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post Nov 19 2023, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Nov 19 2023, 09:20 AM)
actually I didn’t calculate much on yield.  It’s very hard to do with gearing.
My purchase window was 2000 to 2011. That time as long as I can come up with 20 to 30% capital the rest was funded by rent. Cost was mostly about 150 to 200k that time around Klang valley. I could sell between 850 to 950 now and earn lots more in bonds and equity but should I? Probably not because epf and CPF is still better bet for retired old people.
In all fairness, focus on where you know you can generate more income. That for me is employment and I still encourage young to do that.  how hard is it to pull SGD200k at age 30 odd nowadays?
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Looking at SG stats, almost impossible to pull 200k SGD in salary regardless of age haha.

So if one is pulling that, better focus on enhancing and strengthening that like you say.

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post Nov 20 2023, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Nov 20 2023, 09:37 AM)
I'm not a book guy, but i'll give it a try if have chance.

But i still wanted to leave my legacy to my descendant if possible so that they can enjoy what i didnt...call me old fashion but i wished them able value their life and enjoy their life without worrying about money...

If my quantum is big enough i wish to find some trust fund etc to provide my descendant a controlled stream of funds example RM 300k annually so that they get the money steadily, at the same time unable to splurge it..
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I suggest you also read "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel. There's an audio book and he also has a podcast by the same name I think.

It really gives you a different perspective about the relationship between money and individual.
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post Nov 20 2023, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Nov 20 2023, 08:42 AM)
got and a lot of people don't want this kind of job.
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Sadly bro, those RW and Hays survey are not reflective of reality. I'm part of it so I know.

Most people would be stuck between the 5-8k range, with a handful getting that 5 figure salary so many wish for. If one has it, better focus on growing that.

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post Nov 20 2023, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Nov 20 2023, 02:28 PM)
Why so many book recommendation today.....

My thinking is flawed and old fashion in someway?
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No, but perhaps with different perspectives one can tweak its estate planning better.

For me, this line is something I always doubt comes true.

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call me old fashion but i wished them able value their life and enjoy their life without worrying about money...


You see plenty of mega ultra max pro rich people is still unhappy, chasing more wealth, destroying relationships over ringgit and sense, for example Uncle Lim's family:

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...1-6bil-lawsuit/

So, I think I'll never know what is "never worry about money" level. It is RM100k? It is RM1mil? It is RM10mil? RM100k is life-changing to some, but its just a weekend spending to another. And this quote in the book I recommended sorta touched on:

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“At a party given by a billionaire on Shelter Island, Kurt Vonnegut informs his pal, Joseph Heller, that their host, a hedge fund manager, had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his wildly popular novel Catch-22 over its whole history. Heller responds, “Yes, but I have something he will never have … enough.” Enough. I was stunned by the simple eloquence of that word—stunned for two reasons: first, because I have been given so much in my own life and, second, because Joseph Heller couldn’t have been more accurate. For a critical element of our society, including many of the wealthiest and most powerful among us, there seems to be no limit today on what enough entails.”


So my legacy would hopefully NOT to have my kids never needing to worry about money, but understand what is "enough", and how I can help them achieve that.

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post Nov 20 2023, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 20 2023, 02:51 PM)
came here thinking something up with EPF... $$$ missing or something since got major upgrade by them....

then see..  talking about books... retirements stuff tongue.gif
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Because there's major upgrade so pivot to talk about books ma bro haha..

After the site is back up then continue.
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post Nov 22 2023, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 22 2023, 02:30 PM)
Most people have <1M by 40 years old, what do you mean by many? More than 1 consider many?
Anyway I was replying to a question of 100K cash to EPF account vs paying 800K house loan lump sum.
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He's a well known troll, so take it with a dose of salt.
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post Nov 22 2023, 08:48 PM

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Would you put in like 15k into EPF to hit a personal milestone?

Or better invest it in other places?
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post Nov 22 2023, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 22 2023, 08:55 PM)
Jfi, a forummer (gashout) had maxed the 100k limit this year months ago and had planned yo max it again in Jan 24.
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No la, I don't do the self contribution, but more to get my total amount to another level.
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post Nov 22 2023, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 22 2023, 09:58 PM)
in grand scheme of things (btw, it is a damn good thing that you are rich enough to consider doing this), it doesn't really matter the 15K rm.

if it gives you satisfaction, just put it in. If you like to keep it in FD or USD FD, that is fine also.
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It's in a way money just lying about (I just found I had some ASNB Imbang 1 which has been giving really shitty returns for years that I totally forgotten about).


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post Jan 2 2024, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 2 2024, 05:02 PM)
lolz....

if like that...
all those fast food US companies also "non-halal" lorh  laugh.gif
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post Jan 2 2024, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 2 2024, 04:40 PM)
i just hope for 5.5% in my conservative projections. Anything above won't touch and let it compound
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I will be a bit more bullish, given there has been a huge rebound for the global stock market in general.
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post Jan 2 2024, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 2 2024, 05:43 PM)
May not be that relevant here, but would like to ask if anyone have tried to register PADU and verified the details?

May I enquire if PADU asked about EPF and banking and equity trading details?
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T20 won't have any subsidies, so don't bother.
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post Jan 2 2024, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 2 2024, 06:25 PM)
yeah, same thoughts here. really no point to give big brother more data.... because imagine the current gov and the future all govs decide to abuse the info collected.
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Yea, more you give then self kantoi unless its necessary.
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post Jan 11 2024, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jan 11 2024, 03:49 PM)
Back to tikam - 6.88%

I wonder why gov like to do round up to 0.05 like 5.35% or 4.74... why not have some ong number like 6.88%
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Must manage expectations. 6.2% maybe. tongue.gif
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post Jan 15 2024, 11:44 AM

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EPF 2023 Dividend - TIKAM list

Above 6%
virtualgay - 6.88% | 6.44%
yungkit14 - 6.50%
leo_kiatez - 6.43%
ikanbilis - 6.30%
CommodoreAmiga - 6.25%
oks911 - 6.25%
mroys - 6.25%
fuzzy - 6.20%
tehoice - 6.15% (+- 0.05%)
kiwifruit - 6.1%
Kens88` - 6.1%
romuluz777 - 6.088%
sj - 6.05
Netcrawler - 6.05
nexona88 - 6% +/-
tifosi - 6%
Pseudomonas - 6% (upper limit 6.5%)
Cubalagi - 6%
Jenn77 - 6%
kechung - 6%

Below 6%
gashout 5.95%
Gamenoob 5.92%
poweredbydiscuz - 5.85%
handsome ankle - 5.85%
prophetjul 5.83%
Rinth - 5.8%
ronnie - 5.5%
Hopefully with many lucks in 2023 last Q.
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post Feb 17 2024, 10:11 AM

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EPF app is down for maintenance, ini kari lah?
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post Feb 24 2024, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 24 2024, 10:53 AM)
We all know its gonna be around early March...

What that attract my attention is the various so called expert @ analyst target for the dividend...

All commonly says it's start from 5.5% but stop rate is different between them all...

Some says it's 5.8, some 6%... Heck got even 6.3% too...

If were to take like "middle partway"...
Then the expected rate is around 5.9% +/-

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All hint 5.5-6%, so they already seed the expectations. I think it's around 5.8%, and people will be 'happy' because it's higher of the given range.

Good propaganda management.
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post Feb 25 2024, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Feb 24 2024, 11:36 AM)
All hint 5.5-6%, so they already seed the expectations. I think it's around 5.8%, and people will be 'happy' because it's higher of the given range.

Good propaganda management.
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See, told you it's propaganda management.

Keep seeding that things might not be as rosy, so when they give the higher range all will think government did well.

If all say 6%, and they deliver 5.85%, all say they fail.
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post Feb 28 2024, 01:07 PM

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PETALING JAYA: The 16 million contributors to the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) may well have cause to celebrate this year.

A source told FMT Business today that higher dividends of up to 5.6% are on the cards, largely attributable to the good performance of the fund’s overseas investments.



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post Feb 28 2024, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Feb 28 2024, 01:18 PM)
higher dividends of up to 5.6%??

very bad news...
previously mentioned up to 6.5%!!!
Sudah kena conned big by everyone...
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Because Q3 was good, so people thought Q4 gonna bettter but kena kencing.

That's why govt start start propaganda since few weeks back, so suddenly everyone also happy with 5.5% etc

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