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dwRK
post May 4 2023, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 4 2023, 08:39 PM)
ah ok... my bad.

the total money supply M2 went from 15 trillion (2020) to like 21 trillion, so the reverse repo hardly did anything.
the banks just don't know what to do with the printed money?
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yeah... des why i stop tracking reverse repo...

feds printed more during covid to help ppl... all ends up on wallstreet... as usual... lol... anyways...

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post May 5 2023, 08:51 AM

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Wedchar2912.... fyi...

feds started reverse repo 2013...

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i became aware 2015/6... watch until 2017... trend was going up... i waited for recession...

then trump happened... des why suddenly nothing much after 2017... lol...

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coupled with covid printing... we all know the stock chart ah... no need to show here... hahaha...

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post May 5 2023, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 5 2023, 04:47 PM)

N for some retired folks its like a social activity as I see them regularly attending company AGM with friends.
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there's this group i call them "single stock club"... just own 1 stock in many companies then go around agms eating free food... lol

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post May 5 2023, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ May 5 2023, 04:17 PM)
don't be like me...  age 50 only figure out got such thing as stock market. too late.
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learn got stock n futures markets at 16... lost so much money man... so much... ;(

hence you learning only at 50, flushed with cash, market maybe near bottom, can be a good thing... biggrin.gif

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post May 5 2023, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ May 5 2023, 06:07 PM)
Few things cannot touch in stock market, the risk is beyond many can take :

1. Margin trading
2. Contra trading
3. Buying derivatives products such warrant, futures

If you refrain yourself from the above, you can avoid many disaster.
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buy ut also rugi... lol... nothing to do with above lah... sendiri incompetent and no luck...

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post May 6 2023, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 5 2023, 08:46 PM)
Before covid-19

No more... Old school or not...

All nowadays online one...
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still got agm at ballroom leh...

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post May 6 2023, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ May 5 2023, 08:34 PM)
That one is old skool companies πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ no one bother AGMs at fancy hotels as it is waste of money πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ these days shareholders want more dividends instead and that is why you can see come company pays better dividends for a reason
No need thanks to Covid19 πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ Only those old skool companies still waste money on such things πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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budgeted expenses... use it or lose it... wink.gif

but savings from no agm buffet... wont go into your dividends... just means more money for company dinner... laugh.gif

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post May 6 2023, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 6 2023, 08:50 AM)
Which company??

So far I see all is online πŸ§πŸ€”
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prefer not to say... shitty counters from my 1st foray into bursa... kept as reminder... lol...

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post May 6 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 6 2023, 12:04 PM)
Yg penting get free makan at Hotel...own via EPF tarak free makan.
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best roi...

pay 1.3... free food for life... biggrin.gif

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post May 7 2023, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Parmjit @ May 7 2023, 11:54 AM)
Yes, I have a monthly pencen ........Is there a limit amount for EPF? I saw somewhere the limit is 60K?
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i think no limit if kwap dumps it directly to kwsp... pls check with kwap...

i know companies can do it this way... i assume same treatment...

if you're taken it... then 60/100k limits apply...

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post May 7 2023, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 7 2023, 02:44 PM)
This is separate category? Not under self contribution?
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yes... not under self contribution

the company must do it for you... they can push any amount into epf...

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post May 9 2023, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 9 2023, 09:54 AM)
"urge"  laugh.gif
I think they EPF to subscribe to more MGS coming up. Need more monay for development.
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des why 100k... lol...

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post May 9 2023, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 9 2023, 10:31 AM)
Yes. YES!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
National will grow further. All subscribed by EPF.  drool.gif
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4d chess at its finest... reduce liquidity without raising more rates and reverse repo... rclxm9.gif

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post May 11 2023, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ May 11 2023, 09:10 PM)
They are currently in the process of finalising the initiative to increase the annual payment limit for the voluntary contribution from 60K to 100K as mentioned in the recent budget.
Further announcements regarding the implementation will be made in the near future.
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all they need to do is change number, 60 to 100... systems already in place...

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post May 31 2023, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 31 2023, 09:08 AM)
Won't be so high rate...

I'm looking at 15% the max...

And given at least 1 year "buffer" to implement them especially for SME 😁
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can tier mah... we all so like tiering...

1500-1600... 20%... no bonus
1600-1800... 15%... half bonus
1800-2000... 11%... full bonus

zero sum game... lol...

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post May 31 2023, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 31 2023, 09:46 AM)
Huhuhuhu

Bosses always find ways to maximize profits
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actually can be managed lah... just cut 1% from those 20k plus ppl... ok already... hehehe

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post May 31 2023, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ May 31 2023, 01:06 PM)
And they let you cut because...? Easier to just fire more ppl and those who stay do more jobs.. πŸ˜‚ maximized profit.
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QUOTE(batman1172 @ May 31 2023, 01:59 PM)
its the people who get 20k plus who makes the decision hehehehe
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company epf lah... 12% to 11%... aiyoh...

when starting low pay give you more... when t10 high pay give you less...

zero sum game on the company...

balance and fair... whistling.gif

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post Jun 1 2023, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Jun 1 2023, 11:45 AM)
Yah.. That's what i am saying the t10 is willing to let you cut because? They are t10 for a reason. Are you going to tell them you gonna punish them coz of thier capability too good and give thier meat to b40 coz they too useless and incentive them to become useless so they can get meat from t10? Looks that everybody no more incentives to do better liao.. this is what i always telling ppl.. someone doing better means you should reward them for it.. Not punish them. If you tell me they are doing good so we should help those struggling then you are punishing the good and rewarding the bad.
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as you know life is not fair... and you cant please everyone... this is prime example

paying 28% income tax and 1k road tax isnt fair... but my village elder said... better than going hungry...

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post Jun 2 2023, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Jun 1 2023, 10:04 PM)
After tax still earn more plus they definitely know ways around taxation so you don't have to worry about that. The issue is why should they let you (the normal ppl) cut that earnings? Why would a company do that to thier top ppl earners? That's what i asking. Why would a company cut 1% from thier top earners to give to the bottom earners and discourage them (top earners) to make more money for the company? If i am the boss i rather fire the bottom ppl to keep the top earners (if they really perform very good for the company). If the issue is nett zero changes to business operation, then it makes more sense to fire bottom.. say 10% and tell the rest of the company to work harder. Not cut top 1% top earners and keep lazy bums down there happy. Isn't it? I would cut bonus if i have to and only give those deserving a better bonus. Kwsp is a must but bonus is optional isn't it? Increment is also optional. So rather than making top 1% earners unhappy, i rather reduce bonus and increment of bottom earners to make it net zero. Not happy? Work harder or leave lo. Why cut top earners money? Make zero sense..

yeah.. i agree.. life is not fair.. paying 28% income tax coz they can.. Paying 1k road tax coz they can afford. But cutting salary coz you wanna please bottom earners? That's stupid as i explained above. I rather fire bottom earners and keep employees that contribute more and encourage them to make me more money then piss off top earners who actually perform better. Some stuff in life is not fair. There is nothing we can do to change it. But that doesn't mean i should do the same with things i am in charge of. This reduction in salary of top earners makes zero sense. πŸ˜‚ I just rambling but it doesn't make sense... -.-"
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we all know company will not cut salary from top performers to give to low performers... this argument is moot...

we also know cannot fire every low performer... for you to be number 1, others must be number 2 and so on... the low performer in most cases are just as hardworking, but only meeting expectations and sometimes below... it is because of them that you can rise above to number 1... you "owe" your success to them to a degree... because if everyone is number 1... nobody is...

do you know company's epf contribution is already a tiered system?... 13% for those earning below 5k, 12% for those above, and 6% if you are over 60... i'm just saying gov can adjust this to meet pmx intention... add a 20% 15% below 3k, and 11% above 20k or 30k for net zero balancing... imho this is ok... more top up money when retirement is uncertain due to low pay, and less money once career shoots off and retirement is safe... yes this is taking money from the successful, but at least i know it is going to the low pay ppl... vs the epf dividend tiering that is beyond stupid...

but how to distinguish the hardworking low pay ppl from the lazy... some ppl are just born really really stupid or unlucky... if needed to work over 60 to survive, cutting epf to 6% is also really not fair... main problem now is we are getting a lot more the lazy semi-stupid tongkat ppl... anyways...

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post Jun 15 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jun 15 2023, 10:00 AM)
with the new classification of T20, M40 and B40 coming into effect by next year do you think it will impact EPF dividend?

I would want to just gather some of your opinion on this and i am going to share mine:

Cutting fuel and electricity subsidies would lead to higher prices for these goods and services. This would likely lead to a decrease in consumption, as people would be less willing to buy these goods and services at higher prices. This would have a negative impact on businesses that produce these goods and services, as they would sell fewer units. It would also lead to a decrease in tax revenue, as businesses would pay less in taxes on the sales of these goods and services. Always have to remember the T20 pay 85% of this country taxes so when T20 tie up their saving and spend less then the dominoΒ  effect will happen and eventually impact our dividend payout!
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US China trade war escalating...

local market continue gg... 70% bandaid wont help cancer...

ringgit starting next slide...

fuel n power small impact imho... weather so hot, how to cut aircon?... laugh.gif

hope next year can get > 5%...

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