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CommodoreAmiga
post Sep 29 2022, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Sep 29 2022, 05:54 PM)
All the medicines my parent get (actually only my father needs them) are from government hospital, which are very cheap.

Hopefully Malaysia still able to control and give cheap medicines to patients for a long time.
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Can get HBP and High Cholesterol pills from gov hospital?
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post Sep 29 2022, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Sep 29 2022, 08:46 PM)
Hmmm, few types of pills my parent takes, not sure what is HBP, but High Cholesterol pills should have if i am not mistaken.

I remember my parent told me when the hospital got stock, the staff will notify my parent to go there buy / take them.

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For EPF, i am wondering if these 1-2 years the FD rate will be very close to EPF rate or even surpass the EPF rate...
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Will be close. EPF will goes down thanks to all those withdrawals and the market is generally down. So, expect the EPF rates to go down next few years while FDs goes up.
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post Sep 30 2022, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Sep 29 2022, 09:22 PM)
But I do notice inflation is creeping up pretty steep these last few years.
Ie for last 10 years can settle for meal under rm10 including drink.
This year chicken rice already rm8. Chinese tea also rm1-2. Jialat.

But when I played around with the spreadsheet, I notice a delayed gratification of just 5 years allow the principal to grow very significantly if we don’t touch it the first 5 years

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Yes, when u reached 1 mil, each year can grows RM50k at 5%. Just wait five years can grow to another RM250-RM300k.

At RM 1.3m @5%, already got RM65k/yr. Which translate to RM5.4k/mth. Compares RM1mil. You will only have RM 4166/mth, very significant difference.

So, couple with other incomes like rentals, FDs and other investment. You will have a pretty solid RM8-RM10k, with a minimum base income of RM 5.4k.
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post Sep 30 2022, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 30 2022, 09:12 AM)
Real inflation is always different from political inflation.
i see you used 3% which is no where near real inflation.

For eg in 1983 chap fan cost around Rm1.50 a plate. Now its like Rm14  in my town.
So that is more like 6% inflation through the 39 years.
To add tp that the grad salary was Rm1,200. Presently its like RM2,800. NOW that is a REAL problem.
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RM14 chap fan? You big eater? PJ 1 meat + 2 vege usually RM10 or less.
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post Sep 30 2022, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 30 2022, 10:51 AM)
I ain't in PJ lah. I am in the most expensive state in Msia.
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Err...where??
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post Sep 30 2022, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 30 2022, 11:25 AM)
Sabah  laugh.gif
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post Oct 6 2022, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Imbi Plaza Lot 1.28 @ Oct 3 2022, 12:35 PM)
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I am very curious what is at Lot 1.28 at Imbi Plaza???? hmm.gif

QUOTE(plc255 @ Oct 6 2022, 11:44 AM)
What if EPF were to lose 21.5% Jan ~ Sept 2022, how /what do you think the gov / EPF would do with the 2.5% floor dividend?

Would EPF be flooded with withdrawal?? I think quite possible...

HK MPF have around trillion HKD asset, just like EPF have around trillion MYR asset. So imagine EPF loses MYR258.9 billion..
I think HK MPF is more like Msia PRS along with a list of funds but with mandatory contribution... but then again I dunno the details.. anyone in the know feel free to comment?
Hong Kong residents’ nest eggs shrink by HK$56,500 each as Mandatory Provident Fund posts record HK$258.9 billion nine-month loss

Source: SCMP - 6 Oct 2022

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BTW, 1.69 HKD to 1 MYR today according to Google.
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For sure next year will be down. But i don't see EPF to go to baseline 2.5%. What was the worst EPF rates in the last 30 years or so including during the time of major financial crisis?


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post Oct 7 2022, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Oct 7 2022, 07:30 PM)
They want us to support RM so that 2 years later Cindy Yeap can write another tiered dividend article.

Anyway, beats all other options in this market.
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Now no money Liao, no need to talk. It's pretty obvious Cindy Yeap has an agenda.
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post Oct 9 2022, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 8 2022, 11:25 PM)
THE 27b income is based on a smaller pool of members' holdings due to massive withdrawals during mco. Anyone know how much it affects those who didnt withdrawal?
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Same lah. All those withdraw enjoy the same dividend, those who didn't kena penalized with lower dividend thanks to 10k iFong buyers. Likely to be 4.5% or maybe less next year.


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post Oct 9 2022, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 9 2022, 01:29 PM)
I have many friends who preferred to buy Gold and other assets to hedge against the depreciating Ringgit instead of piling up into the EPF.
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If you follow the market....gold has been dropping since the first EPF withdrawal...those who bought then.... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 9 2022, 07:59 PM)
long ago... currencies are gold-backed... then US decided to decouple it, and other nations followed... then starts printing USD with impunity... and starts weaponizing the USD...

currently evidence suggests not much correlation between gold and inflation... but nevertheless some ppl still run to it as hedge... but ppl run to USD more...
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post Oct 15 2022, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 15 2022, 12:40 PM)
One advantage of our EPF is,... the moment they sell their overseas assets, they will : kite untung forex !

Heard this personally from their brass levels,.... so, no problem, MYR will always get to be more the moment they realize their overseas investemts.

I think can maintain the yield.
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But not all investment is overseas...lots of the money still needs to support krony local companies. If I remember correctly, only aorund 35% to 40% is overseas investment. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(Rinth @ Nov 10 2022, 02:41 PM)
2020 covid-19 dividend was 5.2%.... so this year expect to perform worst then 2020? Not expert here just asking....My target own target is 5.5%...hope can achieve...
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2020 was actually a very good year for stock market as the US keeps pumping money to push up the stock after the Covid dip. Hence made a lot of money for everyone. This year is the start of the bear market with US Feds aggresively pumping up interest rates.. Probably still not bottom yet. This year got 5% also cukur already.
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QUOTE(bill11 @ Nov 10 2022, 08:43 PM)
Can get FD rate like 3.2% also very happy lioa.
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Wei...dun lah...i will cry if 3.2%. cry.gif
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post Nov 11 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 10 2022, 10:40 PM)
But EPF got the smoothing mechanism, right ?

During years where the investments returns is low, EPF can always use previous year profits to boost our dividend yield, right ?
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Where got such thing. Source?
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post Nov 11 2022, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 11 2022, 09:32 AM)
If yuo read back the postings in this thread,.. you will see there are inputs along this line.

So,... you tell me,... I recalled it is called Profit Smoothing,....

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Whatever it is, this year rates will go down, that is a guaranteed. Just a matter of by how much.
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post Nov 11 2022, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 11 2022, 12:47 PM)
Thnk you for your replies, CommodoreAmiga and Rinth,....

The info was good and it validates what was posted earlier,... well,... I'm also hoping for good dividend,...  biggrin.gif

But I'll put more hopes on my foreign incomes,.... better purchasing power there,....
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UK is going down and so is Euro. Thanks to Uncle Sam printing money, raising rates and passing inflation to everyone else. Europe really kena troll kaw Kaw by US...

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post Nov 13 2022, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(immobile @ Nov 13 2022, 01:53 PM)
damm if it's 3.2%.....i also will cry...listen to emo sad malay songs....3.2% is really low
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All the mini buses rock kapak songs coming back to me now....
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post Dec 5 2022, 10:26 PM

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Next year got 5% already cukur.
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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Dec 6 2022, 12:08 AM)
I am wondering if that self contribution limit that was raised to 100k by the previous government still on?

If next year still has minimum 5% dividen, and if that limit is 100k, i will definitely pump in 100k.
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later next year FD raise until 7%, regret kaw kaw.

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