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post Apr 7 2023, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 7 2023, 11:37 AM)
The picture sounds more and more like ah long style. Just need ic not need collateral (then what is kwsp acc 2? You air ah?) And not need guarantor.. fast approval...  All ah long keyword. Lol

Best part? First 12 month profit rate first. Die die want to bite you first. 😂 Definitely not a good deal. This is not a term to help borrower lo. Skip~
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account 2 is the guaranteed collateral... epf will settle with bank first before give you remaining money... wink.gif

my friend desperate last time willing to swipe cc for 'fast loan'...
this scheme do work for these ppl... also if you have cc loan... personal n car loan... this can help immediately lower your burden... my friend now millionaire btw, got some other loan help his company avoid bankrupt...

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post Apr 7 2023, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Apr 7 2023, 11:45 AM)
that's why it boils down to education on financial literacy.
it's really a pity  sad.gif
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got some ppl live hand to mouth... tidak apa type one...

got this noodle stall in kampung area i used to frequent a lot at night... sometime he open sometime not open... i ask him nelayan ke... he said no... he said cukup makan he close shop... need money only open shop... my brain blow... hahaha...

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post Apr 7 2023, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Apr 7 2023, 02:25 PM)
why the first 12 months instalment is lower? is that common in term loan?
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no... but common for overdraft loans...

QUOTE(Rinth @ Apr 7 2023, 02:29 PM)
interest payment only...to ease your cash flows...or in another word bank want earn more interest  biggrin.gif
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win win for everyone... beggars cant be choosers...

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post Apr 7 2023, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 7 2023, 02:49 PM)
I don't mind they 'earn' more interest from me. biggrin.gif The longer they don't need me to pay back the capital the better.
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any fine prints penalty? miss payments add on to next month?...
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post Apr 7 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 7 2023, 12:57 PM)
30k means only 30k qualify

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you forgot reserved amount...

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post Apr 7 2023, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 7 2023, 05:10 PM)
How we use this RM50K is very critical. If use it to buy something which depreciate, it's a double kill. It reduces the money that we will have when we retired, and also miss out all the dividends that we might get for these 10 years (assuming MBSB interest = kwsp dividend rate).

But for those that is financially savvy, this serve as a very good opportunity to earn more than what kwsp can pay us, which is a petty 5.x% dividend rate. We can cash out in advance, and deploy this bulk of money when opportunity arises. During this 10 years, you only need to have a super good chance to buy a super good investment, you can earn back multiple times of what you paid to MBSB.
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you can blow it all on car... still better than car loan... biggrin.gif

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post Apr 7 2023, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 7 2023, 07:56 PM)
Car is the worse investment people can think about...

Value drop the moment out from showrooms 😄
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ya....

i here just comparing loan... i no control what ppl blow their 50k on... hehehe

so much talk worth it or not... the big picture is if you need it... worth every sen...

like try tell beggar plain pau not good... kaya pau better... lol

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post Apr 10 2023, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Apr 10 2023, 08:19 PM)
btw recently our PM just said will increase self contribution to 100k per year!! I guess again benefit those T20 saja...
dont know how will this benefit M40 ppl... mmh

https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/8998...-to-rm100000-pm
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epf can invest more now at lower prices... win for all...

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post Apr 10 2023, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Apr 10 2023, 02:59 PM)
The same case with Lottery winners >1/3 will ended worse when given lump sum of cash to financial illiterate person
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ngl... i will YOLO also if win the powerball... biggrin.gif

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post Apr 11 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 11 2023, 10:21 AM)
But in order to pay the $$$

EPF need to sell some of their assets??

If mass withdrawals happens.....

Indirectly would effects dividends too??
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 11 2023, 10:34 AM)
SVB sudah demo biggrin.gif
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y'all forget epf is gov ponzi... always got new funds inflow... wink.gif

since outflow is limited... it can never svb... biggrin.gif

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post Apr 11 2023, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Apr 11 2023, 10:42 AM)
Let's have a thorough dialogue...need Sifus young n wise to participate.

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politicians force them to sell because of the many 10k premature withdrawals the politicians gave... there is no cash crunch because already done deal... unless get forced again...

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post Apr 11 2023, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Apr 11 2023, 04:52 PM)
"This sum of RM50,000 can only provide a retirement income of around RM208 per month for a period of 20 years,"
is this a mistake. inflation 0% ?
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small brain ppl can only do simple straight maths...

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post Apr 11 2023, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Apr 11 2023, 05:24 PM)
With only RM 50k, doesn't matter. Inflation or no inflation, mati Kangkang jugak. Makes no difference.
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just saying the writer stupid with maths...

anyways a lot of business ppl low value account one... after graduating work a bit build capital hence got low value epf... then own business no more epf contribution

proper journalism means to cross check with poverty data for complete picture... obviously these ppl purposely write click baity half baked sensational stories

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post Apr 11 2023, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Apr 11 2023, 05:47 PM)
ask ASB & EPF cross check the IC no of the contributor and unit holders......

Interesting data sure shown up hehe....
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cross check ic is too much lah... hahaha

but epf is not the platform to help poor ppl... and all this tier shit imho from m40 that would profit the most...

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post Apr 11 2023, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 11 2023, 06:19 PM)
Where to find stats on ASB n pension?
Might get a shock all politicians n their family max their ASB.
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pension go look kwap... iirc limited data...

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post Apr 13 2023, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Apr 13 2023, 08:14 AM)
Good morning, Bro.

Yes, even at my advanced age.

It's everyone aspiration to improve from multi-millionaire to be multi-millionares. (Same as improving my Inggeris)
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come i twist it more for you...

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It's everyone aspiration to improve from multi-millionaire to have multi-millionare heirs.


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post Apr 13 2023, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Apr 13 2023, 10:48 AM)
I've found something interesting......

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Borrow RM 50k put in EPF assume interest 4.5%(same rate as you loan), end of 10 years = RM 78,349.64

Based on MBSB repayment table for 10 years, 1st 12 months repayment RM 187.50 13th onwards RM 564.00 = RM 63,162.00

Different RM 15k over the span of 10 years, same interest rates.....

is my calculation correct ah????? or somewhere wrong???

If correct means the timing differences of 1 shoot RM 50k deposit to EPF actually is worth while, even if the interest rate is same...
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overall calculation is somewhat correct...

but thinking is only one sided... tongue.gif sweat.gif

you need to compare with opportunity cost... which is deposit into epf, same amount as loan repayment...

if all rates are same you will find yourself losing about 350...

if epf floats 0.5% above loan... after 10 years you make about 1.6k+... lol... but money is money... somebody will probably do it... rclxm9.gif

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post Apr 15 2023, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(yamatotrading @ Apr 14 2023, 11:24 PM)
trying to play around with the financial calculator.
in 18 years time i will reach 60 and my EPF saving estimated to have RM3million. if no other extra source of income (no shares, no rental income), it is sufficient to live comfortably?....
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3mil in 2041 is about 1.25 mil today @ 5% inflation

you can withdraw 8.3k per month in todays money for 20yrs @ 5% div

more than enough i think smile.gif
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post Apr 15 2023, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Apr 14 2023, 11:59 PM)
Everyone has different lifestyle and spending. Start tracking your daily expenses, into monthly, then yearly. Then for few years.
Assuming 3M @ 5%p.a. = 150k = RM12.5k/mth
Factor in some inflation maybe worth half only like 6k/mth, enough for your spending ? As we get old, we can't eat rich food or drink too much already.

Some 2k/mth also more than enough for their lifestyle. Some 50k/mth also say not enough. In Malay, "ukur baju di badan sendiri"
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the biggest issue getting old is medical... can wipe out all your retirement savings

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post Apr 15 2023, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Apr 15 2023, 09:22 AM)
my dad get 60% of last drawn salary as pension. got increment and bonus also. that's the best part.
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'transferable' also to spouse and young kids after expiry... biggrin.gif


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