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Cubalagi
post Dec 23 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 23 2020, 01:28 PM)
This year bonus div of 0.75% is for the 1st 30k, last year bonus div of 0.5% has no limit?
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Last year no limit.

Reading the PNB press release is quite interesting.
It's actually: 3.75 sen distribution, 0.75 sen bonus and 0.75 sen "Ehsan".

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post Dec 30 2020, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Dec 28 2020, 10:01 AM)
Epf using their funds to bailout toxic assets. You see their recent purchases then you know.
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What are these toxic assets being bailed out?
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post Feb 10 2021, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Feb 10 2021, 02:56 PM)
From his linkedin:

A highly motivated CEO of proven ability with extensive experience in the Oil & Gas/Shipping/Retail/Services industries, who has..

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And 0 asset management or investment bank experience.

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post Feb 11 2021, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Feb 11 2021, 07:11 PM)
Do you think the additional loosening up of i-Sinar caused the change in EPF head?

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Looks very obvious to me..
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post Feb 11 2021, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(KIP21 @ Feb 10 2021, 10:44 AM)
Concerning when during this time, changing CEO. And some more not from internal EPF team... This guy seems like a jumper. Jump so many companies.
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Jumper?

Sounds very much like the experience of the guy who appointed him.. The current MOF.
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post Feb 27 2021, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Feb 27 2021, 03:29 PM)
why 5.2% is not bad? its lower than last year when there was one stingy fm, moreover the bursa n dj is now much higher versus last year.
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5.2% is based on 2020 performance..doesn't matter what bursa n djia level is now.

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post Feb 27 2021, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2021, 01:16 PM)
Are they not supposed to declare all income to the shareholders?  Or are they allowed to retained some for whatever ?
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They are not required to..

And we are not shareholders. We are contributors.
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post Feb 27 2021, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2021, 04:10 PM)
Stakeholders then.  Means they can retain any amount for their pleasure?
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No.. They are required by law to pay a minimum of 2.5%.

And their internal minimum target return is 2% over inflation (calculated over a CPI rolling 3 year period) .

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post Feb 27 2021, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Feb 27 2021, 04:59 PM)
so little should above 6%, trillion of investment get tiny return.
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The more trillions of investment, the harder it is to get high returns.

Eg.. If u only have a thousand bucks, it's possible to get double return in a week.

If u have a trillion bucks, it's really impossible to double your returns in a week.


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post Feb 27 2021, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2021, 05:01 PM)
Means they can retain anything to their pleasure, thereafter?
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If they pay beyond their mininimum and target, then be grateful..
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post Feb 27 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Feb 27 2021, 04:43 PM)
the epf statement said strong performance in 2020, but didnt mention against which year or which market, hence i benchmark using bursa and dj, and last year, so how come the dividend is lower when the performance is strong?
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If u remember, 1st quarter 2020 sucks..for Epf, Bursa and djia..


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post Feb 27 2021, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Feb 27 2021, 05:05 PM)
bursa 2018 1700, 2019 down to 1600, 2020 up to 1650
is my question illogical?
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U forget March 2020, down to 1206.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2021, 05:04 PM)
No...i am not grateful or ungrateful. i am trying to understand what the EPF really is.

i am no one serf.
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It's a mandatory contribtion fund that guarantees 2.5% pa return, with a potential for higher return than 2.5% depending on performance.


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2021, 05:15 PM)
But it's capital is solely the worker's monies(contributions). So what right have they to retain the profits made?
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They can keep some to cover for future dividends.
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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Feb 27 2021, 05:35 PM)
my original question is why 5.2% is not bad when the dividend is lower versus last year while epf performed strongly in 2020. my benchmark is for illustration and not conclusive, if you know the the reason, i am all ears, however if you dont know the answer, its also perfectly fine.
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EPF did not perform as strongly in 2020 vs 2019, that's why it's dividend s is lower. This is using 2019 performance benchmark.

It did perform strongly if we use other benchmarks:

Economy = GDP was negative in 2020
KLCI = flat, measured from start of year to end of year
FD rates = record low.

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https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...-akaun-1-285071

Wow.. An Estimated 30% EPF contributors are left with only RM100 in Account 1.

This is going to give this country lots of problems in the future.

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post Mar 1 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 1 2021, 05:50 AM)
30% of all EPF members or 30% of those who make i-sinar* withdrawals?

Anyway, it just means that they have less than RM10,000 in their Account 1. It does not make a hell lot of difference as it is not a significant amount as savings for retirement.

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More color here

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2021/03/01/...xhaust-savings/

30% is 1.6 million, so must be 30% from active members.

Also mentioned that 60% would have withdrawn all from Account 2.

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post Mar 12 2021, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Mar 12 2021, 07:27 AM)
My simple thinking of investing i sinar money to UT is get away from cash asset class, too susceptible to inflation.
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Portfolio wise EPF is like a balanced fund UT, with around 40% equities and 60% bonds and money market.

Only it is principal protected with a guaranteed 2.5% return.

So its not really a cash asset class thing.

If u invest in equity UT, you do have the potential for higher returns going forward, but also carry more risk, including possibility of losing part of your principal.

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post Mar 27 2021, 11:35 AM

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Hi

Anyone knows if the EPF kiosks are open on the weekends nowadays?

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post Jun 16 2021, 08:15 PM

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There is now campaign for govt to allow I-Sinar 2.0. Second round of withdrawals from account 1.

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