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post Dec 18 2024, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Dec 18 2024, 10:29 AM)
that's quite well said.
once one reaches sizeable amount of say RM1mil, the snowballing grows much faster.
if one is still an active contributor, chances are the epf amount will grow at 6 digits annually based on own contribution + dividends received. if the person does voluntary contribution, the snowballing grows even faster.

i think some members even grows their epf by 7 digits every 2-3 years or less.
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Mine will be 7 figure every 3 years or so. And the 1.3mil cap isn't really a problem, given when I hit my target retirement age, I have way more than enough to withdraw and use on monthly basis.

People here think after you hit 60, you want to withdraw the total amount and do what exactly? How much do you spend on a monthly basis? And how much 'safe' investment yields you 6% or so?


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post Dec 18 2024, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Dec 18 2024, 03:05 PM)
Then every 3 years (2031) <--- Didn't find this part in the article, or did i miss it?
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post Dec 18 2024, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Dec 18 2024, 03:49 PM)
Thanks. So based on my understanding, they only mentioned after 3 years which is 2031, they will review again (instead of confirming after 2031 will increase 100k again each year for 3 more years), it could be no changes or have changes.
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Yep, they launch the framework on how they will look at retirement savings for the rakyat. So reviewing it every 3 years to ensure the figures are reflecting reality a bit better. I don't think it will be 100k, because our inflation are generally quite stable. This round for 100k each year is because they haven't reviewed in longest time ever, so now when they did they see its actually 1.3mil, thus this slow cap for people.
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post Dec 19 2024, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 18 2024, 07:42 PM)
Wow!
5.5 million in EPF now!  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 19 2024, 04:13 AM)
EPF boss, pls share at what age you hit 1 mil, 2 mil.... 5.5 mil  drool.gif
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Maner la boss dapat 5.5mil ni.

I hit 1m in my late 30's, touching 2m now. annually my contribution ranges around 200k a year.

So rough calc, contribution + dividend 330 x 3 = ~990k.

But I intend to FIRE la.
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post Dec 19 2024, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Dec 19 2024, 11:43 AM)
Nice wei... that 330k plus self voluntary 100k = cool 430-450k increase annually ...
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Eh no no. 300k is including the estimated dividend.

My self is around 200k. Will be more if I max out my 100k which I don't.

Mine for this year.

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post Dec 19 2024, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Dec 19 2024, 04:06 PM)
I gonna quit this thread very soon
Too much flexing from members here
Me old and barely surviving
Kids young
Wife still young later remarried take my epf money how?
Better don't think too much
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一山还有一山高 bro. You are only in competition with your own goals.

There are 12 year old that become overnight millionaire by buying FARTCOIN or something. That's like even more depressing lol.
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post Dec 20 2024, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(newtunes @ Dec 20 2024, 02:57 PM)
Whether 1M or 1.3 M actually is not an issue at all.

1. There is ac3 and ac2 for withdrawal purpose which already accounted for 25% of the total EPF.
2. If the person already has 1M, means 250K is withdrawal. Siizeable enough already.
3. EPF is not a bank saving ac, which shouldn't been treated like can be withdrawn simply or likely.
4. A person with 1M EPF likely has other asset, liquid asset can rely upon if not reaching retirement, so likelyhood doesn't need to withdawal flexibility more than 25%.
5. A person with 1M EPF, most likely approacing mid 40 or later age, whereby retirement age that able to withdraw whole lum sum anytime is not far away, while 25% actually withdrawal at anytime as stated 1).

Based on number and purpose of EPF, the anxiety of unable to withdrawal whether above 1M or 1.3M is unwarranted.
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I posed that question earlier.

Let's say I retire tomorrow with the RM2mil I have. Then what? You want me to withdraw the entire RM2mil? To do what actually? My spending is roughly 3-4k a month, why would I need the RM2mil immediately? It's earning 6% on average in dividend, which gives me RM10k a month.

Chances are, my house is paid for, my car is paid for, my kids is grown up, I have health insurance or govt hospital for my medical needs. So what do I need RM2mil, or even RM1mil immediately for exactly?

If one has RM1mil and still feels the need to ask a friend how to manage their EPF, I will tell them just stick to EPF because they sure are managing his money better than his friend will ever do.
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post Dec 20 2024, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Dec 20 2024, 09:49 PM)
I know you use “” but why set a withdrawal threshold of 1m in the first place? Wouldn’t it be tantamount to being treated as a FD for people with such excess? Hence the feeling of misled.
Anyway what’s done is done. I prefer to advise him to find other means. ASM was a good option, shame it’s actually a pain to buy anything above 4 figures.
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Because EPF is meant for retirement. Your friend is wrong to treat it like an FD.

The reason there's a threshold of RM1mil, is because RM1mil was considered a safe threshold for one to retire with, so it was okay for any access to be withdrawn from it.

Now, given the cost of living went up and will continue to go up, they set it at RM1.3mil so one can retire with a safety margin.

He can still withdraw Acc3 and the education withdrawal as well, maybe do a calculation if that funds the amount needed.

ASM can't give you 6% also.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 21 2024, 06:58 AM)
That is the only scenario that i will withdraw lock, stock and barrel from EPF.
You are describing me!  laugh.gif 
The EPF is a very nice bond like cum savings account for me in retirement.
Guaranteed minimum dividend on guaranteed principal sum. I can withdraw anytime, any amount subject to conditions.
Very nice indeed.
It's can be considered a bond investment in one's retirement portfolio.

AND i have no car since i have been using company car for the last 35 years.  biggrin.gif
So i am withdrawing 200k for a new car next week.  tongue.gif
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200k not even a blip to you boss hehe.
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post Dec 22 2024, 06:17 PM

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post Jan 4 2025, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 3 2025, 07:46 PM)
Convention to be higher..(as per 2 Jan)
Ha ha ha
https://www.bharian.com.my/bisnes/lain-lain...ingga-6-peratus
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He last year also predict 6.5% but we end up 5.5%.


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post Jan 7 2025, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jan 7 2025, 09:33 AM)
Epf should give 2 tier dividend though...

55yo & below x%

Above 55yo x+2%

Logic is ppl above 55yo are more dependable to dividends to survive.
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Why would 55yo only depend on dividends to survive? That is wrong assumption.


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post Jan 7 2025, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Jan 7 2025, 11:07 AM)
If you say it don't make sense, then you can observe Singapore CPF is doing the same by giving +x% to retirement account above 65 y/o. I think that's the international standard, maybe yours is not really common sense  smile.gif
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Nope, CPF is not international standard. Both MY and SG's provident fund operates differently from international standards, if you look at Mercer's top funds.
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Jan 7 2025, 11:53 AM)
it's not about being top funds, but about engineering a harmonious society. If you think epf is just about getting the highest returns, then you're dead wrong, epf has a social mission too, otherwise it will not be called epf smile.gif
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EPF is about ensuring a good retirement for the individual. So it is about getting a sustainable high return to make sure they get to the goal ASAP.

That’s why they should not allow withdrawals like how Malaysia allows. It should just be a monthly pension upon hitting retirement.

It's not good to trust the individual to have a lump sum and be careful with it upon 55.
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Jan 7 2025, 12:35 PM)
the goal is not just for retirement. If so, how come epf allows withdrawal for housing, medical expenses and so on? CPF also have this aspect as well.

Provident fund goals are about about harmonizing the society not just for retirees, but for all members at each stage of their lives. The recent introduction of flexible account is just EPF taking one step further due to the deteriorating financial conditions of a majority of malaysians, the step that cpf did not take because their economy is still relatively healthy. That said, I may disagree with epf's account flexible because it is just treating the symptoms and not the root cause, which is malaysian's unusually low salary. Nonetheless, I understand the rationale of introducing this account as one of the many keys of harmonizing society  smile.gif
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EPFs vision and mission is to ensure a good retirement. That's it.

All this harmonising stuff is not the job of a provident fund, it's the job of the government and society.

Would you agree to give up your EPF upon reaching RM1mil and give it to those under 10k to promote harmonious society?
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Jan 7 2025, 01:34 PM)
every malaysian is entitled to epf, nobody have to give up on anything no matter your status, whether you're rich or poor. You're just trying to argue for the sake of argument and in bad faith. please take these bad faith arguments to /k instead  smile.gif
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And you are tacking on notion that EPF doesn't carry, no? I showed EPF's literal vision and mission. I don't think I see any political goals tacked to it.

EPF is to ensure the individual retires comfortably - and such it is their mandate to see the best returns possible while balancing the risk.

Given you were quick to tell me I was dead wrong, I don't have issue calling out wrong notions as well.
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The man in his 60s, who wanted to be known only as Tee, said he had used up almost all his savings from the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) totalling RM900,000 and borrowed almost another RM480,000 to invest a total of about RM1.38mil in supposed initial public offerings (IPOs) in China.
This is why government is looking to lock all our money up and just pay a pension instead of allowing lump sum withdrawal. You all cannot be trusted.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 18 2025, 08:12 PM)
Do you have the full article??

I don't have access to it...
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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Jan 20 2025, 11:12 AM)
This is related to epf dividend?

https://m.malaysiakini.com/newsletter/732130
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You all wanted account 3 withdrawal right? EPF don't print money.

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