidentally). Hahaha.

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Sep 11 2024, 02:43 PM)
Waifu and I are destined to die lonely… we have to come to terms and be prepared to reap what we’ve decided to sow 30 plus years ago, when we decided not to have children. So, in my case, I will withdraw the full passive % and even that we will find we have more than enough left over after all our expenditures to roll onto new income generating investments….

After a certain level, it becomes quite meaningless
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You can adopt me to be your sole heir. 🤣🤣🤣
Anyway, unker here advice young people to have kids.

Not because you will be lonely or what, because to me raising a kid is the best experience in my life. Money can't buy.

Not dissing you, bro, you have made your choice and at peace with it. I am just sharing my own personal experience. I didn't think too fondly about having kids before i do. After had one, i realized that is the best thing ever happened to me.
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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Sep 11 2024, 05:55 PM)
Get Wukong! I have played it more than 120 hours  rclxm9.gif  (I will get a PS5 Pro too)
Not having kids is the best choice i have made in my life  rclxms.gif I made this decision when i was 16-17 year old.

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Already get for PC version...my RTX3060 still can run after use modded driver to enable FG. But i totally sucked...only played like 15 hours.... err...ok withdraw EPF withdraw EPF buy PS5 Pro...(must insert compulsory keywords). innocent.gif
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 23 2024, 08:27 AM)
des why set up epf acc for kids liao... start moving funds to them...

they get isaaran... importantly when we gg... they dun get too big windfall... scammer cannot target locked up monies in epf... hahaha
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EPF has nomination for your money. If you gg, kid get, still the same. Important is to teach kid financial prudence, investment and scams. This is what i do now. Whenever see scam news, tell my kid, explain to him. Kasi brain wash kaw kaw. Also tell them never trust Unit trust. Investment must learn the hard way. No get rich quick scheme. I even try to help my nephew who is very bodoh financially, but he never take initiative. Fed up. I have tried.

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