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post Aug 9 2023, 12:33 PM

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Guys, don't get political in here please.
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post Aug 10 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Aug 9 2023, 02:56 PM)
is all about dividend la...
and here we always talk about other thing than dividend...
so next year dividend anyone want to tikam?
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I'm thinking around 5.5% - 5.8%.

The results of 1Q23 looks better vs 1Q22, but it pales to 2021, so just predict its gonna be somewhere between both.


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post Aug 10 2023, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 10 2023, 12:01 PM)
Wonder how is EPF's investment in UK now that GBP has appreciated 20% vs MYR.
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Did they have to sell parts of it last two years due to the withdrawal?
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post Aug 10 2023, 05:57 PM

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They do publish annual financial report: https://www.kwsp.gov.my/documents/20126/213...t=1665076903444

OR at least they did until 2021, so you can kinda glance and see what are the breakdown.

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post Sep 20 2023, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 20 2023, 10:50 AM)
not enough... we need 10 million ringgit to retire.... and that is retire with worry...

there, I've said it...  tongue.gif

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// the worry is because don't know if people will start liking my money more than me... haha
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I told you someone will eventually say RM1mil cannot retire.

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post Sep 27 2023, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Sep 27 2023, 09:42 AM)
wth, does this mean they're gonna bring down conventional dividends to close the gap with syariah???
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...l-savings/57971

Old news. It was already announced back in Budget time.


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post Sep 27 2023, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 27 2023, 09:44 AM)
Not sure what it means whether Conventional up or down?
However, how would EPF do this?  confused.gif  Why bother? They have their own instruments of investing.
Why do they even need to do this?
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My understanding, which I could ge wrong is last time be it conventional or syariah, its all one big fund when they buy. So they buy maybank 10%, genting 10% etc etc

But when declare, syariah one won't get genting while conventional one get.

But because of this, there are times where you would have wanted to buy maybank 20% however since its combined, its 10 + 10.

So with this, they can now "utilise" it and buy what syariah compliant shares with more % rather than have to compromise when it was in the same fund sharing.
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Sep 27 2023, 05:36 PM)
Btw Maybank is not Shariah compliant 🤦‍♀️ banks are deemed not permissible under Shariah investment

Only Commodities, Property and Industrial sectors locally are compliant with Shariah investment
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I also dunno what stock is shariah compliant because im not impacted lol


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post Oct 11 2023, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 10 2023, 04:52 PM)
I wonder what the CEO of EPF mean?? how is consider as "fair returns"?? 5% 10%? 20%??  hmm.gif
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Introducing the idea of tiered dividend. If you rich, then return should be lower so its fair lo to the poor. If you poor return should be higher so encourage you to save. And change withdrawal rule so cannot withdraw suka hati.

All one shot kena game.

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/state-n...ome-epf-members

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post Oct 11 2023, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Oct 11 2023, 01:43 PM)
I know it didn't come from you....

but how does lower return to the rich is fair to the poor?
sounded like I am poor but at least I have my health... rich people should not have their health kinda saying...  tongue.gif

But I see no problem gov implementing UBI for all Malaysians, and tax the high income kau kau... that is fair.... jack up income tax to 50% (for example) and remove all fuel subsidies and intro GST. Then give everyone 2K rm, for example. The poor will benefit for sure.

Savings and EPF savings are due to hard work and prudential spending and some luck, not free money from gov.
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This gomen seems desperate to win the B40 votes at the expanse of the M's and T's.

You already can see articles like this been seeded since 2020, so sooner or later someone will come up with some corporate jargonist reason on why that is considered fair.

If they change the withdrawal terms, we also can't do anything sweat.gif
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post Oct 13 2023, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 13 2023, 05:43 PM)
WTF. 10 years habis liao. I think i already took RM900. 5K how to sara? And what is this Akaun Fleksibel?? hmm.gif
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It's a way to quiet down those "let me take my money" noises.

Maybe they will say a few % of the EPF money goes into this and you can withdraw it anytime without penalty or reason.

But it might be lower dividend or something kot to discourage this.
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post Oct 13 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Oct 13 2023, 06:07 PM)
what is the source for this?
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It's in the official brief. But no details yet.
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post Oct 13 2023, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Oct 13 2023, 09:15 PM)
I think is legit...the system is not complicated...
probably is a yearly adjustable %. Probably 1% or 2%. And I bet is on Acc 2
Can only be adjust once a year on certain period of time
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It will not be on Acc 1 or 2, likely separated with owners can opt to put a few % that they can withdraw as they like.

Will be interesting to see what's the t&c around it.
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post Oct 13 2023, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Oct 13 2023, 09:28 PM)
Ya... my expectation is Getting portion of supposed deposit of Acc2,
we can opt to get a portion of 1-2% on new deposit on Acc2, to be transfer to Acc3
But this will be on New deposit. Current Acc2 is still untouch...

The amount will end up very small

At the end, we just playing around that 23% of EPF deposit
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This is to address the portion of people that every year ask to withdraw EPF la. Nothing much to it.
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post Oct 13 2023, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Oct 13 2023, 05:56 PM)
It's a way to quiet down those "let me take my money" noises.

Maybe they will say a few % of the EPF money goes into this and you can withdraw it anytime without penalty or reason.

But it might be lower dividend or something kot to discourage this.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 13 2023, 09:44 PM)
Thanks
Akaun 3 juga mungkin menawarkan dividen lebih rendah berbanding Akaun 1 dan 2 kerana ia akan berfungsi seperti akaun simpanan.
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So I'm right haha, as keikaku.

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post Oct 14 2023, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 14 2023, 10:15 AM)
we can see ppl who are in this forum are very different from most of the b40s. most in this forum do not need to withdraw any epf money and are generally financial literate.
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we all b40s k
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post Oct 16 2023, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Oct 16 2023, 12:37 PM)
hi, just to understand, what's the "locking in" period about?

thanks
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Means EPF u put in cannot suka hati take out.
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post Oct 18 2023, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 18 2023, 08:19 PM)
iOS KWSP iAkaun cannot seem to broken... anyone has issue..keeps loop to ask me update at App Store
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Update new one.

Best because it alerts you when your monthly EPF contribution gets deposited haha
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post Nov 9 2023, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Nov 9 2023, 04:17 PM)
https://www.enanyang.my/%E8%B4%A2%E7%BB%8F%...IQAvzP1RdWox6CI

Most interviewees said M40/M20 need around rm 3.9mil only can retire "comfortably".

Personally i think the meaning of comfortably is difference for each person (age factor, life style, etc). Some can retire comfortably with 1mil, some 2mil, 3mil, etc.
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Bro, the survey already made clear, that they were interviewing mass affluent folks and asking them what they think THEY need to have a comfortable retirement. These are people with a current net worth of RM470,000 to RM9.4 million.

That means they were asking people with an average net worth of RM4mil how much they need to retire, and the answer was RM4mil, which tracks. These people aren't even M40/M20 level, they are T10 or T0.1 side.

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Nov 9 2023, 06:26 PM)
damn... i saw the word "中产阶级". Didn't realize they categorized those who have > 3mil - 9.4mil as middle class too.  ohmy.gif
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HSBC is one kind one la. 9.3mil to them is under "mass" lol

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